Rank down tickets for Zemo and Kraven…

Coppin

Ace2319 said:

I think it’s fair to compare this to shangchi’s nerf. He could indefinitely stun lock on most nodes and matches. They went ahead and nerfed this ability and didn’t offer any rdt. However the change happened pretty quickly after his release (I want to say after a week or so) and they announced on the forums that this feature was not supposed to happen.
In Zemo’s case because this happened so long after his release which gave people more time to purchase him with real money and it was never announced in forums. The difference is big enough in my opinion that rank down tickets are warranted.

Shang Chi was inmediate, not after announcing rebalance notes..

Ace2319

Coppin said:

Ace2319 said:

I think it’s fair to compare this to shangchi’s nerf. He could indefinitely stun lock on most nodes and matches. They went ahead and nerfed this ability and didn’t offer any rdt. However the change happened pretty quickly after his release (I want to say after a week or so) and they announced on the forums that this feature was not supposed to happen.
In Zemo’s case because this happened so long after his release which gave people more time to purchase him with real money and it was never announced in forums. The difference is big enough in my opinion that rank down tickets are warranted.

Shang Chi was inmediate, not after announcing rebalance notes..

Yes. They changed his ability right away and announced it on the forums unlike zemo

Coppin

GroundedWisdom said:

TrongNov said:

Marvelfan30 said:

TrongNov said:

Could you guys just move on with the thread and stop quoting and answering him pls? Geez

Never

Arguing with someone who's consistently not gonna change their mind is just a noise fest and nothing but asking for drama.
Yet, again another serious topic turns into community vs GW.

No one was asking for drama. I expressed my thoughts on it. I pointed out that it's been my view for years. I acknowledged the other side. I clarified I wasn't trying to inhibit anyone from expressing their feelings on it. I even pointed out that my view isn't going to change on it, and respectfully agreed to disagree.
The rest is not on me.
No one is being dramatic or controversial. It's a different opinion. Simple as that. Not every opinion on the Forum is going to coincide with what everyone else wants.

Your thought is that RDTs should not exist, open your own post and take discuss it with Kabam...
They have created RDTs as a resource to correct their own mistakes...
The existance of RDTs is not the argument here... You are trying to shift the goal that way...
The reason why people feel like you are trolling them is cause you keep your argument based on saying "I dont believe in RDT, so I can't agree that they give them away"...Does your belief really matter when Kabam created them and use them as a resource NEEDED for some situations?
Go open your own ticket and ask Kabam to remove RDTs and stop agitating people who feel cheated...
They are not asking for a generic RDT, they are asking for 1 target champion RDT... There is no taking advantage here.
And your mention about being belittled, force to agree, your argument is straight with Kabam and not with the people feeling cheated...

GroundedWisdom

Wrong. I said I disagreed with RDTs being provided in this case, and I supported why. You're conflating that reason.

Coppin

GroundedWisdom said:

Wrong. I said I disagreed with RDTs being provided in this case, and I supported why. You're conflating that reason.

Were you affected at all to agree or disagree?..

GroundedWisdom

That's not how the Forum works.

Drago_von_Drago

GroundedWisdom said:

That's not how the Forum works.

It does seem like you prefer to argue about arguing and not the actual topic of the thread.

This thread grows fast so I’ll give the benefit of the doubt and assume you missed the questions asked a little bit ago to help us understand your position.

Coppin

GroundedWisdom said:

That's not how the Forum works.

How does it work explain it to me as if I was a 5 year old?
So easy and ignorant to try to argue with people who were affected based on "Oh I don't believe RDTs should be given"... People are feeling cheated.. you could just stay on the bleachers; but your choice is to poke em over something that didn't affect you at all

GroundedWisdom

Just let it go. Jesus. The only people persisting in this are the ones who are preaching respect. I said I sympathized with the OP's situation pages ago. If you can't accept that someone has a different view, you have no business on the Forum.

Coppin

GroundedWisdom said:

Just let it go. Jesus. The only people persisting in this are the ones who are preaching respect. I said I sympathized with the OP's situation pages ago. If you can't accept that someone has a different view, you have no business on the Forum.

You also said you were done with this.. yet here you are still pissing off the same AFFECTED people making valid arguments.
And you think the OP.wants your sympathy? You think your sympathy is even worth the 99.99 he spent on Zemo?

GroundedWisdom

I'm not taking criticism from someone trying to provoke a reaction out of me. You have a nice day.

Coppin

GroundedWisdom said:

I'm not taking criticism from someone trying to provoke a reaction out of me. You have a nice day.

You think I want to provoke you? ... Who do you think you are really? I just want you to be respectful to those who lost money, and mats on this situations, as opposed to you who didn't lose anything...

BeastDad

GroundedWisdom said:

The only people persisting in this are the ones who are preaching respect.

Business ethics are a form of respect.

I’m preaching too, because there is right and wrong and what was done is wrong. And so are you by the way.

It happens to the best of us.

[Deleted User]

GroundedWisdom said:

I'm not taking criticism from someone trying to provoke a reaction out of me. You have a nice day.

We've known your opinion on this situation for at least 10 pages now. This thread is not here to convince you of anything or change your mind, nor is it to change anyone elses. It's here to educate those affected on how the usual system works, and Kabam's failures in this particular occasion, as well as giving Miike a place to see how much of an impact this has on the playerbase as a whole and where they can better themselves in the future. We all know RDT's aren't going anywhere. They are Kabam's only way to give comfortability to spenders that they will be compensated for failures on Kabam's end. If it didn't work this way, people would instead be asking for refunds or quitting entirely. If RDT's were a net negative for players or Kabam, we wouldn't have them.

GroundedWisdom

If you're tired of my opinion, let it be my opinion and stop bringing it up over and over. I'm not the one going back to it.

Coppin

GroundedWisdom said:

If you're tired of my opinion, let it be my opinion and stop bringing it up over and over. I'm not the one going back to it.

I repeat you were the one who said "I am done" and still poking the people who are affected...
Its funny that you would say I am here to provoke a reaction from you.. when you are provoking reactions from them.

mattyben27

Ace2319 said:

I think it’s fair to compare this to shangchi’s nerf. He could indefinitely stun lock on most nodes and matches. They went ahead and nerfed this ability and didn’t offer any rdt. However the change happened pretty quickly after his release (I want to say after a week or so) and they announced on the forums that this feature was not supposed to happen.
In Zemo’s case because this happened so long after his release which gave people more time to purchase him with real money and it was never announced in forums. The difference is big enough in my opinion that rank down tickets are warranted.

Perfect example how kabam messed up the current situation. I'm waiting for @GroundedWisdom to reply to this now, but it's such a good example that he'll probably skip this

[Deleted User]

GroundedWisdom said:

If you're tired of my opinion, let it be my opinion and stop bringing it up over and over. I'm not the one going back to it.

I'm definitely not tired of it, I think it's an interesting perspective. But reading through these past few pages hasn't made me any wiser about anybody's perspective on the subject. I'd much rather Miike come back to something he can give the team as criticism towards what they need to do in the aftermath of all this.

CaptainGame

Coppin said:

GroundedWisdom said:

If you're tired of my opinion, let it be my opinion and stop bringing it up over and over. I'm not the one going back to it.

I repeat you were the one who said "I am done" and still poking the people who are affected...
Its funny that you would say I am here to provoke a reaction from you.. when you are provoking reactions from them.

He's legit been doing this for years in these forums. He gets off on mocking those who feel upset when they feel cheated on something they spent money on. It's best to just ignore him.

GroundedWisdom

Coppin said:

GroundedWisdom said:

If you're tired of my opinion, let it be my opinion and stop bringing it up over and over. I'm not the one going back to it.

I repeat you were the one who said "I am done" and still poking the people who are affected...
Its funny that you would say I am here to provoke a reaction from you.. when you are provoking reactions from them.

The only one poking here is you, and you need to stop it.

Coppin

GroundedWisdom said:

Coppin said:

GroundedWisdom said:

If you're tired of my opinion, let it be my opinion and stop bringing it up over and over. I'm not the one going back to it.

I repeat you were the one who said "I am done" and still poking the people who are affected...
Its funny that you would say I am here to provoke a reaction from you.. when you are provoking reactions from them.

The only one poking here is you, and you need to stop it.

I thought you were done

Deacon

just poppin' in to say i'll take those Kraven tickets

BloodyCruelty

@SecondSkriller I dont get the point of your video proof or whatever it is. Everybody with a r5 knows how the Zemo lock works😅 and it doesnt require skill. I also think that kabam should have comunicated this and they should give us RDTs for both champions.

But: Zemo ist still a worthy r5 Champion. @Coppin And no iam not trying to annoy people lol I have that dude at r5

BloodyCruelty

Most high level players ranked Zemo because of Prestige/ AW Diversity and his mechanics BUT NOT JUST because of his indefinite Lock. It was quite obvious that such a cheese wont stay long in the game for those who arent noobs hahahahah.

But just like i said: Kabam Screwed, I was annoyedt too and they should give us RTDs

Glads

Pikolu said:

It's been on the trello board for awhile that zemos root wasn't supposed to stop the enemy from using their sp3 and the devs also informed me that it was supposed to be on the patch notes that they fixed it.

I guess the Cassie taunt on the patch notes (wasn't actually changed) might have taken the spot of Zemos root being fixed

Everyone speaks about all these forums, but for simplicity sake all items should be communicated through this forum.
I know I am a bit weird not having social media so I cannot do Facebook or Twitter for this info, this trello board first I have heard about it today. We have aunti website foe specific info on champs again. One can only wonder all this scatter to different parts of the Web is so folks can't find them.
Th8s forum url could and should act as a one stop shop.
Apologies pikolu for taking you, it's your the second person I have ever heard mention this board

Coppin

BloodyCruelty said:

Most high level players ranked Zemo because of Prestige/ AW Diversity and his mechanics BUT NOT JUST because of his indefinite Lock. It was quite obvious that such a cheese wont stay long in the game for those who arent noobs hahahahah.

But just like i said: Kabam Screwed, I was annoyedt too and they should give us RTDs

If it was that obvious it should have been communicated in the forums.. before the sales...

ZeroFrostNinja

BloodyCruelty said:

Most high level players ranked Zemo because of Prestige/ AW Diversity and his mechanics BUT NOT JUST because of his indefinite Lock. It was quite obvious that such a cheese wont stay long in the game for those who arent noobs hahahahah.

But just like i said: Kabam Screwed, I was annoyedt too and they should give us RTDs

How is the root lock mechanic any different from the Doom cycle? The Doom cycle essentially allows people to push champions to an SP3 and but never let them throw it, it has been in the game for ages and it is performing as intended, why is it so obvious that the root lock is a bug when we have the Doom cycle performing as intended in the game since forever?

Calling people who ranked up Zemo for his root lock as noobs who don't know any better is disingenuous. If Kabam wanted they could counter Zemo's root lock in a variety of ways just like how they have countered the Doom cycle over the years, but they chose to nerf his fundamental rotation altogether. This is the equivalent of Kabam reducing the amount of power Doom steals on his basic attacks when his aura is up. Sure he may still have functioned and be useful in certain matches but he would be nowhere close to the top mystic in the game without being able to lock opponents in the Doom cycle. Zemo doesn't even hit as hard as Doom so assuming his root lock is intended and taking him up just for that purpose doesn't seem completely nuts to me.

GroundedWisdom

It's different because you can literally freeze them in place and never let them attack. That jeopardizes any future content, in a way that is much similar to 12.0. If you can't make content that challenges anyone because a Champ exists that can cheese it indefinitely, that's dangerous.

SecondSkriller

GroundedWisdom said:

It's different because you can literally freeze them in place and never let them attack. That jeopardizes any future content, in a way that is much similar to 12.0. If you can't make content that challenges anyone because a Champ exists that can cheese it indefinitely, that's dangerous.

That’s just wrong, unless your Zemo is rank 5 you cannot do it indefinetly, rank 4 Zemo could do 300k hp max and don’t you dare say that the lock rotation was EASY. It wasn’t. It was stressful and the smallest mistake leads to getting hit in the face by an sp3. I practiced hours to get it down fairly consistently and it still resulted in failure many times because the AI would block the first hit instead of heavy attacking.

STOP TALKING ABOUT CHAMPIONS YOU HAVEN’T PLAYED AND ROTATIONS YOU HAVEN’T USED!!!

GroundedWisdom

SecondSkriller said:

GroundedWisdom said:

It's different because you can literally freeze them in place and never let them attack. That jeopardizes any future content, in a way that is much similar to 12.0. If you can't make content that challenges anyone because a Champ exists that can cheese it indefinitely, that's dangerous.

That’s just wrong, unless you Zemo is rank 5 you cannot do it indefinetly, rank 4 Zemo could do 300k hp max and don’t you dare say that the lock rotation was EASY. It wasn’t. It was stressful and the smallest mistake leads to getting hit in the face by an sp3. I practiced hours to get it down fairly consistently and it still resulted in failure many times because the AI would block the first hit instead of heavy attacking.
STOP TALKING ABOUT CHAMPIONS YOU HAVEN’T PLAYED AND ROTATIONS YOU HAVEN’T USED!!!

How long do you think before people catch on and duplicate it? Do you think you're the only one capable of it? Come on, you're smart. This community catches on quickly, and R5s are becoming more common. The last thing you want is a Champ that can plow through any new content, especially longer content and harder content. I appreciate that you feel upset by this, but I think you're minimizing the issue.