Archangel effected by glancing offensive ability accuracy reduction

Ultragamer

I was using archangel and there was a node that cause my attacks to get glanced and archangel wasn’t applying any bleeds at all even though he should’ve his ability accuracy stated that it can’t be reduced so why is glancing reducing it

AverageDesi

Bug

Maat1985

also affected by disorientate.

i think it sucks.

but the logic is this

AA abilities say his aa cannot be reduced by the opponents abilities.
so the argument for disorientate and antmans debuff is that it is the debuff causing it not the champ.
which is BS as the champ causes the debuff.
unless it is a disorientate node.

and for sersi with glancing from her transmutation is that the buff causes it not sersi,
which is also BS as it is sersi buff created by sersi not a node.

its a huge part of AAs kit that needs to be adressed

AverageDesi

Maat1985 said:

also affected by disorientate.

i think it sucks.

but the logic is this

AA abilities say his aa cannot be reduced by the opponents abilities.
so the argument for disorientate and antmans debuff is that it is the debuff causing it not the champ.
which is BS as the champ causes the debuff.
unless it is a disorientate node.

and for sersi with glancing from her transmutation is that the buff causes it not sersi,
which is also BS as it is sersi buff created by sersi not a node.

its a huge part of AAs kit that needs to be adressed

It's not logic. Just lack of update in his code

Maat1985

code is very logical. code only works logical.
there is no assumption.
it does literally exactly what it is told to do.
thereby explaining why something happens is explaining the logic as to what it happens.

regardless of if it makes sense as to if it should work like that or not.
it is the explanation therefore logic of what happens.

Maratox

Maat1985 said:

also affected by disorientate.

i think it sucks.

but the logic is this

AA abilities say his aa cannot be reduced by the opponents abilities.
so the argument for disorientate and antmans debuff is that it is the debuff causing it not the champ.
which is BS as the champ causes the debuff.
unless it is a disorientate node.

and for sersi with glancing from her transmutation is that the buff causes it not sersi,
which is also BS as it is sersi buff created by sersi not a node.

its a huge part of AAs kit that needs to be adressed

This argument makes no sense. Anything that is stated in a defender’s kit or any node on them is considered one of their abilities. Archangel’s kit stating it that way is simply outdated language that Kabam hasn’t changed.

It’s 100% a bug that archangel is affected by glancing. But glancing seems to be an incredibly bugged mechanic that overrules every mechanic in the game even when it shouldn’t.

Maat1985

Maratox said:

Maat1985 said:

also affected by disorientate.

i think it sucks.

but the logic is this

AA abilities say his aa cannot be reduced by the opponents abilities.
so the argument for disorientate and antmans debuff is that it is the debuff causing it not the champ.
which is BS as the champ causes the debuff.
unless it is a disorientate node.

and for sersi with glancing from her transmutation is that the buff causes it not sersi,
which is also BS as it is sersi buff created by sersi not a node.

its a huge part of AAs kit that needs to be adressed

This argument makes no sense. Anything that is stated in a defender’s kit or any node on them is considered one of their abilities. Archangel’s kit stating it that way is simply outdated language that Kabam hasn’t changed.

It’s 100% a bug that archangel is affected by glancing. But glancing seems to be an incredibly bugged mechanic that overrules every mechanic in the game even when it shouldn’t.

well no its not that it makes no sense.
regardless of what you think.
and trust me when i say i think its stupid.
the fact is his ability states "from the defenders ability" so that means that any node or ability outside of the defender will affect it.
it may not be correct. i am, clearly just spitballing here.
just trying to state why it MAY be working as it is.
trying to make sense of why
if it is from a node it is not the defenders abilities rather a node interaction.

yes i feel sersi glancing affecting him is a bug.
yes i believe antman debuff affecting him is a bug.

but disorientate via nodes and glancing via nodes is not a bug.
it is stated as such.

you can attempt to interpret the wording how you wish. but the way his ability is worded clearly states that abilities outside of the defenders ability does not affect him. unlike other champs where it flat says "ability accuracy can not be reduced"
go and take OML into these situations and see what happens to him.
if his ability accuracy suffers then yes it is a bg.
if it does not then AA is unfortunately working as intended

i do believe AA is broken don't get me wrong. i have had his abilites fail on me and thought "that is wrong, that shouldn't happen"

Maat1985

just took OML v a sersi about 30 times.
when she has her transmute up yes he suffers the reduced damage
but in my testing his abilities never failed.
he always gained his self bleeds, he always gained his fury on his specials, his sp1 unblockable broke her block every time i fired it into her. there are some times the unblockable text failed to appear, or dissapeared immediately but it still broke the block regardless of missing text

so from my testing so far i have no reason to believe glancing is reducing ability accuracy it should not.
more that the way the game is treating the glancing as being a defender ability v a non defender ability

obviously this is far from conclusive testing it is merely only a small amount and does not prove anything.

but it leads me to believe that sersi glancing is not being treated as her ability rather as a node ability.
as it is seeming to not affect OML yet is seeming to affect AA.

only further and more extensive testing like this will confirm or debunk this speculation

AverageDesi

It's that archangel is bugged. He is immune to concussion debuffs from nodes. He's immune to AAR from that node last BG meta which reduced aar per buff. He's just inconsistent

Maat1985

he clearly is affected by AAR from nodes (atleast some) thats for sure.
and although i do believe he shouldn't,
his abilities allow for it.

what it shouldn't allow for tho is sersi and antman to reduce his ability accuracy.

certainly does need to be looked at