Please rework Kindred for offense.

MandieLou827

As an owner of a 7* Kindred, this guy is absolutely horrible to use offensively. He would be so much fun if he was more useable for questing,war, or AQ. I don’t know if these types of posts are allowed, but offensively this guy needs some work.
Otherwise, his design is great. It really sucks when the coolest looking champs and most fun champs aren’t very good or useable.

Hoitado

Some Champions are meant to be used Defensively more than Offensively.

Get with the program.

MandieLou827

Hoitado said:

Some Champions are meant to be used Defensively more than Offensively.

Get with the program.

Obviously, but this rebalancing program was created for a reason. Champs should be more balanced, yes he is meant more as a defender, but none are intended to be completely useless on offense either.
I think you need to get with the program sir.
You can take that comment back when he is rebalanced here in a few months.

BitterSteel

MandieLou827 said:

Hoitado said:

Some Champions are meant to be used Defensively more than Offensively.

Get with the program.

Obviously, but this rebalancing program was created for a reason.

I agree, but that reason is to help champs reach their targets. Kindred is targeted at being a tough defender, with some offensive use in specifically buff match ups. Outside of that, he’s targeted at being sustainable through healing, but not necessarily putting out incredible damage.

I’m not saying he’s definitely hit those targets and won’t be rebalanced, but just bear that in mind when playing him. He’s not supposed to be incredible on attack. I also think completely useless is a bit of an exaggeration, he has decent numbers for buff matchups.

MandieLou827

BitterSteel said:

MandieLou827 said:

Hoitado said:

Some Champions are meant to be used Defensively more than Offensively.

Get with the program.

Obviously, but this rebalancing program was created for a reason.

I agree, but that reason is to help champs reach their targets. Kindred is targeted at being a tough defender, with some offensive use in specifically buff match ups. Outside of that, he’s targeted at being sustainable through healing, but not necessarily putting out incredible damage.

I’m not saying he’s definitely hit those targets and won’t be rebalanced, but just bear that in mind when playing him. He’s not supposed to be incredible on attack. I also think completely useless is a bit of an exaggeration, he has decent numbers for buff matchups.

I completely agree with you, I’m not seeing any decent numbers at all though, granted he’s unawakened but to only have decent numbers at low health is just terrible when awakened. Especially when he’s so sustainable, as of now where he stands he is great as a defender. Which is what they were aiming for but no champ these days that are being buffed or released is intended to have this low of damage output. I’m sure this was unintended. Korg has a higher damage output.

SirGamesBond

I hope Gladiator be best defender ever created,
And iron parrot level attacker.
See how it goes then!

Atleast Make kindrid mid.

MandieLou827

SirGamesBond said:

I hope Gladiator be best defender ever created,
And iron parrot level attacker.
See how it goes then!

Atleast Make kindrid mid.

Seriously. Not asking for him to be OP, but I really like the guy I’d really love to be able to get some use out of him where I get to ACTUALLY play with him rather than put him on defense.
Come on Kabam..

BitterSteel

MandieLou827 said:

BitterSteel said:

MandieLou827 said:

Hoitado said:

Some Champions are meant to be used Defensively more than Offensively.

Get with the program.

Obviously, but this rebalancing program was created for a reason.

I agree, but that reason is to help champs reach their targets. Kindred is targeted at being a tough defender, with some offensive use in specifically buff match ups. Outside of that, he’s targeted at being sustainable through healing, but not necessarily putting out incredible damage.

I’m not saying he’s definitely hit those targets and won’t be rebalanced, but just bear that in mind when playing him. He’s not supposed to be incredible on attack. I also think completely useless is a bit of an exaggeration, he has decent numbers for buff matchups.

I completely agree with you, I’m not seeing any decent numbers at all though, granted he’s unawakened but to only have decent numbers at low health is just terrible when awakened. Especially when he’s so sustainable, as of now where he stands he is great as a defender. Which is what they were aiming for but no champ these days that are being buffed or released is intended to have this low of damage output. I’m sure this was unintended. Korg has a higher damage output.

It makes sense, and maybe you’re here with the early take that ends up being correct. But I do think it’s a bit early to decide, I’m personally going to test him out on attack in buff matchups and see how he performs in BGs for example.

And these decisions are based on a lot of data, if you’re correct in your take then the data will reflect it!

MandieLou827

BitterSteel said:

MandieLou827 said:

BitterSteel said:

MandieLou827 said:

Hoitado said:

Some Champions are meant to be used Defensively more than Offensively.

Get with the program.

Obviously, but this rebalancing program was created for a reason.

I agree, but that reason is to help champs reach their targets. Kindred is targeted at being a tough defender, with some offensive use in specifically buff match ups. Outside of that, he’s targeted at being sustainable through healing, but not necessarily putting out incredible damage.

I’m not saying he’s definitely hit those targets and won’t be rebalanced, but just bear that in mind when playing him. He’s not supposed to be incredible on attack. I also think completely useless is a bit of an exaggeration, he has decent numbers for buff matchups.

I completely agree with you, I’m not seeing any decent numbers at all though, granted he’s unawakened but to only have decent numbers at low health is just terrible when awakened. Especially when he’s so sustainable, as of now where he stands he is great as a defender. Which is what they were aiming for but no champ these days that are being buffed or released is intended to have this low of damage output. I’m sure this was unintended. Korg has a higher damage output.

It makes sense, and maybe you’re here with the early take that ends up being correct. But I do think it’s a bit early to decide, I’m personally going to test him out on attack in buff matchups and see how he performs in BGs for example.

And these decisions are based on a lot of data, if you’re correct in your take then the data will reflect it!

I appreciate you hearing me out, I’m sure you will come to the same conclusion I have as I’ve used him everywhere that I possibly can right now. I always over use newer champs when I get them.

AMS94

Problem with a 7* Kindred is that he won't even be as effective on defense either
He is a good defender when unawakened, but needs those sigs for maximum defensive potential

ReignkingTW

He looks pathetic on offense.

Pikolu

Having played with a r5 groot before, Kindred can be much worse of an attacker. Against champions with buffs he does very well, he is slightly slower than most great offensive characters, but the fact he shuts champions like Hulkling down is huge. You can always use extra hulkling counters in BGs.

SecondSkriller

Pikolu said:

Having played with a r5 groot before, Kindred can be much worse of an attacker. Against champions with buffs he does very well, he is slightly slower than most great offensive characters, but the fact he shuts champions like Hulkling down is huge. You can always use extra hulkling counters in BGs.

That’s a horrible argument mr guardian, the actual thing to say about Kindred having played him a lot as a max sig 6 star is that he needs to be played at low health. Suicides are not needed, he doesn’t get any benefit from them and if you play him at low hp his damage is very very good for such a defensive powerhouse. Also, don’t use sp2s… they useless, focus on throwing sp1s and don’t make the mistake of activating dread aura while nightmare outbreak is active, you’re wasting valuable power that can be used to pause the outbreak.

Also, the people that haven’t played him really shouldn’t have opinions on him, he’s very much not the kind of champion to shine on bg offense, he shines in questing scenarios, as long as you use him at low health as intended, letting yourself get hit to counter the fantastic regen he has and keep the health low.

Pikolu

SecondSkriller said:

Pikolu said:

Having played with a r5 groot before, Kindred can be much worse of an attacker. Against champions with buffs he does very well, he is slightly slower than most great offensive characters, but the fact he shuts champions like Hulkling down is huge. You can always use extra hulkling counters in BGs.

That’s a horrible argument mr guardian, the actual thing to say about Kindred having played him a lot as a max sig 6 star is that he needs to be played at low health. Suicides are not needed, he doesn’t get any benefit from them and if you play him at low hp his damage is very very good for such a defensive powerhouse. Also, don’t use sp2s… they useless, focus on throwing sp1s and don’t make the mistake of activating dread aura while nightmare outbreak is active, you’re wasting valuable power that can be used to pause the outbreak.

Also, the people that haven’t played him really shouldn’t have opinions on him, he’s very much not the kind of champion to shine on bg offense, he shines in questing scenarios, as long as you use him at low health as intended, letting yourself get hit to counter the fantastic regen he has and keep the health low.

I wouldn't lie to you and say Kindred is good in buff matchups if I didn't use him. My man's has very solid damage, especially if you can keep the nightmare state up. I also posted a video about using him against EoP dormammu who he is great for because of the buffs dormammu gets from throwing specials.

https://youtu.be/PQVQnTJzkRs

pseudosane

He is aimed to be a painful defender, like korg. His offensive utility, is going to be... like korg.

MandieLou827

pseudosane said:

He is aimed to be a painful defender, like korg. His offensive utility, is going to be... like korg.

Korg has a much higher damage output than Kindred, I understand where y’all are coming from though

WinterFields

MandieLou827 said:

pseudosane said:

He is aimed to be a painful defender, like korg. His offensive utility, is going to be... like korg.

Korg has a much higher damage output than Kindred, I understand where y’all are coming from though

But does Kindred have significantly more utility than Korg to make up for it? I don't have a Kindred to test out, but I do have Korg and have never had a situation where I would prefer using Korg on offense over someone else

SecondSkriller

MandieLou827 said:

pseudosane said:

He is aimed to be a painful defender, like korg. His offensive utility, is going to be... like korg.

Korg has a much higher damage output than Kindred, I understand where y’all are coming from though

That’s straight up wrong.

MandieLou827

SecondSkriller said:

MandieLou827 said:

pseudosane said:

He is aimed to be a painful defender, like korg. His offensive utility, is going to be... like korg.

Korg has a much higher damage output than Kindred, I understand where y’all are coming from though

That’s straight up wrong.

No, it is not. My rank 3 korg does more damage than my 7* Kindred. It’s been tested and can make videos if you’d like.

SecondSkriller

MandieLou827 said:

SecondSkriller said:

MandieLou827 said:

pseudosane said:

He is aimed to be a painful defender, like korg. His offensive utility, is going to be... like korg.

Korg has a much higher damage output than Kindred, I understand where y’all are coming from though

That’s straight up wrong.

No, it is not. My rank 3 korg does more damage than my 7* Kindred. It’s been tested and can make videos if you’d like.

Make a vid, I also have Kindred at r3, so we can compare directly. Right now mine’s locked in AQm but I think I have a run saved in my gallery.

SecondSkriller

Here @MandieLou827
Rank 3 sig 66 here, no synergies, no recoil.

Against WS it’s very hard to keep the hp low, so he ended up dealing 134 hits lol, more than I did

SecondSkriller

Here’s Cap Marvel where I could immediatly start with low hp

Does this look like low damage to you in a matchup with zero buffs?

MandieLou827

SecondSkriller said:

Here’s Cap Marvel where I could immediatly start with low hp

Does this look like low damage to you in a matchup with zero buffs?

It looks very weak, considering you have to be low health to even start ramping up mediocre damage, and considering how sustainable he is, yeah. That is very weak.

MandieLou827

SecondSkriller said:

Here @MandieLou827
Rank 3 sig 66 here, no synergies, no recoil.

Against WS it’s very hard to keep the hp low, so he ended up dealing 134 hits lol, more than I did

3 minutes? And that’s with him having to be low on health to even do that. Thanks for proving my point…his “utility” isn’t worth that nobody is going to need a kindred for questing when there are many better options out there. He’s practically useless for questing and very underwhelming. The fact that you’re satisfied by that just shows you’re simping over Kindred. I could do way better then that with a korg.

MandieLou827

SecondSkriller said:

Here @MandieLou827
Rank 3 sig 66 here, no synergies, no recoil.

Against WS it’s very hard to keep the hp low, so he ended up dealing 134 hits lol, more than I did

You literally took 100+ hits just to get him down that low on health and to fire more specials to try and get that hit count lowered. Yes that looks TRASHHHHH. 🤣

Harryatomix

I want to see all these people who rank up kindred regret when they Nerf his defense to increase his offense haha.

Elthan

330 hits at 6R1 with full synergy against the Winter Soldier. Not planning to rank up Kindred. Very disappointed by this new addition to the contest.

At least, Immortal Hulk has a safety net for playing at low health. With revives being scarce now, Kindred doesn't look fun to play. There are much better options out there, offensively AND defensively.