Developers in BG?

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  • RenaxqqRenaxqq Member Posts: 1,639 ★★★★
    Very good that devs are playing and enjoying their own game! Thumbs up for that!
  • 11993451199345 Member Posts: 557 ★★★
    nah mentioned in Global the other day that he works on balancing...genuinely nice in chat, and respectfully answered all questions...

    As for BGs, maybe he's just doing his job...or making sure things are working as intended...or he's just enjoying some off-hours gameplay??

    I personally think it's nice to see devs in-game...
  • klobberintymeklobberintyme Member Posts: 1,590 ★★★★
    Fun fact: former employees still have active accounts. Well, accounts I can look at that aren't in an alli, anyway.
  • ThomildoThomildo Member Posts: 510 ★★★
    I remember Miike once told us he played, and people never knew it was him. I think this is a cool thing!
    Is it like the legends title that can’t be turned off?
  • RiderofHellRiderofHell Member Posts: 4,659 ★★★★★
    TSan said:

    Guys from Kabam, how can you comment on this? If this is really a developer, then what is he doing in the Fields? I mean, why should regular players compete with accounts that potentially have all the characters and unlimited resources? In all the games I've played before, the developer accounts were technical and never went to war against the players. If you write that he developed an account like an ordinary player, then, guys, what guarantees are there that this is so? Or that one day you just won't upload to it the characters that it lacks?



    You made Virbranium 2? I'm struggling in silver for a week now. 🤣
  • Caleb1705Caleb1705 Member Posts: 259 ★★★
    I'd much rather have devs playing their own game in real time as opposed to blindly trying to create updates and patches
  • gohard123gohard123 Member Posts: 1,015 ★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Kabam Jax said:

    Hey Summoners,

    I'd like to elaborate a little here, but first let me thank you! The vast majority of you have approached and discussed this topic very level headed. I feel this topic could have spiraled into a lot of yelling pretty quickly, and I was pleasantly surprised this morning.

    Firstly, Kabam employees have always played MCOC and we have always been very clear about that. The comments of "do they even play their own game?!" have always made us chuckle. Some of us (definitely not me) are actually very good! But every one of those accounts is earned. We do not have "access to every champ" and we cannot pull any strings to earn wins, grant resources, etc. We play the same way you play.

    This in-game tag exists to provide transparency, plain and simple. You've played against the dev team before, almost certainly. But now you can get really excited when you destroy a Kabam developer in Battlegrounds! I'm kind of excited to hear some of the stories that come from this!


    Never thought I'd see Don Robbie on Kabam Forums
  • Angryneeson52Angryneeson52 Member Posts: 449 ★★★
    I’m happy this is now a title so we can actually see that devs do play this game.

    While I was always a firm believer in that they don’t. Based on how poorly the game runs sometimes and the amount of bugs, issues, ect on a monthly basis. Now I am a believer.

    Hopefully one day Kabam will be able to produce like supercell. They get it right.
  • HungaryHippoHungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,058 ★★★★
    Kabam Jax said:

    Hey Summoners,

    I'd like to elaborate a little here, but first let me thank you! The vast majority of you have approached and discussed this topic very level headed. I feel this topic could have spiraled into a lot of yelling pretty quickly, and I was pleasantly surprised this morning.

    Firstly, Kabam employees have always played MCOC and we have always been very clear about that. The comments of "do they even play their own game?!" have always made us chuckle. Some of us (definitely not me) are actually very good! But every one of those accounts is earned. We do not have "access to every champ" and we cannot pull any strings to earn wins, grant resources, etc. We play the same way you play.

    This in-game tag exists to provide transparency, plain and simple. You've played against the dev team before, almost certainly. But now you can get really excited when you destroy a Kabam developer in Battlegrounds! I'm kind of excited to hear some of the stories that come from this!

    I think you’re slightly off base here. People, myself included, have questioned whether devs played the game at high enough levels to feel what the players do. For example, had any devs finished Carina’s V1 and 2 challenges?

    I’m glad Kabam is hiring or contracting with people like karateman, DLL and nah and I believe their contributions will benefit the game in massive ways. However saying that it has “always been the case” is a bit of a slight of hand unless we start to see other devs in GC.

    Overall it’s great news.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,677 Guardian

    Kabam Jax said:

    Hey Summoners,

    I'd like to elaborate a little here, but first let me thank you! The vast majority of you have approached and discussed this topic very level headed. I feel this topic could have spiraled into a lot of yelling pretty quickly, and I was pleasantly surprised this morning.

    Firstly, Kabam employees have always played MCOC and we have always been very clear about that. The comments of "do they even play their own game?!" have always made us chuckle. Some of us (definitely not me) are actually very good! But every one of those accounts is earned. We do not have "access to every champ" and we cannot pull any strings to earn wins, grant resources, etc. We play the same way you play.

    This in-game tag exists to provide transparency, plain and simple. You've played against the dev team before, almost certainly. But now you can get really excited when you destroy a Kabam developer in Battlegrounds! I'm kind of excited to hear some of the stories that come from this!

    I think you’re slightly off base here. People, myself included, have questioned whether devs played the game at high enough levels to feel what the players do. For example, had any devs finished Carina’s V1 and 2 challenges?

    I’m glad Kabam is hiring or contracting with people like karateman, DLL and nah and I believe their contributions will benefit the game in massive ways. However saying that it has “always been the case” is a bit of a slight of hand unless we start to see other devs in GC.

    Overall it’s great news.
    I don't understand your "slight of hand" complaint here. Kabam has made many statements in the past about their developers playing the game at all levels of play in response to players questioning this. This goes back at least to 2017 when AW was getting its first major revamp (i.e. when defender diversity was introduced) and Kabam was questioned on whether any of the developers even participated in high tier war. Jax is summarizing a long history he wasn't here for the entirety of, but those of us that were can attest that players have questioned both whether Kabam developers played the game at high levels and even at times at all, and in both cases Kabam has answered in the affirmative. This is not a recent development.

    In fact I recall such discussions happening even before that, for example when 12.0 rolled out, but those were generalized complaints. "Top tier play" was a bit ambiguous back then. It was war revamp where I recall this first being challenged very specifically, where the notion of what "top tier play" was very specific and obvious.
  • startropicsstartropics Member Posts: 908 ★★★★
    i wish you could search by tag in game and find dev accounts. pretty cool to see who's playing and at what tier. any chance you could release a list?
  • MauledMauled Member, Guardian Posts: 3,957 Guardian
    So let me get this right, we spend 7 years complaining that the devs don’t know the game because they don’t play it, but when you discover that they do, that’s no good either.

    You can’t have it both ways.

    DLL is also a dev, content creator and an officer in SSx-1 and is a really sound guy. You gonna make him quit because he’s now working in Kabam but has a regular account?
  • SuelGamesSuelGames Member Posts: 947 ★★★
    I ll be honest here, i thought this was shady af, agreed with the post maker.

    However, after reading some of the comments, i started to change my mind, but not entirely, not until i saw Jax post, he made me check things from a diferent perspective.
  • ReignkingTWReignkingTW Member Posts: 2,774 ★★★★★
    @HungaryHippo while I appreciate your challenging the Kabam-does-no-wrong people, you're now coming off as someone that just disagrees to disagree
  • danielmathdanielmath Member Posts: 4,103 ★★★★★
    I think it's good this way, that people can see they play. YEARS ago, there was a kabam developer that was possibly going to join 4loki, and it was super hush hush, where if he had joined the leadership was not allowed to let the people in the alliance know who he was. I thought it was silly, but that shows you that you might have even had a kabam developer in your own alliance, and just never knew.
  • HungaryHippoHungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,058 ★★★★

    @HungaryHippo while I appreciate your challenging the Kabam-does-no-wrong people, you're now coming off as someone that just disagrees to disagree

    I disagree
  • ReignkingTWReignkingTW Member Posts: 2,774 ★★★★★

    @HungaryHippo while I appreciate your challenging the Kabam-does-no-wrong people, you're now coming off as someone that just disagrees to disagree

    I disagree
    Agreed
  • HungaryHippoHungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,058 ★★★★

    @HungaryHippo while I appreciate your challenging the Kabam-does-no-wrong people, you're now coming off as someone that just disagrees to disagree

    I disagree
    Agreed
    I suppose I should ask since you seemed a bit sincere. You scoured my post history and didn’t see any time I sided with Kabam?

    Not even the time I agreed with GW on the War compensation issue?
  • HungaryHippoHungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,058 ★★★★
    edited August 2023
    DNA3000 said:

    Kabam Jax said:

    Hey Summoners,

    I'd like to elaborate a little here, but first let me thank you! The vast majority of you have approached and discussed this topic very level headed. I feel this topic could have spiraled into a lot of yelling pretty quickly, and I was pleasantly surprised this morning.

    Firstly, Kabam employees have always played MCOC and we have always been very clear about that. The comments of "do they even play their own game?!" have always made us chuckle. Some of us (definitely not me) are actually very good! But every one of those accounts is earned. We do not have "access to every champ" and we cannot pull any strings to earn wins, grant resources, etc. We play the same way you play.

    This in-game tag exists to provide transparency, plain and simple. You've played against the dev team before, almost certainly. But now you can get really excited when you destroy a Kabam developer in Battlegrounds! I'm kind of excited to hear some of the stories that come from this!

    I think you’re slightly off base here. People, myself included, have questioned whether devs played the game at high enough levels to feel what the players do. For example, had any devs finished Carina’s V1 and 2 challenges?

    I’m glad Kabam is hiring or contracting with people like karateman, DLL and nah and I believe their contributions will benefit the game in massive ways. However saying that it has “always been the case” is a bit of a slight of hand unless we start to see other devs in GC.

    Overall it’s great news.
    I don't understand your "slight of hand" complaint here. Kabam has made many statements in the past about their developers playing the game at all levels of play in response to players questioning this. This goes back at least to 2017 when AW was getting its first major revamp (i.e. when defender diversity was introduced) and Kabam was questioned on whether any of the developers even participated in high tier war. Jax is summarizing a long history he wasn't here for the entirety of, but those of us that were can attest that players have questioned both whether Kabam developers played the game at high levels and even at times at all, and in both cases Kabam has answered in the affirmative. This is not a recent development.

    In fact I recall such discussions happening even before that, for example when 12.0 rolled out, but those were generalized complaints. "Top tier play" was a bit ambiguous back then. It was war revamp where I recall this first being challenged very specifically, where the notion of what "top tier play" was very specific and obvious.
    I'm saying that taking on DLL and nah (you'd agree these are fairly recent) is a different statement from "people we hired, started playing the game and are endgame players." That's why I said, "it's a bit of sleight of hand" because people here (not Miike or Jax, but haven't mentioned other names) are pushing DLL and nah as examples that their team always had top tier players. Surely you of all people understand the nuance?

    Adding DLL and nah to the team (and hopefully more endgame players) is a great thing for the game in addition to having smaller and newer players on the team.

    Edit: This is why I'm so thrilled to see someone like nah (and DLL, usually watch his streams) on the team. And it shows; KT1 has been singing DLL's praises for some time now.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,062 ★★★★★

    DNA3000 said:

    Kabam Jax said:

    Hey Summoners,

    I'd like to elaborate a little here, but first let me thank you! The vast majority of you have approached and discussed this topic very level headed. I feel this topic could have spiraled into a lot of yelling pretty quickly, and I was pleasantly surprised this morning.

    Firstly, Kabam employees have always played MCOC and we have always been very clear about that. The comments of "do they even play their own game?!" have always made us chuckle. Some of us (definitely not me) are actually very good! But every one of those accounts is earned. We do not have "access to every champ" and we cannot pull any strings to earn wins, grant resources, etc. We play the same way you play.

    This in-game tag exists to provide transparency, plain and simple. You've played against the dev team before, almost certainly. But now you can get really excited when you destroy a Kabam developer in Battlegrounds! I'm kind of excited to hear some of the stories that come from this!

    I think you’re slightly off base here. People, myself included, have questioned whether devs played the game at high enough levels to feel what the players do. For example, had any devs finished Carina’s V1 and 2 challenges?

    I’m glad Kabam is hiring or contracting with people like karateman, DLL and nah and I believe their contributions will benefit the game in massive ways. However saying that it has “always been the case” is a bit of a slight of hand unless we start to see other devs in GC.

    Overall it’s great news.
    I don't understand your "slight of hand" complaint here. Kabam has made many statements in the past about their developers playing the game at all levels of play in response to players questioning this. This goes back at least to 2017 when AW was getting its first major revamp (i.e. when defender diversity was introduced) and Kabam was questioned on whether any of the developers even participated in high tier war. Jax is summarizing a long history he wasn't here for the entirety of, but those of us that were can attest that players have questioned both whether Kabam developers played the game at high levels and even at times at all, and in both cases Kabam has answered in the affirmative. This is not a recent development.

    In fact I recall such discussions happening even before that, for example when 12.0 rolled out, but those were generalized complaints. "Top tier play" was a bit ambiguous back then. It was war revamp where I recall this first being challenged very specifically, where the notion of what "top tier play" was very specific and obvious.
    I'm saying that taking on DLL and nah (you'd agree these are fairly recent) is a different statement from "people we hired, started playing the game and are endgame players." That's why I said, "it's a bit of sleight of hand" because people here (not Miike or Jax, but haven't mentioned other names) are pushing DLL and nah as examples that their team always had top tier players. Surely you of all people understand the nuance?

    Adding DLL and nah to the team (and hopefully more endgame players) is a great thing for the game in addition to having smaller and newer players on the team.

    Edit: This is why I'm so thrilled to see someone like nah (and DLL, usually watch his streams) on the team. And it shows; KT1 has been singing DLL's praises for some time now.
    DLL isn't new to the team.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,575 ★★★★★

    DNA3000 said:

    Kabam Jax said:

    Hey Summoners,

    I'd like to elaborate a little here, but first let me thank you! The vast majority of you have approached and discussed this topic very level headed. I feel this topic could have spiraled into a lot of yelling pretty quickly, and I was pleasantly surprised this morning.

    Firstly, Kabam employees have always played MCOC and we have always been very clear about that. The comments of "do they even play their own game?!" have always made us chuckle. Some of us (definitely not me) are actually very good! But every one of those accounts is earned. We do not have "access to every champ" and we cannot pull any strings to earn wins, grant resources, etc. We play the same way you play.

    This in-game tag exists to provide transparency, plain and simple. You've played against the dev team before, almost certainly. But now you can get really excited when you destroy a Kabam developer in Battlegrounds! I'm kind of excited to hear some of the stories that come from this!

    I think you’re slightly off base here. People, myself included, have questioned whether devs played the game at high enough levels to feel what the players do. For example, had any devs finished Carina’s V1 and 2 challenges?

    I’m glad Kabam is hiring or contracting with people like karateman, DLL and nah and I believe their contributions will benefit the game in massive ways. However saying that it has “always been the case” is a bit of a slight of hand unless we start to see other devs in GC.

    Overall it’s great news.
    I don't understand your "slight of hand" complaint here. Kabam has made many statements in the past about their developers playing the game at all levels of play in response to players questioning this. This goes back at least to 2017 when AW was getting its first major revamp (i.e. when defender diversity was introduced) and Kabam was questioned on whether any of the developers even participated in high tier war. Jax is summarizing a long history he wasn't here for the entirety of, but those of us that were can attest that players have questioned both whether Kabam developers played the game at high levels and even at times at all, and in both cases Kabam has answered in the affirmative. This is not a recent development.

    In fact I recall such discussions happening even before that, for example when 12.0 rolled out, but those were generalized complaints. "Top tier play" was a bit ambiguous back then. It was war revamp where I recall this first being challenged very specifically, where the notion of what "top tier play" was very specific and obvious.
    I'm saying that taking on DLL and nah (you'd agree these are fairly recent) is a different statement from "people we hired, started playing the game and are endgame players." That's why I said, "it's a bit of sleight of hand" because people here (not Miike or Jax, but haven't mentioned other names) are pushing DLL and nah as examples that their team always had top tier players. Surely you of all people understand the nuance?

    Adding DLL and nah to the team (and hopefully more endgame players) is a great thing for the game in addition to having smaller and newer players on the team.

    Edit: This is why I'm so thrilled to see someone like nah (and DLL, usually watch his streams) on the team. And it shows; KT1 has been singing DLL's praises for some time now.
    I know from personal conversations with Moderators here (and unless their internal policies have changed the same stands) that they play with their own Accounts, just like the rest of us. Some have been playing a long time. Others are fairly new, like Jax and his "baby Cav Account" (his words).
    This isn't some new, fandangled thing. Their Accounts have been among us, and they don't get any kind of upper hand, or do any sleight of hand. They have access to test Accounts if they have work to test out, but the only thing seemingly new is the Title.
    This whole conspiracy that they don't play their own product and they don't understand high level game play is just that, a conspiracy. Born of frustration and perpetuated over the years.
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