New BGs VT set up (Seeding)

So I've been wondering, why have we got these extra tiers in the VT now? I can understand the general idea of them ... so that the VT (once everyone has been seeded) isn't too trivial and stupidly quick to get through but why have we got the extra tiers in this season? It's just adding unnecessary extra work/effort and the VT quite a bit longer

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XFREEDOMX

Extra work for some extra rewards as i see it

Mackey

Well, I mean, I wouldn't be putting in any extra work without getting something for it, be silly to do so really. My point is that VT was already one hell of a grind as it was (for most anyway) so why make it even longer for this season? I just about made GC every season due to time/work constraints but now I'm almost guarenteed to not get in there so I doubt I'll even bother, which is mildly infuriating.

Again, I can understand the idea of it for when seeding has actually taken place

obsidiman

Their making a change to BGs and letting people get acclimated to these changes the season before. Think of it as a BG beta.

JustWantTheRewards

I think introducing it this season is really the only way to make it fair for players who will start playing BGs next season or further. Players who start the grind after Seeding is added will have to play that season out the exact same way we have to this season. They'll start in Bronze 3 and work through the new VT tiers. If they introduced the extra VT tiers in the same season as they introduce Seeding, we won't have to face that struggle, but all new players will.

Mackey

That's an interesting outlook, perspective is key after all. Shame it won't find me the extra time required lol

Mackey

That's a good point tbf, something I wouldn't have thought about, I appreciate your response 👍

I guess, with the seeding working from VT too, I'll make GC next season, ir is what it is lol

obsidiman

So you don't have the time currently to run some extra BG matches to get through the few added levels, but you will have the time during season 11?

GroundedWisdom

I'm with the OP on this one. The VT has become more drawn out.

Mackey

No but if I finish in like Vibranium 3 this season then I won't be starting season 11 in bronze 3 due to the seeding it'll be Silver i think .. or gold, don't actually recall.

Also, yes it's a few added levels but the amount of extra wins required is now 15 .... isn't it? I haven't looked how many wins is needed for the extra diamond tier but I'm assuming it's 5. That's quite a task in comparison to previous seasons

WinterFields

Reducing the 2 medals to 1 in Plat while adding even more tracks is the part that bothers me more. I enjoy playing BG and normally get to GC just by playing for fun. However, the feeling of losing all your medals after a few bad matches kills the fun for me

Mackey

Yeah it's not a change for the better, that's for sure. I actually didn't know they changed plat to 1 medal tbh but I'm now more infuriated about it 😂

GroundedWisdom

I mean, one or two changes sure. Making it that painstaking is overboard, in my opinion. Lengthening Bronze and Silver, making Plat 1 Token, adding Tiers....too much. It's taking the enjoyment out of the experience.

Mackey

Yeah I agree with that. I also overlooked the change to bronze and silver tbh, they've essentially undone the change to 2 medals that they implemented not so long back when you look at it like that then

Mackey

The initial 1 medal per win was deemed longer (in some shape or form) so they done the 2 medals per win to "shorten" the VT when suffering loses. Now they're conscious of making it too quick and/or easier with the seeding so just go back to the 1 medal per win, no extra tiers and then have seeding. 🤷‍♂️

JustWantTheRewards

The experience is going to be way easier in every season going forward, I think it's a fair tradeoff to have one extra grindy season

GroundedWisdom

For who?

JustWantTheRewards

For everyone who gets seeded. Depending on how far you make it, you won't have to worry about Bronze and Silver being an issue again.

GroundedWisdom

Disagree. I've been in the GC the last 2 Seasons. Last Season it took me 2 weeks. This Season I wasted 10+ Refills and all my Marks to get to G3 in a week. I have the rest of the VT to look forward to, with extended frustration and every tough Opponent trying for the Brawl. The AI is ridiculous, and I'm half a T6B away from the R4 I need for Paragon. Granted that's a personal sloth thing because I'm still behind in Story, so I can't consider that a system fault.
Overall, they picked this Season to introduce added effort (which I think is a bit too much) for the VT, and it would have made more sense after seeding. Not now.
You call it a fair tradeoff. I call it unnecessary.

DNA3000

I don't know about way easier, but it will be incrementally easier in successive seasons. The idea is that although the path to GC is longer, everyone gets to keep some of their prior progress, so while it is now harder to jump to GC in one season, players can advance over time in successive seasons.

Also important to note that players are comparing the current state of BG with prior seasons, but prior seasons were broken in ways that made it much harder for some players and much easier for others. Some players will find it harder now than before, but that's deliberate.

The season reset drops you six tracks. So anyone who can advance at least seven will start next season higher than this one. The point at which you can't climb at least six is the point where you stabilize somewhere. That's one of the reasons there are more tracks in the higher tiers. There needed to be enough "room" for players who enter GC in one season to not have an automatic ride into GC in the next season because the total number of tracks in the more difficult tiers was too low.

WinterFields

Since Season 9 had the extra rewards, there's really two grindy seasons back to back. The timing could be better

GroundedWisdom

I don't think it's going to be that easy moving forward. Even with the seeding, they're going to meet with Players who were in the GC the previous. I do agree that some change was prudent. I don't agree that as much as was changed is necessary. Of course, my judgment is also a bit clouded by my own personal frustration.

WinterFields

How do you feel about the medal changes per win? I understand the change for future seasons after seeding takes place, but it feels like it's shouldn't have been shortened yet since everyone starts in Bronze

DNA3000

The current season needs to be identical to next season because this is the season where your finishing place determines your seed in the following season. If the current season was shorter, everyone would in essence be getting placed incorrectly next season (or possibly more likely, the seeding code would just break and cause a calamity if the season structure wasn't stable from season to season while seeding was being calculated).

The trophy requirements increase in lower tiers are, I suspect, additional tuning from last season where the jump from one token per win to two was too big of a jump. We literally needed only one win to jump tiers in Bronze. I don't mind the lower ones, although I will have to see what the impact is for the higher ones.

The change in trophies per win specifically in D3 is a bug fix due to a fencepost error. It is a weird glitch in how the VT is presented that there is some ambiguity between "what is the last VT tier you completed" and "what VT tier are you in now" because "in now" can mean "last achieved" or "working on." Kabam itself made this error when they allowed D3 to continue to earn two trophies per win (I pointed this out last season by way of explaining how no one really has a perfect understanding of how the VT tracks are supposed to work, not even Kabam).

JustWantTheRewards

Sure, but I'm enjoying it. I got my R4 materials from 8.2 last month so I wouldn't stress grinding BGs for Paragon and I could take it slow. I'm Gold 2 so far having spent less than half of the Elders Marks I started with and some leftover energy. It's been enjoyable for me. If you're not enjoying it and not progressing, maybe it's time to take a break and get back to it later. Of course it's a hard season and might seem unnecessary, but it's the way they needed it to be. I'm sure next season will be better for you.

GroundedWisdom

That's dismissive. I'm not foregoing the Season. If you are enjoying it, that's great. I'm not going to "not play".

GroundedWisdom

I mean, I appreciate that you are probably just offering a kind suggestion, but that's not a solution for me.

Also, thanks for the breakdown DNA, that answers why now.

JustWantTheRewards

It's not dismissive at all. It's my opinion as well as a recommendation. Not sure why there's quotes around "not play" as if that's a thing I said.

GroundedWisdom

The fundamental issue for me is the lengthening of the VT. Taking a break isn't going to change that. Just prolong the process that will already be incredibly frustrating. I don't take issue with the fact that it was changed. It's the extent.

DNA3000

Actually, suggesting taking a break is not the same thing as suggesting "not play." I have always known in my head what the strategic consequences were of pushing early, but I always did it anyway because I am often a stubborn idiot. But after last season when I actually used my brain instead just bashing it onto my table, I have been taking VT very, very, very slow this season. Literally every day the competition gets weaker, as the stronger players advance ahead of me. The way VT is set up, unless you are very strong, speed kills.

It costs the same amount to do a hundred matches in the first week or the last week, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to get a lot better return on my time pushing at the end rather than the beginning.

Of course, everyone is free to play however they want. However, the game mode is not going to accommodate players who want to skate uphill.

GroundedWisdom

I'd have to say I relate to that stubbornness. Lol. Also, I'm pushing to form a Cat so I'm less patient. You're most likely right.