September Balancing Update

13579rebel_

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/346974/adam-warlock-and-moondragon-balance-update#latest

No changes to moondragon or Adam with a very exciting announcement to finally buff red skull

Sbkrueb

Ugh, AW needed very minor but impactful tweaks to make his ramp a little less stressful.
Guess he will just keep collecting dust....

13579rebel_

My sig 100 red skull is happy

ItsClobberinTime

Sbkrueb said:

Ugh, AW needed very minor but impactful tweaks to make his ramp a little less stressful.
Guess he will just keep collecting dust....

Same here, not even gonna bother with mine. I can acknowledge the fact that when you get AI cooperation he's really strong but when you don't, he is very frustrating to play.

Emilia90

While he definitely could’ve used some tweaks to make his play style less stressful, Adam is still an amazing and there’s a ton of stuff you can do to make the AI cooperate. I think people overhype how hard he is to play a bit. Watching Nagase and a few others really helped and he’s been doing good for me in battlegrounds

MarvelSPMAN14

In a perfect matchup he’s great but if 1 thing goes wrong you gotta spend 40 hours to recover 😭

ahmynuts

All Adam needed was like an infuriate or something.

ItsClobberinTime

Emilia90 said:

While he definitely could’ve used some tweaks to make his play style less stressful, Adam is still an amazing and there’s a ton of stuff you can do to make the AI cooperate. I think people overhype how hard he is to play a bit. Watching Nagase and a few others really helped and he’s been doing good for me in battlegrounds

The main issue most people seem to have with him isn't AI cooperation though (sure it can be frustrating but you can counter bad AI simply by keeping them against the wall). It's the fact that any node or champ ability that prevents you from playing aggressive and keeping them against the wall or prevents the taunt from getting applied shuts him down almost completely. Purify, cleanse, evade, unstoppable, falter etc not to mention you're not immune to non damaging debuffs while in the pod which means you can get stunned, and his sp1 stun does nothing if your opponent is running limber.
I'm not saying he should be able to handle any defender in the game but his taunt should've at least been passive, the sp1 stun should've been longer so it actually does something and he should be immune to non damaging debuffs or at least stun immune while in the pod.

Heruzu369

ItsClobberinTime said:

Emilia90 said:

While he definitely could’ve used some tweaks to make his play style less stressful, Adam is still an amazing and there’s a ton of stuff you can do to make the AI cooperate. I think people overhype how hard he is to play a bit. Watching Nagase and a few others really helped and he’s been doing good for me in battlegrounds

The main issue most people seem to have with him isn't AI cooperation though (sure it can be frustrating but you can counter bad AI simply by keeping them against the wall). It's the fact that any node or champ ability that prevents you from playing aggressive and keeping them against the wall or prevents the taunt from getting applied shuts him down almost completely. Purify, cleanse, evade, unstoppable, falter etc not to mention you're not immune to non damaging debuffs while in the pod which means you can get stunned, and his sp1 stun does nothing if your opponent is running limber.
I'm not saying he should be able to handle any defender in the game but his taunt should've at least been passive, the sp1 stun should've been longer so it actually does something and he should be immune to non damaging debuffs or at least stun immune while in the pod.

I absolutely HATE that I can still get stunned while In the stasis pod…

mbrace

I don’t agree that Adam is fine. He falls flat in usability compared to the top cosmic champs. A Red Skull buff will be nice. There is already a synergy with IABom that makes his damage better. It could work nicely with this buff if left alone.

NeoDazaras

mbrace said:

I don’t agree that Adam is fine. He falls flat in usability compared to the top cosmic champs. A Red Skull buff will be nice. There is already a synergy with IABom that makes his damage better. It could work nicely with this buff if left alone.

Cosmic is already the top class in the game; it doesn't need any more Galans or Hulklings. Plenty of other champs require AI cooperation and don't have the Infuriate or Intimidates that Adam does. By comparison, Red Skull is a nothing-champion even with the iBom synergy.

ItsClobberinTime

NeoDazaras said:

mbrace said:

I don’t agree that Adam is fine. He falls flat in usability compared to the top cosmic champs. A Red Skull buff will be nice. There is already a synergy with IABom that makes his damage better. It could work nicely with this buff if left alone.

Cosmic is already the top class in the game; it doesn't need any more Galans or Hulklings. Plenty of other champs require AI cooperation and don't have the Infuriate or Intimidates that Adam does. By comparison, Red Skull is a nothing-champion even with the iBom synergy.

Just because the cosmic class is stacked doesn't mean he didn't need any small tweaks, nobody here was asking for more damage, just slight tweaks to make him a little bit more viable in general. Right now, the only reason to use this guy is to deal with autoblock (and that's only if you don't have Herc). Would've been nice if you could use him against Kingpin or Zemo but because the taunt isn't passive you can't, the stun from sp1 is completely useless and his pod also useless if the defender's specials can stun.

Shadowstrike

ItsClobberinTime said:

NeoDazaras said:

mbrace said:

I don’t agree that Adam is fine. He falls flat in usability compared to the top cosmic champs. A Red Skull buff will be nice. There is already a synergy with IABom that makes his damage better. It could work nicely with this buff if left alone.

Cosmic is already the top class in the game; it doesn't need any more Galans or Hulklings. Plenty of other champs require AI cooperation and don't have the Infuriate or Intimidates that Adam does. By comparison, Red Skull is a nothing-champion even with the iBom synergy.

Just because the cosmic class is stacked doesn't mean he didn't need any small tweaks, nobody here was asking for more damage, just slight tweaks to make him a little bit more viable in general.

No, that's the argument for Gladiator.

ItsClobberinTime

Shadowstrike said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

NeoDazaras said:

mbrace said:

I don’t agree that Adam is fine. He falls flat in usability compared to the top cosmic champs. A Red Skull buff will be nice. There is already a synergy with IABom that makes his damage better. It could work nicely with this buff if left alone.

Cosmic is already the top class in the game; it doesn't need any more Galans or Hulklings. Plenty of other champs require AI cooperation and don't have the Infuriate or Intimidates that Adam does. By comparison, Red Skull is a nothing-champion even with the iBom synergy.

Just because the cosmic class is stacked doesn't mean he didn't need any small tweaks, nobody here was asking for more damage, just slight tweaks to make him a little bit more viable in general.

No, that's the argument for Gladiator.

And it is for Adam too, he needed some slight tweaks.