Time for Paragons to be able to sell T5B/T2A

DalBot

I mean, what more needs to be said? I know that these used to be super rare rank up items, but now many of us see them expiring daily from our overflow because we can't possibly use them all 🤷🏻‍♂️

ahmynuts

My guy stole Kabam's secret stash of catalysts wtf

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LeNoirFaineant

I'd rather have the trade in on the Black ISO market become available. I've never let one expire but I get so many more T2 alphas than T5 Basics it can be a challenge to use them before they expire. I can run low on T5s and still have plenty of T2s in stash.

obsidiman

Why only paragons?

Greekhit

obsidiman said:

Why only paragons?

To avoid lower accounts selling them by mistake and flooding reverse tickets the support team.
These catalysts are still quite rare for many of them, but surely not for the higher accounts.
High time for sell option 👍

Teleus

T4 as well

Usagicassidy

I'm still waiting for the day for ability to sell T4CC.

Siliyo

We need @Kabam Zero on the case

WOLF_LINK

Absolutely agree.

obsidiman

Greekhit said:

obsidiman said:

Why only paragons?

To avoid lower accounts selling them by mistake and flooding reverse tickets the support team.
These catalysts are still quite rare for many of them, but surely not for the higher accounts.
High time for sell option 👍

So I, with an almost 5 million TB account, should not be allowed to sell excess catalysts because, since I am not a Paragon level account, I somehow lack judgement?

This is going to farm disagrees but your assertion is absurd. Paragon is a game title. Not a denoter of skill or common sense level. There are plenty out there, like myself, with accounts w/o the Paragon title that are well progressed. Some may be TB. Heck, some may still only carry the Cav title.

So if Kabam were to introduce a new title above Paragon, give those with it perks akin to selling high level catalysts, and say "We don't feel that Paragon and below players lack the judgement required to utilize this feature responsibly" you'd be ok with that? Because after all, you're only Paragon... not at the sensibility level of a higher title.

If a "lower" titled account sells a resource by mistake, that's how they learn to not do that. I can tell you the stove is hot and will burn you until I'm blue in the face. Chances are you'll more thoroughly understand the warning after you've tried it out yourself.

Oh and for reference... my lowly TB account...



Well one day soon after tangling with Superior Kang, I'll be responsible enough to figure out what to properly do with these. Sigh...

Zeke_the_Xbot

DalBot said:

I mean, what more needs to be said? I know that these used to be super rare rank up items, but now many of us see them expiring daily from our overflow because we can't possibly use them all 🤷🏻‍♂️

All I can say is grind harder if you can’t make use of them since 5/6* use many of those to upgrade. Yes I know the game is moving to 7* but those are different resources then the ones your begging to sell. I assume you must have everything maxed out which is like a top 1% player issue or less

Greekhit

obsidiman said:

Greekhit said:

obsidiman said:

Why only paragons?

To avoid lower accounts selling them by mistake and flooding reverse tickets the support team.
These catalysts are still quite rare for many of them, but surely not for the higher accounts.
High time for sell option 👍

So I, with an almost 5 million TB account, should not be allowed to sell excess catalysts because, since I am not a Paragon level account, I somehow lack judgement?

This is going to farm disagrees but your assertion is absurd. Paragon is a game title. Not a denoter of skill or common sense level. There are plenty out there, like myself, with accounts w/o the Paragon title that are well progressed. Some may be TB. Heck, some may still only carry the Cav title.

So if Kabam were to introduce a new title above Paragon, give those with it perks akin to selling high level catalysts, and say "We don't feel that Paragon and below players lack the judgement required to utilize this feature responsibly" you'd be ok with that? Because after all, you're only Paragon... not at the sensibility level of a higher title.

If a "lower" titled account sells a resource by mistake, that's how they learn to not do that. I can tell you the stove is hot and will burn you until I'm blue in the face. Chances are you'll more thoroughly understand the warning after you've tried it out yourself.

Oh and for reference... my lowly TB account...



Well one day soon after tangling with Superior Kang, I'll be responsible enough to figure out what to properly do with these. Sigh...

It would be more complicated for Kabam to set more parameters than progression titles, to limit something such us selling higher tier resources.
Both the average and the vast majority of TBs, surely aren’t around 5mil rating.
Your personal account as an example, is an edgy very rare occasion, and surely far from representing the average TB account.
I’m personally not opposed to Kabam allowing all players to sell t5bc and t2a, but on the the same time I’m sensible enough to predict the bad consequences it would create for them.

obsidiman

@Greekhit when Kabam discontinued the ability to sell champs did it only affect certain size accounts or those with specific titles? Nope. Same across the board for everyone.

Your response made it pretty clear that only paragons should benefit and be able to sell higher catalyst rarities like people with Paragon accounts have a higher level of wisdom, common sense, or understanding.

You're right... allowing anyone to sell regardless of account size or title will no doubt have intended and unintended consequences. But that's how we learn...

ahmynuts

obsidiman said:

@Greekhit when Kabam discontinued the ability to sell champs did it only affect certain size accounts or those with specific titles? Nope. Same across the board for everyone.

Your response made it pretty clear that only paragons should benefit and be able to sell higher catalyst rarities like people with Paragon accounts have a higher level of wisdom, common sense, or understanding.

You're right... allowing anyone to sell regardless of account size or title will no doubt have intended and unintended consequences. But that's how we learn...

The only reason to limit it to paragons is that we are much more unlikely to sell our stuff "by mistake" and send a million support tickets in begging and crying at Kabam to reverse it because their friend's cousins uncles nephews brothers daughters pet goldfish sold all of their catalysts.

I'm for it either way only if we actually get a decent amount of stuff for selling it. Right now with what we are able to sell we barely get anything for the next catalyst up, it might as well be nothing at all

DalBot

obsidiman said:

@Greekhit when Kabam discontinued the ability to sell champs did it only affect certain size accounts or those with specific titles? Nope. Same across the board for everyone.

Your response made it pretty clear that only paragons should benefit and be able to sell higher catalyst rarities like people with Paragon accounts have a higher level of wisdom, common sense, or understanding.

You're right... allowing anyone to sell regardless of account size or title will no doubt have intended and unintended consequences. But that's how we learn...

Maybe stop being bitter and understand the logic. Non-Paragons are far less likely to have these cats expiring on them because they're still building a roster capable of moving to the next progression. Also a Paragon is far more less likely to report selling T5B/T2A as a "mistake" because most have enough that it's not even a problem if this did happen to them.

Milan1405

DalBot said:

I mean, what more needs to be said? I know that these used to be super rare rank up items, but now many of us see them expiring daily from our overflow because we can't possibly use them all 🤷🏻‍♂️

Lol who the hell disagrees with this?

Demonzfyre

I'd be happy to sell T2A. I don't have enough champs I want to rank and I am wasting them on champs I'll never use.

DalBot

Milan1405 said:

DalBot said:

I mean, what more needs to be said? I know that these used to be super rare rank up items, but now many of us see them expiring daily from our overflow because we can't possibly use them all 🤷🏻‍♂️

Lol who the hell disagrees with this?

Beats me but I'm about to have 8 T2A expire with a bunch more (and some T5B as well) over the next few days

GroundedWisdom

obsidiman said:

Greekhit said:

obsidiman said:

Why only paragons?

To avoid lower accounts selling them by mistake and flooding reverse tickets the support team.
These catalysts are still quite rare for many of them, but surely not for the higher accounts.
High time for sell option 👍

So I, with an almost 5 million TB account, should not be allowed to sell excess catalysts because, since I am not a Paragon level account, I somehow lack judgement?

This is going to farm disagrees but your assertion is absurd. Paragon is a game title. Not a denoter of skill or common sense level. There are plenty out there, like myself, with accounts w/o the Paragon title that are well progressed. Some may be TB. Heck, some may still only carry the Cav title.

So if Kabam were to introduce a new title above Paragon, give those with it perks akin to selling high level catalysts, and say "We don't feel that Paragon and below players lack the judgement required to utilize this feature responsibly" you'd be ok with that? Because after all, you're only Paragon... not at the sensibility level of a higher title.

If a "lower" titled account sells a resource by mistake, that's how they learn to not do that. I can tell you the stove is hot and will burn you until I'm blue in the face. Chances are you'll more thoroughly understand the warning after you've tried it out yourself.

Oh and for reference... my lowly TB account...



Well one day soon after tangling with Superior Kang, I'll be responsible enough to figure out what to properly do with these. Sigh...

Why are you at 5M and not Paragon?

Milan1405

Agree, you're simply not endgame if you aren't paragon. It's an extremely easy title to get to these days. Doesn't take much time at all and we all know Act 7 is very easy and Act 5 and 6 have been nerfed to the ground.

obsidiman

GroundedWisdom said:

obsidiman said:

Greekhit said:

obsidiman said:

Why only paragons?

To avoid lower accounts selling them by mistake and flooding reverse tickets the support team.
These catalysts are still quite rare for many of them, but surely not for the higher accounts.
High time for sell option 👍

So I, with an almost 5 million TB account, should not be allowed to sell excess catalysts because, since I am not a Paragon level account, I somehow lack judgement?

This is going to farm disagrees but your assertion is absurd. Paragon is a game title. Not a denoter of skill or common sense level. There are plenty out there, like myself, with accounts w/o the Paragon title that are well progressed. Some may be TB. Heck, some may still only carry the Cav title.

So if Kabam were to introduce a new title above Paragon, give those with it perks akin to selling high level catalysts, and say "We don't feel that Paragon and below players lack the judgement required to utilize this feature responsibly" you'd be ok with that? Because after all, you're only Paragon... not at the sensibility level of a higher title.

If a "lower" titled account sells a resource by mistake, that's how they learn to not do that. I can tell you the stove is hot and will burn you until I'm blue in the face. Chances are you'll more thoroughly understand the warning after you've tried it out yourself.

Oh and for reference... my lowly TB account...



Well one day soon after tangling with Superior Kang, I'll be responsible enough to figure out what to properly do with these. Sigh...

Why are you at 5M and not Paragon?

I'm lazy or I tend not to focus on the correct content. Take your pick. I have to do a run through 7.4 and the goal is to do that before this EQ is finished.

obsidiman

Milan1405 said:

Agree, you're simply not endgame if you aren't paragon. It's an extremely easy title to get to these days. Doesn't take much time at all and we all know Act 7 is very easy and Act 5 and 6 have been nerfed to the ground.

Easy is a relative term. I consider myself a decent player but good enough to "breeze" to Paragon... not so much.

Like I said sometimes I'm just plain lazy or I get caught up doing different content and not progressing through the story quests.

obsidiman

DalBot said:

obsidiman said:

@Greekhit when Kabam discontinued the ability to sell champs did it only affect certain size accounts or those with specific titles? Nope. Same across the board for everyone.

Your response made it pretty clear that only paragons should benefit and be able to sell higher catalyst rarities like people with Paragon accounts have a higher level of wisdom, common sense, or understanding.

You're right... allowing anyone to sell regardless of account size or title will no doubt have intended and unintended consequences. But that's how we learn...

Maybe stop being bitter and understand the logic. Non-Paragons are far less likely to have these cats expiring on them because they're still building a roster capable of moving to the next progression. Also a Paragon is far more less likely to report selling T5B/T2A as a "mistake" because most have enough that it's not even a problem if this did happen to them.

Didn't realize I came off as bitter...

But I just don't agree with your "logic". You're somehow saying having a TITLE of Paragon makes you a wiser person. But it also seems like you are defining Paragon as a specific type or value account. As far as I've seen Paragon accounts come in all shapes and sizes and are run/played by a wide variety of people.

Perhaps a 15 year old kid with a Cav or TB account may make buying and selling decisions more rashly than a player with a similar account 3 to 4 times their age. But also a 15 year old kid with a Paragon account may make the same rash decisions whereas a 50 year old with a TB account may not.

@DalBot you're essentially saying that because I am only a holder of the TB title in the game, that I would be incapable of making wise and proper decisions regarding my account and the resources it has. You're defining me by a title in a mobile phone game and not by the player I am who has built this account over many, many years.

Decision making is subjective thing, not an objective one. Pretty tough to stick people in categories based on decision making.

obsidiman

We're playing a game where the highest rarity champs were recently introduced. For many, those champs have now become the focus, so using expiring resources on lesser used rarities seems wrong and a waste. It's an opinion and a valid one at that. For me... yes I would love to sell excess stuff to upgrade to materials that would help me develop more 6r5 and 7r2, but it isn't possible. So I use them on 5* and 6* still. I get value with them for that and that sense of value doesn't necessarily agree with someone else's sense of value. You're reading a post from a guy who has all his 4* (with the exception of a handful) at 5/50. I can use the materials or let them expire and disappear while harumphing about not being allowed to sell then.

But to sit and say that because I don't have the Paragon title, I should not be allowed to sell to upgrade if that possibility ever comes to fruition... well I haven't read a good argument for it on this thread. Not every non-Paragon player and account is the same, so it doesn't seem right that you should lump us all together.

Keonex

the pain of not being able to sell is real

Keonex

for a company that doesn’t like when players hoard crystals they sure encourage it by roadblocks like this

i now stopped opening anything that would give me t2a or t5b cuz its apl going to end up going into oblivion

paragon daily’s so sad i want to open but it will just go to waste anyways

HSS75

I rather have those catalysts to be gifted instead but you do you

Milan1405

Also, please correct me if I'm wrong but I've noticed (in my own account and screenshots from others) that the amount of t5b and t2a are extremely unbalanced. The game seems to give out far more t2a than t5b (personally I estimate I have had 3-4 times the amount of t2a expire than t5b.) And that's with me never buying t2a from side quest shops or glory or bgs store, only direct rewards, such as from story content.

obsidiman

@Milan1405 I do want to ask one question. And I ask this is full sincerity to continue to foster a conversation. What is your definition of "endgame"?

I feel that you're placing players into the endgame category solely because of the Paragon title. Now I have stated in my previous posts above that I take my time in the game or am lazy sometimes or don't focus on the story quests. All of that I admit fully. And I can see how you or others can say "Well endgame players try and are vigilant about moving forward and since you're not you aren't 'endgame'." Fair enough. That's a valid opinion. But I never said I've given up on accomplishing my goals for myself and account in game. I'm just going at it in a round about way. If my goals are to complete up to the latest released content just not within the first 72 hours they're dropped, can I not be an "endgame" player? If a first time MCOC player starts at ground zero with the intention of completing all content the game has to offer and achieving the highest title, at what point do they become "endgame"? To me they are an endgame player as their attitude towards what they are doing in the game reflects that.

All I'm saying is "endgame" definition is subjective. You see it as a cut and dry progression point in the game. I look at it as more of an attitude towards playing the game.

I want to get to Paragon and I will do it, but if I completely pay off my 30 year mortgage 7.5 years early before I reach Paragon, that's a prouder accomplishment for me. It's just how my priorities are. Yours are different. Neither you or I are better or worse, we're just approaching things differently.

Milan1405

obsidiman said:

@Milan1405 I do want to ask one question. And I ask this is full sincerity to continue to foster a conversation. What is your definition of "endgame"?

I feel that you're placing players into the endgame category solely because of the Paragon title. Now I have stated in my previous posts above that I take my time in the game or am lazy sometimes or don't focus on the story quests. All of that I admit fully. And I can see how you or others can say "Well endgame players try and are vigilant about moving forward and since you're not you aren't 'endgame'." Fair enough. That's a valid opinion. But I never said I've given up on accomplishing my goals for myself and account in game. I'm just going at it in a round about way. If my goals are to complete up to the latest released content just not within the first 72 hours they're dropped, can I not be an "endgame" player? If a first time MCOC player starts at ground zero with the intention of completing all content the game has to offer and achieving the highest title, at what point do they become "endgame"? To me they are an endgame player as their attitude towards what they are doing in the game reflects that.

All I'm saying is "endgame" definition is subjective. You see it as a cut and dry progression point in the game. I look at it as more of an attitude towards playing the game.

I want to get to Paragon and I will do it, but if I completely pay off my 30 year mortgage 7.5 years early before I reach Paragon, that's a prouder accomplishment for me. It's just how my priorities are. Yours are different. Neither you or I are better or worse, we're just approaching things differently.

I'm not really sure what the last point has to do with anything I said. This is just a game at the end of the day and getting paragon is barely an accomplishment these days. I think if someone thinks getting a title in this game is more important than paying off their mortgage they have got some serious issues with priorities.

But my point was that I don't think anyone can consider themselves 'an endgame player' without being paragon. That being said, I definitely do not consider all paragons 'endgame players'. My definition of endgame is someone who meets most of the following criteria:

-Places highly in battlegrounds (maybe mysterium or higher)
-Has a strong roster (decent amount of 6*R5 or 7*R2 champs, maybe 15+)
-Completed (and explored) most relevant endgame content (Act 8, Gauntlet, EOP etc)
-Few other possible arbitrary criteria such as being able to progress far in incursions, have done some carina challenges, mainly 7 for 7 and EOP ones, having a 'broad and deep roster', etc
-Need to be at least platinum in AW

Very subject to change when necropolis drops.