Which 4* tech champ to awaken and put sig stones into?

I've been planning on investing in my 4* Starlord, but Vision AOU (already rank 5) will be so valuable in Act 5, and I'm guessing I won't be taking 4* Starlord into Labyrinth at this point.

My only five stars are Venom and Captain Marvel, both unduped.

My champs that are currently rank 5 (or will be soon) are:
Wolverine (duped)
Gwenpool (duped)
Vision AOU (unduped)
Drax (duped)
Hulk (unduped)
Ghost Rider (unduped, but I have a mystic gem)
Archangel (unduped)

My current leaning is to put my act 4 generic gem into Vision, and use the 5.1 exploration gem into Archangel, and use that team of 7 on act 5. Would it be better to leave Vision unduped and bring Starlord to rank 5 and awaken him?

Comments

SMiller80

I would feel good using it on Vision. If you aren't going to do LOL with SL, having the utility of Vision might be better. And his power steal helps a great deal, not just in Act 5, but in AQ. Mine is a staple in map 5. I tend to take the power gain lanes, and he handles those quite well. Can also do anything poison or bleed lanes/nodes.

As for that mystic gem, I'd use that on GR in a second. He's worth it.

So...i typed this all out and then saw that that's a generic awakening gem. I take it back. Vision is worth a tech gem, but not a generic one. Lol. I wouldn't use a generic on SL either. AA, maybe.

420sam

I lean towards Star Lord in this case. He is god tier awakened, Vision is not. You have Ghost Rider who provides bleed immunity and power drains with his s2 also.

Orthodox86

I'll probably use the mystic gem on Ghost Rider, but I'm waiting on the top 12 crystal, given that Ghost Rider will be in it (and Archangel).

I haven't gotten a tech gem. I have a mystic and a currently useless skill gem, a generic and eventually a 5.1 generic. Given how much of a staple Vision is and how good is utility is, and the fact that I don't really need the generic elsewhere, why not?

420sam

Orthodox86 wrote: »

I'll probably use the mystic gem on Ghost Rider, but I'm waiting on the top 12 crystal, given that Ghost Rider will be in it (and Archangel).

I haven't gotten a tech gem. I have a mystic and a currently useless skill gem, a generic and eventually a 5.1 generic. Given how much of a staple Vision is and how good is utility is, and the fact that I don't really need the generic elsewhere, why not?

Vision is not worth a generic awakening gem. Watch Seatin on Youtube if you do not believe me.

Orthodox86

420sam wrote: »

I lean towards Star Lord in this case. He is god tier awakened, Vision is not. You have Ghost Rider who provides bleed immunity and power drains with his s2 also.

Yes, Starlord is god tier, but is he actually more useful than Vision for act 5? Starlord is unparalleled in Labyrinth, but I'm not looking to use him in Labyrinth at this point. My Labyrinth plan is to wait until I have a 5* worth taking to rank 5.

Orthodox86

420sam wrote: »

Orthodox86 wrote: »

I'll probably use the mystic gem on Ghost Rider, but I'm waiting on the top 12 crystal, given that Ghost Rider will be in it (and Archangel).

I haven't gotten a tech gem. I have a mystic and a currently useless skill gem, a generic and eventually a 5.1 generic. Given how much of a staple Vision is and how good is utility is, and the fact that I don't really need the generic elsewhere, why not?

Vision is not worth a generic awakening gem. Watch Seatin on Youtube if you do not believe me.

Yeah I watch Seatin videos all the time, but he does change his content based on game development. Now with rank 5 five stars coming out and the value of exploring act 5, SL doesn't seem as valuable to me as Vision. Seatin hasn't ever mentioned how perfect Vision is for act 5.

IAmNotUrMom

Orthodox86 wrote: »

420sam wrote: »

I lean towards Star Lord in this case. He is god tier awakened, Vision is not. You have Ghost Rider who provides bleed immunity and power drains with his s2 also.

Yes, Starlord is god tier, but is he actually more useful than Vision for act 5? Starlord is unparalleled in Labyrinth, but I'm not looking to use him in Labyrinth at this point. My Labyrinth plan is to wait until I have a 5* worth taking to rank 5.

I have both awakened and I used SL for Act 5.

IAmNotUrMom

Orthodox86 wrote: »

420sam wrote: »

Orthodox86 wrote: »

I'll probably use the mystic gem on Ghost Rider, but I'm waiting on the top 12 crystal, given that Ghost Rider will be in it (and Archangel).

I haven't gotten a tech gem. I have a mystic and a currently useless skill gem, a generic and eventually a 5.1 generic. Given how much of a staple Vision is and how good is utility is, and the fact that I don't really need the generic elsewhere, why not?

Vision is not worth a generic awakening gem. Watch Seatin on Youtube if you do not believe me.

Yeah I watch Seatin videos all the time, but he does change his content based on game development. Now with rank 5 five stars coming out and the value of exploring act 5, SL doesn't seem as valuable to me as Vision. Seatin hasn't ever mentioned how perfect Vision is for act 5.

If he has not mentioned that then do you really think Vision is a good choice to awaken and take into Act 5 then?

Orthodox86

IAmNotUrMom wrote: »

Orthodox86 wrote: »

420sam wrote: »

I lean towards Star Lord in this case. He is god tier awakened, Vision is not. You have Ghost Rider who provides bleed immunity and power drains with his s2 also.

Yes, Starlord is god tier, but is he actually more useful than Vision for act 5? Starlord is unparalleled in Labyrinth, but I'm not looking to use him in Labyrinth at this point. My Labyrinth plan is to wait until I have a 5* worth taking to rank 5.

I have both awakened and I used SL for Act 5.

I'm sure SL is good for act 5, the question is, which one is more replaceable? I have GP and AA for heavy hitting.

Orthodox86

IAmNotUrMom wrote: »

Orthodox86 wrote: »

420sam wrote: »

Orthodox86 wrote: »

I'll probably use the mystic gem on Ghost Rider, but I'm waiting on the top 12 crystal, given that Ghost Rider will be in it (and Archangel).

I haven't gotten a tech gem. I have a mystic and a currently useless skill gem, a generic and eventually a 5.1 generic. Given how much of a staple Vision is and how good is utility is, and the fact that I don't really need the generic elsewhere, why not?

Vision is not worth a generic awakening gem. Watch Seatin on Youtube if you do not believe me.

Yeah I watch Seatin videos all the time, but he does change his content based on game development. Now with rank 5 five stars coming out and the value of exploring act 5, SL doesn't seem as valuable to me as Vision. Seatin hasn't ever mentioned how perfect Vision is for act 5.

If he has not mentioned that then do you really think Vision is a good choice to awaken and take into Act 5 then?

I don't know, that's why I'm asking. He puts SL in god tier and Vision in demi-god tier when talking about them overall. He's making general videos. Wouldn't Vision be god tier if you were just talking about act 5?

Edit: Vision is by far the best option for Collector, just as one example.

IAmNotUrMom

Orthodox86 wrote: »

IAmNotUrMom wrote: »

Orthodox86 wrote: »

420sam wrote: »

Orthodox86 wrote: »

I'll probably use the mystic gem on Ghost Rider, but I'm waiting on the top 12 crystal, given that Ghost Rider will be in it (and Archangel).

I haven't gotten a tech gem. I have a mystic and a currently useless skill gem, a generic and eventually a 5.1 generic. Given how much of a staple Vision is and how good is utility is, and the fact that I don't really need the generic elsewhere, why not?

Vision is not worth a generic awakening gem. Watch Seatin on Youtube if you do not believe me.

Yeah I watch Seatin videos all the time, but he does change his content based on game development. Now with rank 5 five stars coming out and the value of exploring act 5, SL doesn't seem as valuable to me as Vision. Seatin hasn't ever mentioned how perfect Vision is for act 5.

If he has not mentioned that then do you really think Vision is a good choice to awaken and take into Act 5 then?

I don't know, that's why I'm asking. He puts SL in god tier and Vision in demi-god tier when talking about them overall. He's making general videos. Wouldn't Vision be god tier if you were just talking about act 5?

For me he is not. But do whatever you want. It is obvious that you value your own opinion more than that of the community.

Orthodox86

IAmNotUrMom wrote: »

Orthodox86 wrote: »

IAmNotUrMom wrote: »

Orthodox86 wrote: »

420sam wrote: »

Orthodox86 wrote: »

I'll probably use the mystic gem on Ghost Rider, but I'm waiting on the top 12 crystal, given that Ghost Rider will be in it (and Archangel).

I haven't gotten a tech gem. I have a mystic and a currently useless skill gem, a generic and eventually a 5.1 generic. Given how much of a staple Vision is and how good is utility is, and the fact that I don't really need the generic elsewhere, why not?

Vision is not worth a generic awakening gem. Watch Seatin on Youtube if you do not believe me.

Yeah I watch Seatin videos all the time, but he does change his content based on game development. Now with rank 5 five stars coming out and the value of exploring act 5, SL doesn't seem as valuable to me as Vision. Seatin hasn't ever mentioned how perfect Vision is for act 5.

If he has not mentioned that then do you really think Vision is a good choice to awaken and take into Act 5 then?

I don't know, that's why I'm asking. He puts SL in god tier and Vision in demi-god tier when talking about them overall. He's making general videos. Wouldn't Vision be god tier if you were just talking about act 5?

For me he is not. But do whatever you want. It is obvious that you value your own opinion more than that of the community.

Bro, that's just rude. I'm pushing for clarity. If I didn't want other opinions I wouldn't have asked.

IAmNotUrMom

Orthodox86 wrote: »

IAmNotUrMom wrote: »

Orthodox86 wrote: »

IAmNotUrMom wrote: »

Orthodox86 wrote: »

420sam wrote: »

Orthodox86 wrote: »

I'll probably use the mystic gem on Ghost Rider, but I'm waiting on the top 12 crystal, given that Ghost Rider will be in it (and Archangel).

I haven't gotten a tech gem. I have a mystic and a currently useless skill gem, a generic and eventually a 5.1 generic. Given how much of a staple Vision is and how good is utility is, and the fact that I don't really need the generic elsewhere, why not?

Vision is not worth a generic awakening gem. Watch Seatin on Youtube if you do not believe me.

Yeah I watch Seatin videos all the time, but he does change his content based on game development. Now with rank 5 five stars coming out and the value of exploring act 5, SL doesn't seem as valuable to me as Vision. Seatin hasn't ever mentioned how perfect Vision is for act 5.

If he has not mentioned that then do you really think Vision is a good choice to awaken and take into Act 5 then?

I don't know, that's why I'm asking. He puts SL in god tier and Vision in demi-god tier when talking about them overall. He's making general videos. Wouldn't Vision be god tier if you were just talking about act 5?

For me he is not. But do whatever you want. It is obvious that you value your own opinion more than that of the community.

Bro, that's just rude. I'm pushing for clarity. If I didn't want other opinions I wouldn't have asked.

It is not rude. It is actually far more rude of you to accuse me of something falsely, but let's just leave it at this.

My statement above is my view of the situation. I told you I do not think Vision is a good fit for Act 5. I could give you a lot of reasons, but mainly there is this: he has no ability to get health back and you already have another very good power control champ in Ghost Rider. Also it is my opinion that he is not worthy of a generic awakening gem. You disagree and obviously have your own opinions. I respect your opinion but I refuse to waste any additional time discussing it. Thanks and have a nice day.

Orthodox86

This exchange is exactly why I almost never post on this forum. I was just pushing for clarity, trying to have a discussion, and you jumped right to "It is obvious that you value your own opinion more than that of the community" simply because I was trying to discuss the issue instead of just taking the opinions at face value. That was rude. Then you responded to my pointing out that that was rude by saying that it is more rude for me to say that you're rude. That's stupid.

whaler213

OG Vision is the one who is amazing for collector not AoU

TheOneAndOnly

I agree with @IAmNotUrMom. He gave you his opinion and you pushed back. You were the first to resort to calling him/her "rude" which is an attack. And now you resort to saying what you said right above which is a clear violation of forum rules.

Orthodox86

I pushed back completely respectfully, and he jumped from that to I obviously don't care about other opinions. That was rude. Objectively. Guess I'm going back to lurking on this toxic forum.

420sam

Orthodox86 wrote: »

I pushed back completely respectfully, and he jumped from that to I obviously don't care about other opinions. That was rude. Objectively. Guess I'm going back to lurking on this toxic forum.

Just let it go. You cursed and you accused him of something. You are wrong.

StrayPool

I've got both at 5/50, awoken, and my leaning would be that Vision has more common use while SL has two main applications: RoL and LoL. I find it much handier to be able to freely control the enemy's power than to stack up SL, especially since any champ can do damage given time but not every champ can power control and steal. So if you plan either of the Legends areas in the near future, go for Star-Lord. Otherwise lean on Vision; that's my input. Best of luck with whoever gets it.

Thawnim

StrayPool wrote: »

I've got both at 5/50, awoken, and my leaning would be that Vision has more common use while SL has two main applications: RoL and LoL. I find it much handier to be able to freely control the enemy's power than to stack up SL, especially since any champ can do damage given time but not every champ can power control and steal. So if you plan either of the Legends areas in the near future, go for Star-Lord. Otherwise lean on Vision; that's my input. Best of luck with whoever gets it.

I would agree with this opinion and with that of @whaler213. But I would say Vision AOU at 5/50 does not need to be awakened to be effective at power control. Vision OG does and would be great against the Collector. Definitely use the gem on SL unless it is Vision OG.

BuckeyeKP

SL is in the basic arena next after Yondu, so I would try to grind for him to awaken and save your gem for vision. If you don't have a lot of time use boosts and units to refresh your top teams. Both are great and Vision is so much better awakened.