Rhintah interaction vs Buff immune

JRAWES

This has been going on for a long time now but Rhintah still gains a power gain buff when a buff immune champ- Spidy 2099 for example, dexs.

Rhintah's description was updated to better reflect and it quite clarly says- "When the opponent fails to gain a buff due to reduced Ability Accuracy while Rhintah is below 20 Mysticial charges, Rhintah gains a Power Gain buff"

So sticking to Spidy 2099, his buff immunity isn't subject to Ability Accuracy in the same way Nimrod's bleed immunity is subject to Ability Accuracy.

So when Spidy dexs, the reason he doesn't gain a dex buff isn't "DUE TO ABILITY ACCURACY" but due to an immunity.

Can somome from Kabam either confirm this is a bug or explain how this works because the description and interaction don't match.

Ackbar67

Consider fighting Claire Voyant with Wolverine. Claire gains power when an immunity triggers, and Wolverine places bleed on crits, with an 80% chance.

Now, if Wolverine crits and Claire gains power, that means that you hit the 80% chance: Wolverine tried to place a bleed, but it was prevented by an immunity and triggered the power gain. Similarly, if Wolverine crits but Claire does not gain power, then Wolverine missed the 80% chance. Since he didn't even try to place the bleed, Claire's immunity does not trigger, and no power is gained.

A similar thing is happening in your situation. Rintrah places a neutralize on Spidey, reducing the ability accuracy of buffs by 100%. The next time spidey dexes, rather than having a 100% chance of generating a buff, he has a 0% chance. Since the buff doesn't even try to trigger, there is no buff to be prevented by an immunity. Because the buff was prevented from being placed, Rintrah gains power. Theoretically, if Spidey had triggered the buff even with the neutralize (via increased ability accuracy), it would be prevented by immunity, and Rintrah would not gain power. The overall outcome is the same (no buff on Spidey), but the means by which it was achieved are different.

DNA3000

Ackbar67 said:

Consider fighting Claire Voyant with Wolverine. Claire gains power when an immunity triggers, and Wolverine places bleed on crits, with an 80% chance.

Now, if Wolverine crits and Claire gains power, that means that you hit the 80% chance: Wolverine tried to place a bleed, but it was prevented by an immunity and triggered the power gain. Similarly, if Wolverine crits but Claire does not gain power, then Wolverine missed the 80% chance. Since he didn't even try to place the bleed, Claire's immunity does not trigger, and no power is gained.

A similar thing is happening in your situation. Rintrah places a neutralize on Spidey, reducing the ability accuracy of buffs by 100%. The next time spidey dexes, rather than having a 100% chance of generating a buff, he has a 0% chance. Since the buff doesn't even try to trigger, there is no buff to be prevented by an immunity. Because the buff was prevented from being placed, Rintrah gains power. Theoretically, if Spidey had triggered the buff even with the neutralize (via increased ability accuracy), it would be prevented by immunity, and Rintrah would not gain power. The overall outcome is the same (no buff on Spidey), but the means by which it was achieved are different.

Exactly this. The confusion stems from the fact that some people believe the way immunity works is the effect never even tries to happen. But that's not how immunity works. Immunity is like a bullet proof shield. Bullets fire, but then they bounce off. Immunity is not like a magic field where when you shoot at it, the bullet misfires in the gun.

Ability accuracy is about triggering. Does the effect trigger or not trigger. Immunity is about affecting. Does the effect actually affect the target or not. These are two completely separate, independent processes.