This is why I have trust issues.

MarvelNoob

Why do we get to see what buffs could've been for them to get hit with a fat nerf before release? First sandman and now red guardian.

I know you can't make them op but could y'all at least not show us the potential? It's heartbreaking to see my fav science champs treated dirty.

Wubbie075

So, they release champs/buffs without playtesting and people complain.

Then they playtest champs/buffs and make adjustments prior to release and people complain.

What do you want them to do?

MarvelNoob

What would you rather have, an amazing buff shown to the community before a huge nerf,
Or
A perfectly balanced buff that's been play tested being shown to the community just a little bit later. Like have some people play test and then make adjustments before it's shown to the community right?

We ways have problems with amazing champs or buffs getting nerfed right before release, I can't remember which new champ it was last time that everyone was hype for tho

captain_rogers

I second that
Don't give us hope, just make balanced champs and don't make champs too op like herc, and keep us in fear of potential nerfs/gatekeeping

ChaosMax1012

Wubbie075 said:

So, they release champs/buffs without playtesting and people complain.

Then they playtest champs/buffs and make adjustments prior to release and people complain.

What do you want them to do?

Here’s a tough one. Play test the champion BEFORE releasing the final product and make revisions BEFORE the player base gets excited.

Demonzfyre

MarvelNoob said:

What would you rather have, an amazing buff shown to the community before a huge nerf,
Or
A perfectly balanced buff that's been play tested being shown to the community just a little bit later. Like have some people play test and then make adjustments before it's shown to the community right?

We ways have problems with amazing champs or buffs getting nerfed right before release, I can't remember which new champ it was last time that everyone was hype for tho

I'm confused... How is it "we always problems with amazing champs or buffs getting nerfed right before release" but you can't even remember a single one..

Pikolu

I wish we couldn't show the red guardian buff until later just to avoid this kind of problem, but remember that until the buff is released, it can be changed.

MarvelNoob

Demonzfyre said:

MarvelNoob said:

What would you rather have, an amazing buff shown to the community before a huge nerf,
Or
A perfectly balanced buff that's been play tested being shown to the community just a little bit later. Like have some people play test and then make adjustments before it's shown to the community right?

We ways have problems with amazing champs or buffs getting nerfed right before release, I can't remember which new champ it was last time that everyone was hype for tho

I'm confused... How is it "we always problems with amazing champs or buffs getting nerfed right before release" but you can't even remember a single one..

There are a lot of Champions in this game my friend. I just remember being super hype for an older champ that got nerfed before release, just forgot who it was

MarvelNoob

Pikolu said:

I wish we couldn't show the red guardian buff until later just to avoid this kind of problem, but remember that until the buff is released, it can be changed.

That's exactly what I was thinking

danielmath

i know nothing of the buff or nerf or anything but vega said he's better after the "nerf" so i'm optimistic

Emilia90

I have no idea what their thought process with Sandman was. Their initial buff for him was great and not broken in the slightest. What made them go for this version now is something that I’ll never understand

MarvelNoob

danielmath said:

i know nothing of the buff or nerf or anything but vega said he's better after the "nerf" so i'm optimistic

Pretty much he was amazing for both bgs and long fights but they nerfed his trauma to 50% which still makes him great for long fights, but hurts his bg viability.

I would've much rather had it stay at what it was before, then the next one would have potency reduced so he'd be more balanced all around.

Pikolu

MarvelNoob said:

danielmath said:

i know nothing of the buff or nerf or anything but vega said he's better after the "nerf" so i'm optimistic

Pretty much he was amazing for both bgs and long fights but they nerfed his trauma to 50% which still makes him great for long fights, but hurts his bg viability.

I would've much rather had it stay at what it was before, then the next one would have potency reduced so he'd be more balanced all around.

That's not true at all. They buffed the trauma from 80% to 100% but had the max stack go from 2 to 1 to make him more viable in BGs and less viable in long fights.

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slacker

So what are the change for red guardian ?

MarvelNoob

Pikolu said:

MarvelNoob said:

danielmath said:

i know nothing of the buff or nerf or anything but vega said he's better after the "nerf" so i'm optimistic

Pretty much he was amazing for both bgs and long fights but they nerfed his trauma to 50% which still makes him great for long fights, but hurts his bg viability.

I would've much rather had it stay at what it was before, then the next one would have potency reduced so he'd be more balanced all around.

That's not true at all. They buffed the trauma from 80% to 100% but had the max stack go from 2 to 1 to make him more viable in BGs and less viable in long fights.

Wait rly? I watched KT1 and thought that's what he said, brb

MarvelNoob

Ohhhh I misheard, so better in bgs worse in long fights ok 👍

My bad

Pikolu

MarvelNoob said:

Pikolu said:

MarvelNoob said:

danielmath said:

i know nothing of the buff or nerf or anything but vega said he's better after the "nerf" so i'm optimistic

Pretty much he was amazing for both bgs and long fights but they nerfed his trauma to 50% which still makes him great for long fights, but hurts his bg viability.

I would've much rather had it stay at what it was before, then the next one would have potency reduced so he'd be more balanced all around.

That's not true at all. They buffed the trauma from 80% to 100% but had the max stack go from 2 to 1 to make him more viable in BGs and less viable in long fights.

Wait rly? I watched KT1 and thought that's what he said, brb

KT1 isn't in the CCP and can't even try out the buff. I'd talk with those who actually get experience with the champion and not just hear about the champion. As of right now his change isn't live on the beta, but his damage will be basically the same, just changes the red numbers you'll be seeing.

The pros of the change is you need only 1 sp2 in his rotation so you hit max damage much faster.

The only con is 60% less red numbers damage.

He still is going to hit crazy hard and finish fights quickly

Here is a snippet of just a single heavy with an ascended r5 sig 55 red guardian. (Just pretend the red numbers match the yellow ones)

MarvelNoob

Sorry about that @Pikolu, reading back on my replies I feel like I gave off the wrong tone. Thanks for the help I really do appreciate it👍