The hardest/complex champ

Who do you think is the most hard or complex champ to play, in terms of reaching their full potential and utility?

Two in one question.

Who do you think is the complex champ that just don't pay off the effort to build and play in terms of utility and niche abilities?

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Ansh_A

Invisible Woman and Dani Moonstar come to mind. Too many things can go wrong with the ramp up.

I personally dont like Hela, Omega Sentinel and Adam Warlock ramp ups either but i cannot deny that the payoff is there with these characters.

JT_Supreme

Tigra 100%. If you master her spacing she’s one of the best champs in the game. I tend to miss heavy counters by a hair most of the time, but I wish I was good with her since she’s so potent.

Prof x is another one for longer content if you can keep the prowesses up.

Ourobøros

Forgot to tell mine.
I think one of the most complex ones for me is Abs Man. The light intercept sometimes works and sometimes you get smacked into the face with a full combo, or you hit the air or opponent's block, the last two being the most common to happen, and the build up and use of the morph charges are just too much for me to get. GIT GUD, I'm just terrible using him and it sucks because I made him r4 and he just sits there collecting dust.

ItsClobberinTime

Tigra is the obvious answer but I'm going to say Prof. X cause he's pretty close to Tigra when it comes to skill ceiling imo. You have to be very careful with the spacing when you go for the double prowess, if you're too close to the corner you can end up getting clipped.

Samanun

Probably kate or valk for the first question if you’re really comfortable with these champs you can completely control almost any fight

And maybe silk for the second question with silk you need the a.i the play into you all the time and unless you have her at pretty much the max rank possible you cant really kill anything these days even with the sp3 rotation you’ll just end up taking a sp3 and dying and to top it all off she doesn’t have much utility

ItsClobberinTime

Do you even have a Silk? I do, you don't need AI cooperation and the 7* kills anything in BGs with a single sp2 lol just plain wrong.

willrun4adonut

Is that why my r3 has been banned [on the metas I can use her]?

MarvelNoob

I don't understand the dani thing. All you do it build 10 combo, hold block, and then play aggressive. I've never had an issue with her rotation

ItsClobberinTime

If my Silk is annihilating at r1 yes even I would ban yours and sacrifice mine in the process, thank you very much 🙃

Ps. Totally unrelated but if you usually have an ascended Sinister in your deck I think I played against you in BGs a few months ago, boy was that annoying. Just wanted to get that off my chest lmao.

Samanun

Yes i do have a silk and i have on numerous occasions intercepted from the beginning of the fight all the way up to a sp2 with both fury’s active and it did not kill the defender

ItsClobberinTime

You're supposed to do four hits and charge heavy, not intercept.
Also, if the sp2 isn't killing this way either then that's probably just because of the 6* stats I suppose. I've killed r2 7* Mangogs withy r1 7* Silk in under 40 secs before.

Sw0rdMaster

Proxima Midnight is annoying to ramp up for me. I wish they allow her to complete the missions in any order like Corvus, instead of the required random order.

Samanun

I did do 4 hits and heavy like i said i had 2 furies when i dropped the sp2 and probably like 35-40 vulnerabilities and it didn't kill that’s why i said if she’s not near max rank she cant kill anything these days

ItsClobberinTime

I meant doing 4 hits and heavy the whole fight, don't intercept at all.
Also, is you Silk 6* or 7*?

IvarTheBoneless

Cassie lang for me. Seeing how well she can control a fight but also how mich skill is needed for it is awesome

Samanun

She’s 6* r4

Sachhyam257

Super Skrull's rotation is actually braindead, overly complicated, and offers mediocre dmg at best. I present to you, the super skrull manual:

*cosmic overload: when super skrull has 5 of the same buff or 10 buffs (5 same + 5 converted), he gains cosmic overload and a corresponding buff (which depends on the # of fury/ armor when cosmic overload triggers). He cannot gain his fury or armor while this is up.

1) Use basic attacks to get fury (build up to 5 max), BUT if you block you get an armor instead (which doesn't convert in the next step).

2) Once you have 5 furys, launch sp1 to convert furys into armors and refresh its duration; existing armors will not convert or refresh duration.

3) Again, build up furys and launch sp2 to convert the previously converted 5 armors back to furys.

4) If the converted fury + existing fury amount >8 & <10, you get the nova flame buff (inflict incinerate on all basics for 15s) when entering cosmic overload. However, if you have 5 existing furys and you try to convert 5 armor ups into fury with the sp2, it directly triggers cosmic overload without the nova flame buff. See the issue here? You have to set it up PERFECTLY to have 8 or 9 furys after sp2. It's dumb af.

Side Note: He can also inflict energy vuln debuff on the opponent, which does increase his incinerate dmg from nova flame, however the only way to trigger it is for the opponent to hit him while faltered (which has a long cooldown + difficult to align with nova flame). Not only that, it lasts for a grand total of 5s. Yes. Game-breaking stuff that.

He has synergies now that somewhat fix him, but no one has time for that let's be real.

captain_rogers

Corvus glaive in questing, you have to hit the block and try to kill the opponent before running the charges.

Tigra, I disagree. While she need high skill to reach complete potential, for bgs, you can just play her normally, punish opponent heavies, don't try to punish tough specials, instead miss the entire opponent specialz and throw your special to avoid getting intercepted.
With proper planning, you can reliably do this every fight.

Sachhyam257

I forgot to clarify that super skrull cannot trigger nova flame while in cosmic overload, only prior to that. Also, all non-converted buffs are removed when cosmic overload expires. Therefore, there is no way to build past 5 buffs without conversion. Also also, there is yet another technicality, if you convert 5 furys into armors with sp1 and get 5 more buffs BEFORE converting the armor with an sp2, you will trigger cosmic overload without nova flame.

G-Hun-Gear

Yes... Tigra is an absolute menace in BG... mine is still at r3 but she is still such a nuke and finishes a lot of annoying fights in under 30 sec! Abs Man, Maestro, Hulkling... All just breakfast for her!

AzKicker316

Do you heavy into your sp2? Do you have a relic on her and heavy into that before your sp2?

Corkscrew

You realize that in itself might be too much for many players because ... spacing.

Proper planning? This seems to be a point in favor of her having a high skill cap - not against.

If I see a high ranked Tigra, I usually ban her. Your average Tigra player is likely not your average player.

13579rebel_

Prof X

GrandOldKai

I was about to bring up Super Skrull, but someone already did

Yeah, he has absolutely poor payoff for what he wants a player to do.

Unless you use synergies, but that just feels... sad.

KingSkeletor

I think that the answers to those questions are genuinely champs that @Swedeah plays