Is WoW Abs Man Anti-DoT Node Working as Intended?

Wicket329

A lot of mechanics that I would not classify as DoT do not seem to be applying to this Abs Man, and it seems to be because of this node. These include but are not limited to:

Overseer - both Retaliation and Cosmic Cube burst damage
Vision (AoU) - specials do fully nothing
Warlock - Infections do not apply

I’m sure there are others, this is just a quick roundup I wanted to post to see if we could get a game team response as to whether this is intentional or not.

Siliyo

Warlock isn’t working as intended either @Kabam Crashed

Madman_marvin

He’s immune to passive damage over time. So Herc, R Hulk, all those types of champs are about worthless.

Wicket329

Madman_marvin said:

He’s immune to passive damage over time. So Herc, R Hulk, all those types of champs are about worthless.

Right, over time is how I read the node. But I would think that instant burst damage should still apply. And then you have things like with Vision where even the power control aspect of the special is turned off, so you can’t get heal block because you can’t reduce his power.

GroundedWisdom

Burst Damage isn't DoT.

Pikolu

Burst damage is a form of instant DoT, we already had this well known and established in the decay meta of war and BGs

GroundedWisdom

Instant DoT doesn't even make sense, but okay.

Wicket329

Pikolu said:

Burst damage is a form of instant DoT, we already had this well known and established in the decay meta of war and BGs

This is a helpful answer and I hate it ☹️

Noobmaster555

He is immune to passive damage so there will be no red damage.

SecondSkriller

Wicket329 said:

Madman_marvin said:

He’s immune to passive damage over time. So Herc, R Hulk, all those types of champs are about worthless.

Right, over time is how I read the node. But I would think that instant burst damage should still apply. And then you have things like with Vision where even the power control aspect of the special is turned off, so you can’t get heal block because you can’t reduce his power.

The node clearly says it includes all passive damage types, not just dot

GinjabredMonsta

Instant DoT sounds like an instant cop out

Demonzfyre

Madman_marvin said:

He’s immune to passive damage over time. So Herc, R Hulk, all those types of champs are about worthless.

Edit. Saw Pikolu's answer. Fully disagree that it counts as DoT.

Demonzfyre

Question then- If red numbers like from Rhulk is considered DoT, then why isn't basic attacks considered DoT?

ReignkingTW

GinjabredMonsta said:

Instant DoT sounds like an instant cop out

I mean...it's a burst. Literally not "over time".

Between this and abs man / instant bleeds I'm getting tired of it.

Pikolu

Demonzfyre said:

Question then- If red numbers like from Rhulk is considered DoT, then why isn't basic attacks considered DoT?

Because the game was coded that the burst damage isn't actually a burst, but a DoT with duration 0 or something like that so you get a 1 frame burst of damage. Game engine was created over 10 years ago, blame the people who made it that way, not the ones who have to use it that way now.

Terminatrix

Pikolu said:

Burst damage is a form of instant DoT, we already had this well known and established in the decay meta of war and BGs

Wtf is "instant damage over time"? 😂 They're contradicting each other

o_o

I’ll accept (because I have to) that, for the purposes of this fight, burst damage is a form of DoT. In return I hope Kabam can accept that this is silly and borderline nonsensical

Chuck_Finley

Pretty sure we just had the reverse discussion multiple times where Bullseye was hitting bleed immune champs with burst bleeds and the explanation was that was “ok”

It appears even abilities and related damage/immunities are pure RNG at this point. Why even bother writing descriptions? Just make it up as we go, amirite?

iDestroyerZ

Pikolu said:

Demonzfyre said:

Question then- If red numbers like from Rhulk is considered DoT, then why isn't basic attacks considered DoT?

Because the game was coded that the burst damage isn't actually a burst, but a DoT with duration 0 or something like that so you get a 1 frame burst of damage. Game engine was created over 10 years ago, blame the people who made it that way, not the ones who have to use it that way now.

Sound like a good reason to not have this node there then, maybe they could at least change the objective because this node filters almost all robots in the game, it's not a challenge -.- it's straight up bs

Chuck_Finley

o_o said:

I’ll accept (because I have to) that, for the purposes of this fight, burst damage is a form of DoT. In return I hope Kabam can accept that this is silly and borderline nonsensical

If burst damage is DOT then bullseye shouldn’t be causing bleed burst damage on bleed immune champs. Kabam needs to pick one… if we are going to have any logic in this discussion

Tedders

I just want to know why warlock's infection isn't working is it intended or a bug

Demonzfyre

Pikolu said:

Demonzfyre said:

Question then- If red numbers like from Rhulk is considered DoT, then why isn't basic attacks considered DoT?

Because the game was coded that the burst damage isn't actually a burst, but a DoT with duration 0 or something like that so you get a 1 frame burst of damage. Game engine was created over 10 years ago, blame the people who made it that way, not the ones who have to use it that way now.

Why can Void deal his passive damage?

Why can Spam deal burst damage from his porker poppers?

Can you ask the team that please? @Pikolu

o_o

This is shaping up to be the Winter of Whoa, as in WHOA Kabam you are testing my patience

🫣

Pikolu

Terminatrix said:

Pikolu said:

Burst damage is a form of instant DoT, we already had this well known and established in the decay meta of war and BGs

Wtf is "instant damage over time"? 😂 They're contradicting each other

That's where you went wrong kiddo, you used real world naming schemes and logic in a game. You can't think of DoT as Damage over Time, you just have to think of DoT as an object that a damage type, and a duration. The damage type can be many different things, including physical, energy, bleed...etc. Then the duration can be 0 seconds, 1 second, 2 seconds...etc.

The game engine goes, hey a DoT has been placed on the opponent, do some damage when it is initialized, and repeat that damage (or recalculate depending on implementation) every .5 seconds that the DoT is there.

That's the basic way the game likely sees DoTs. So the devs just tell red hulk to do a DoT of duration 0 and have the damage be based on how much damage the hit did.

Pikolu

Demonzfyre said:

Pikolu said:

Demonzfyre said:

Question then- If red numbers like from Rhulk is considered DoT, then why isn't basic attacks considered DoT?

Because the game was coded that the burst damage isn't actually a burst, but a DoT with duration 0 or something like that so you get a 1 frame burst of damage. Game engine was created over 10 years ago, blame the people who made it that way, not the ones who have to use it that way now.

Why can void deal his passive damage?

Why can Spam deal burst damage from his porker poppers?

Can you ask the team that please?

It is already well known that void doesn't do DoTs and that power stings aren't a DoT either. Void just looks to see if a debuff is on the opponent, and if there is a debuff on them, he inflicts direct damage to the opponent while it is on them. It is very different from a DoT in implementation

GinjabredMonsta

Tedders said:

I just want to know why warlock's infection isn't working is it intended or a bug

It’s sadly a bug

o_o

Pikolu said:

Terminatrix said:

Pikolu said:

Burst damage is a form of instant DoT, we already had this well known and established in the decay meta of war and BGs

Wtf is "instant damage over time"? 😂 They're contradicting each other

That's where you went wrong kiddo, you used real world naming schemes and logic in a game. You can't think of DoT as Damage over Time, you just have to think of DoT as an object that a damage type, and a duration. The damage type can be many different things, including physical, energy, bleed...etc. Then the duration can be 0 seconds, 1 second, 2 seconds...etc.

The game engine goes, hey a DoT has been placed on the opponent, do some damage when it is initialized, and repeat that damage (or recalculate depending on implementation) every .5 seconds that the DoT is there.

That's the basic way the game likely sees DoTs. So the devs just tell red hulk to do a DoT of duration 0 and have the damage be based on how much damage the hit did.

I can accept this as fact and still find it very obnoxious

Demonzfyre

Pikolu said:

Demonzfyre said:

Pikolu said:

Demonzfyre said:

Question then- If red numbers like from Rhulk is considered DoT, then why isn't basic attacks considered DoT?

Because the game was coded that the burst damage isn't actually a burst, but a DoT with duration 0 or something like that so you get a 1 frame burst of damage. Game engine was created over 10 years ago, blame the people who made it that way, not the ones who have to use it that way now.

Why can void deal his passive damage?

Why can Spam deal burst damage from his porker poppers?

Can you ask the team that please?

It is already well known that void doesn't do DoTs and that power stings aren't a DoT either. Void just looks to see if a debuff is on the opponent, and if there is a debuff on them, he inflicts direct damage to the opponent while it is on them. It is very different from a DoT in implementation

I understand all of that. But I don't understand how Rhulk's physical burst damage is different than burst damage from a porker popper.

Again, it might be well documented in high tiers AW but it's not a common topic amongst the rest of us.

Pikolu

Tedders said:

I just want to know why warlock's infection isn't working is it intended or a bug

That bug is getting fixed really soon. One of the nodes is causing all your attacks to count as non-contact.

GinjabredMonsta

Pikolu said:

Tedders said:

I just want to know why warlock's infection isn't working is it intended or a bug

That bug is getting fixed really soon. One of the nodes is causing all your attacks to count as non-contact.

Let’s hope

AtzeKrank

Pikolu said:

Demonzfyre said:

Question then- If red numbers like from Rhulk is considered DoT, then why isn't basic attacks considered DoT?

Because the game was coded that the burst damage isn't actually a burst, but a DoT with duration 0 or something like that so you get a 1 frame burst of damage. Game engine was created over 10 years ago, blame the people who made it that way, not the ones who have to use it that way now.

Assuming of 10y in, not changing this is just the right to blame anyone who is/was involved in this to this day.
If you know there are circumstances which arent working as intended you should get some work done to fix it.