New Carrina's challenges thoughts?

At a first glance, what's your views on the Challenges, Legacy I believe has smashed it out of the park, karate mikes, hmmmmmm bit of unit fest and slog not really player friendly, not going to be enjoyable, more of a chore.. Fintecs, I'll be skipping completely as it's not doable without a big spend and an absolute unit suck and will be completely unenjoyable, which is a shame I had really high hopes from a content creator I follow.. Note, I'm a paragon, with a decent roster, hasn't finished under quantum in bgs etc.. but that's just my view, I want to see some more..

Comments

Greekhit

The impact of our actions is more important than our intentions.
Whatever your intentions were, which in this case was to create an extremely difficult challenge, the outcome is that the community seems to not like it.
Maybe you didn’t had the experience or expertise to predict the reaction to this content, but Kabam should have protected you by not giving the green light for that.
After all this years the game running, they *should* have the experience to tell how an upcoming piece of content will be perceived by the community.
Again, the fault is not yours or any other content creator’s, the fault is from the person who is responsible to green light content to go live.

Fintech

I’m not denying that i play the game more than casual players but you’d be surprised. When we got the years stats i was towards the bottom of the total play time those around me had, some even doubled my time

ItsClobberinTime

Yeah but the problem is like I said, they can't claim the content isn't for everyone when there are interesting meaningful rewards locked behind it. When you do that, everyone will want to do it.

Again, I don't care about challenging or hard my guy, it's the fact that it's simply not fun and it's not like they can't make it fun. Lags' challenges look extremely fun but the others are just not it.

ItsClobberinTime

I don't deny that it has a lot to do with natural talent either, and I wouldn't be surprised if you don't have as many hours as other top players but again pretending the average player will have the same amount of investment in this game as you is kinda ridiculous. That was the only reason I said what I said earlier, I obviously know you don't play 24/7 but I wanted to make it very clear for that other person who brought up your name. The whole argument that "Fintech says it's soloable so it's fair" is just a very selfish argument imo.

ItsClobberinTime

Not trying to be a **** here but why are they prioritizing difficulty over fun again? There's a reason Act 6 got nerfed so many times Mike. Very few people enjoy content like that, you saw what happened after the WoW Abs Man fight was released, most people don't care about that type of content anymore why are they still doing it?

I understand the whole "then don't do it cause it's not for you" but like there are some nice meaningful rewards locked behind them... They can't just casually dangle those rewards in front of everyone and then be like "sorry it's not for you"

BigBlueOx

I think the biggest issue with your challenge is the rewards are not aligned with the resource cost but even more so the timing of when these challenges were released. I now realize that both those things were more decided by Kabam rather than you, and I’m left feeling that the team didn’t do what they shoulda have for the CCP members.

I don’t think you did yourself any favors in the initial comments, but I’m wondering what’s allowed to be said vs. not as well at this point.

I made this point earlier on this thread but it’s obvious that the level of challenge design ask from each CCP member seems to have been different. But maybe that’s a bad assumption on my part?

I just don’t understand why Kabam decided not to take the time to give us a timeline of when the challenges were designed and what the challenge targets were for the CCP members. It’s clear some parameters must have been presented here.

I actually am sympathetic though to the creators as the more I look at through the challenges and the more I hear about when these were meant to be released (apparently before revive nerf 2.0) it’s clear that these were meant to be fun and people would have had a chance to build up revives. This would have made the rewards more fair combated to investment and challenge.

I’m also getting more disappointed with Kabam the more I learn too. The team really let down the community, and seemingly let down some of its best creators too. I’m actually gonna make sure I’m subscribed to all three as these CCP members are all positive contributors to this community and my attitude 3 days later is Kabam telling us “this will be ultra hard” and thinking that was enough really is a fail and I’m stuck wondering when will they take communication seriously and do better.

ItsClobberinTime

This is exactly my issue with them saying it's optional. They want to bring back this type of content for people who enjoy doing it? Sure, give them pfps and titles, no big deal.
You can't however throw a 7* selector in there (with two insane champs btw) and then be like "but you don't have to do it"... Of course I wanna do it, I want that selector.

BringPopcorn

They are using the "it's not for everybody" and "it's optional" excuse way too often lately...

xLunatiXx

Add the "cost resources" on top.
Clearly something changed in the board room.

Zuko_ILC

First off no one should be personally attacking you or Fintech. It's childish and unwarranted. Both challenges are difficult which is what as asked from you. People are still angry over revive farming and they are taking it out on both of you which isn't fair. I don't think the rewards match the difficulty but thats not on either of you guys.

The personal hate is just ridiculous. Kabam does need to here the feedback because it's frustrating players that the challenges are gated for lots of players plus the use of rare resources to rank up champs to even attempt it isn't really fair so I understand why people are upset. If they want gated content they should provide the champs and resources in stages so you don't feel like your wasting those resources just for one challenge.

I hope you don't take any of the comments personally. Obviously all you guys are super skilled in this game but the majority of players aren't so they get upset. Everyone needs to take a step back and relax. I'm still unsure if I will rank up the champs and try it but it's my choice either way. I'm not forced to do anything.

Keep your heads up!

Zuko_ILC

Keep practicing them until you get good. The content isn't going away.

iDestroyerZ

I see what you did there xD i remember watching his livestream and there was like a particular path (can't remember which) and he had to make for the same path, 3-4 livestreams 2 hours+ each just to finish itemless lol it was painful and awesome to see at the same time

Thecurler

I don’t understand all the complaints in this thread tbh.
It’s optional end game content, so if it’s too resource demanding or not enjoyable, don’t do it… the rewards are hardly game changing and the deathless piece is relatively easy to get.

Looks like 100% completion of this content is aimed at the top tier sweatiest players… and that’s fine.

I’ve done the 7.3.6 challenge and that will do me for now. I might pick the rest up when the game is a little quieter at some point in the future.
If not I’m not going to lose any sleep over it.

I’m much more concerned about the bs we’re starting to see in day to day content.

ItsClobberinTime

Some people want that 7* selector, regardless of it being a game changer or not. They can't just casually dangle it like that and then go "it's not for you so don't do it", I want that Masacre but doing Mike's and Fintech's challenges feels more like a chore than a challenge because they're not fun. Why can't they just make game content fun? That's what most of us are complaining about in the comments, it's not the sweaty aspect of the challenges it's the fact that they're simply not fun.

Mauled

I’ve got quite mixed thoughts on these challenges.

The positives:
• Such direct engagement with content creators on a large piece of content is a big step for engagement, which is something that I think has lacked quite significantly in the past.
• Thematically, I love the idea of the OG Avengers vs Thanos theme and would love to see more pieces of themed content. the Starky challenges are fun and challenging but not a real resource sucker. I can’t comment on the Tigra challenges as I can’t use her right now, so I’m going to steer clear of that for now.
• This game does need challenging content, both for the top end players and to keep engagement with content creators on YouTube.

Middle ground:
• The effort/reward ratio is a bit off in my opinion, unless you really are on the level the very best players in the game. That said, this is aimed at those players and the rewards being a 6/10 means that players such as myself - I consider myself very good but not great - aren’t missing out on game changing resources.

The Negatives:
• These mainly focus on Mike’s I’m afraid: the realistic rank up requirements are very high for a single quest line. Ultimately you need them at R4+ or as a 7* unless you want something to be an awful revive fest. Hawkeye, BW, Antman and Thor are champs that are certainly not at the top of probably even in the top half, of most people’s rank up lists.
• The Avengers challenge which gives you the 2* Zemo doesn’t give you a 3/4/5* Zemo. I think that it would have been a very easy win to give at least a 3 and 4* Zemo with the rewards. They’re vital for this task but we barely get 3 or 4* shards these days so unless you did the arena whenever it rolled around you’re out of luck on that task. I can understand no 5* as we have 5* shard access growing on trees and dual crystals though as a rarity they’re very mid tier now it’s a low value piece of charity from Kabam’s perspective with a huge payout for content participation.

On balance, excellent idea and I love the selectors helping facilitate the completion of the other challenges - needed to give the full Zemo love though. I think this is a -nearly- there concept.

gohard123

No matter how much I practice football, I will never get to the level of players like Maradona, Messi or Ronaldinho. People just have innate talent

ItsClobberinTime

I'm not denying that, however implying that it's all talent and zero time investment and effort is not true either. Fintech obviously plays more than the average casual player, he himself admitted it already, and that's all I was arguing so.

gohard123

- You dont need all of them at R4.

- If you do not have 3/4 star Zemo then you should not be attempting these challenges. It is so easy to pick up these rarities that are in the arena milestones.

SandeepS

Enjoyed lags first challenge. It's doable,.every fight could be solid by more than just a few people which is was what I liked as motivation. I used units for the boss but felt like it was an accomplishment, don't feel that way about doing the others

gohard123

Yes they can and they should. LOL has Ultron, Necro has Maestro, Deathless champions are locked behind various challenges. Just because you deem some barriers easy enough to do doesnt mean there shouldnt be harder barriers. A lot of people couldnt get into gladiator's circuit, a lot of people cant get Maestro and a lot of people wont get 7* Sparky, S99 or Masacre. The world wont end neither will your account

Karatemike415

It’s genuinely impossible to not take it personally when people are actively going out of their way to literally make it personal 🤷🏻‍♀️
(Not really anybody in this thread, btw)

I’m a big boy, I’ll survive - but the toxicity thrown my way the past 48 hours has been truly mind boggling.

Mauled

Tell me when the next Zemo arena is.

Each champion’s arena pops up twice a year in the year of their release. After that it’s a lottery as to when they’ll next be featured, if ever. As time goes on, as 3 and 4 stars are phased out quicker and quicker in a player’s progression there’s a very big chance they’ll miss out on ever getting them.

I open more 6* crystals than I do 3 or 4*. I’m fairly sure I actually open more 7* than I do 3* or 4* crystals.

I’ve got a roster of 230+ 6* and 30+ 7*, I’m not exactly at the beginning of my MCoC career and there’s still 4* that I don’t have. Most are the more recent ones because I have missed a lot of arena lately, but there’s older ones there too. It’s farcical that a piece of content’s realistic completion could have its major limiting factors bound up in 3* and 4* champions especially. It’s a bit iffy that not having the 5* would be a limiting factor, but at least you can actively target them right now.

danielmath

Imagine being russell wilson….

Karatemike415

Dude, honestly, I couldn’t even begin to imagine hahahaha

HungaryHippo

Doing the challenges and the lessons I learn along the way is what's fun.

However, the rewards don't match the effort. Should have been two of each champ so we can get the duped.

gohard123

I have explained that barriers are not limited to difficulty but you clearly have cemented that misconception in your mind. You'd think that me referring to barriers rather than straight up saying difficulty would be simple to understand.
You do you bro.

GroundedWisdom

I wrote the book on it. You need thick skin. Explain yourself once, let go of the rest. The more you take things personally and react, the more things snowball. I only engage with people who actually want to discuss the issue presented. Anyone who is just being ignorant or personal is not worth engaging with. It's not going to end in any productive conversation.

ReignkingTW

Congrats on breaking 100k disagrees

GroundedWisdom

Wasn't a conscious effort, but thanks? Lol.

Marvel_G

The new Karina challenges suck. And Kabam can defend them as they please but honestly these so called creators missed the mark big time. And they have to deal with the community wrath because of it. What do they think was going to happen “ oh thank you for making these challenges I had resources and units I needed to waste for these mediocre rewards? Thanks “