Who to rank up for BGs overall

Savage123456789

Who do you think is more useful in BGs in general? and not just this upcoming meta. I have a 5* awakened max rank venom relic and a 6* R2 unawakened venom relic as well. I can only rank 1 up.

BeastDad

R5 Ascended CGR

Both have zero defensive value. But CGR has been more useful overall.

Rayven5220

R2 Venom

BeastDad said:

Both have zero defensive value. But CGR has been more useful overall.

My r2 venom has more often than not gotten kills on defense in bg's without a good counter.

One slip up usually spells death against him if not bleed immune.

He has alot more defensive value than CGR, anyways.

That said, it's hard to say who is more useful overall.

Cgr is a nuke. Venom only nukes if they aren't immune to bleed, but has more defensive value.

It completely depends on the rest of your roster.

Oakenshield

R2 Venom

CGR is great as an R4 - and the more so since he is ascended. I don’t think he really needs to be both to do what he does.

Venom, on the other hand, can benefit from the R2. Also, 7*’s are always my first choice at this point.

@SlayerOfGods is the expert of course - they may have something to say about this.

Savage123456789

Oakenshield said:

CGR is great as an R4 - and the more so since he is ascended. I don’t think he really needs to be both to do what he does.

Venom, on the other hand, can benefit from the R2. Also, 7*’s are always my first choice at this point.

@SlayerOfGods is the expert of course - they may have something to say about this.

The problem is when fighting big rosters with 7* R2 or R3 defenders, my R4 CGR won't be that good unless my opponent has a bad matchup. And I don't need both on my deck, whoever gets ranked up will go into my deck, the other one won't make it due to other champs that I already have ranked up.

Polygon

Savage123456789 said:

Oakenshield said:

CGR is great as an R4 - and the more so since he is ascended. I don’t think he really needs to be both to do what he does.

Venom, on the other hand, can benefit from the R2. Also, 7*’s are always my first choice at this point.

@SlayerOfGods is the expert of course - they may have something to say about this.

The problem is when fighting big rosters with 7* R2 or R3 defenders, my R4 CGR won't be that good unless my opponent has a bad matchup. And I don't need both on my deck, whoever gets ranked up will go into my deck, the other one won't make it due to other champs that I already have ranked up.

Saw a rumor that CGR was teased at getting a 7* so hold off for now. Though i think he takes on more meta defenders like KM, Maestro, Nick, Korg, Onslaught. Possibly bullseye/photon decently

Savage123456789

Rayven5220 said:

BeastDad said:

Both have zero defensive value. But CGR has been more useful overall.

My r2 venom has more often than not gotten kills on defense in bg's without a good counter.

One slip up usually spells death against him if not bleed immune.

He has alot more defensive value than CGR, anyways.

That said, it's hard to say who is more useful overall.

Cgr is a nuke. Venom only nukes if they aren't immune to bleed, but has more defensive value.

It completely depends on the rest of your roster.

My overall roster is balanced when it comes to offense and defense. I don't have the newer shiny defenders like onslaught and bullseye though. Maybe venom is better since he has some defensive value? I'll have to sleep on it, I still have sometime before level up comes and BG store gets updated before I make my rank up

Savage123456789

Polygon said:

Savage123456789 said:

Oakenshield said:

CGR is great as an R4 - and the more so since he is ascended. I don’t think he really needs to be both to do what he does.

Venom, on the other hand, can benefit from the R2. Also, 7*’s are always my first choice at this point.

@SlayerOfGods is the expert of course - they may have something to say about this.

The problem is when fighting big rosters with 7* R2 or R3 defenders, my R4 CGR won't be that good unless my opponent has a bad matchup. And I don't need both on my deck, whoever gets ranked up will go into my deck, the other one won't make it due to other champs that I already have ranked up.

Saw a rumor that CGR was teased at getting a 7* so hold off for now. Though i think he takes on more meta defenders like KM, Maestro, Nick, Korg, Onslaught. Possibly bullseye/photon decently

This was just a leak that is unlikely to happen right now. We'll see on Monday when the updates comes in if he's in the game files or not

Polygon

Savage123456789 said:

Oakenshield said:

CGR is great as an R4 - and the more so since he is ascended. I don’t think he really needs to be both to do what he does.

Venom, on the other hand, can benefit from the R2. Also, 7*’s are always my first choice at this point.

@SlayerOfGods is the expert of course - they may have something to say about this.

The problem is when fighting big rosters with 7* R2 or R3 defenders, my R4 CGR won't be that good unless my opponent has a bad matchup. And I don't need both on my deck, whoever gets ranked up will go into my deck, the other one won't make it due to other champs that I already have ranked up.

One other issue that holds back CGR a lot in BGs is whether he can even work or not in the BGs meta.

For example if you can’t do full 5 hit combos or to a lesser extent if you can’t parry or stun to get his heavy in. Like for instance window of opportunity stun- he’d have a hard time even making it into the deck compared to cosmics like Galan or Herc etc.

This is CGRs biggest detriment.

captain_rogers

R2 Venom

Cgr needs a specific playstyle and a lot of room to mess it up.

Venom works if opponents bleed. My r3 Venom kills most defender in 20-30 seconds.

SlayerOfGods

Oakenshield said:

@SlayerOfGods is the expert of course - they may have something to say about this.

R4 Ascended or R5 Unascended CGR is plenty for now. I'm admittedly not too familiar with Venom's effectiveness, but I've seen a lot of anti-CGR propaganda (joke) in this thread so maybe I should invest in my 7-Star Venom lol.

mmartin5817

R2 Venom

Venom at r3 is a decent defender that most people dismiss. If you have a 5 or 6* duped venom relic to go with him he’d be my choice. Cgr is good too

BeastDad

R5 Ascended CGR

Rayven5220 said:

BeastDad said:

Both have zero defensive value. But CGR has been more useful overall.

My r2 venom has more often than not gotten kills on defense in bg's without a good counter.

One slip up usually spells death against him if not bleed immune.

He has alot more defensive value than CGR, anyways.

That said, it's hard to say who is more useful overall.

Cgr is a nuke. Venom only nukes if they aren't immune to bleed, but has more defensive value.

It completely depends on the rest of your roster.

Then you are playing some of the worst opponents in history. Venom is a beyond easy kill unless the meta is in his favor. (Which is rare )

At r2 vs r5 ascended CGR is overall better in BG’s. That’s not taking anything away from the greatest character in marvel history, it just is what it is.

Polygon

SlayerOfGods said:

Oakenshield said:

@SlayerOfGods is the expert of course - they may have something to say about this.

R4 Ascended or R5 Unascended CGR is plenty for now. I'm admittedly not too familiar with Venom's effectiveness, but I've seen a lot of anti-CGR propaganda (joke) in this thread so maybe I should invest in my 7-Star Venom lol.

Without any points in petrify, and at rank 5, if you do heavy then power gain then vigilance does that take you to 2 bars of power?

If so, you can argue that r5 non ascended over r4 ascended is preferred

SlayerOfGods

Polygon said:

SlayerOfGods said:

Oakenshield said:

@SlayerOfGods is the expert of course - they may have something to say about this.

R4 Ascended or R5 Unascended CGR is plenty for now. I'm admittedly not too familiar with Venom's effectiveness, but I've seen a lot of anti-CGR propaganda (joke) in this thread so maybe I should invest in my 7-Star Venom lol.

Without any points in petrify, and at rank 5, if you do heavy then power gain then vigilance does that take you to 2 bars of power?

If so, you can argue that r5 non ascended over r4 ascended is preferred

Sorry, but your comment about the Petrify Mastery and the Combat Power Rate each champ gets per Rank shows that you still don't understand the difference between what those 2 things actually do. I tried explaining it to you in another thread almost a month ago, so I'm going to post it here again (apologies if this comes across as curt - I don't know the best way to phrase it, but the distinction is important).



To answer your question, you want points in Petrify at all times - it reduces the opponents Combat Power Rate.

R3 or higher with CGR gives him enough Combat Power Rate to reach Special 2 by doing H, MLLLL, MLLLM. So R4 Ascended or R5 Unascended doesn't really matter much for that purpose, other than damage.

SlayerOfGods

Savage123456789 said:

Oakenshield said:

CGR is great as an R4 - and the more so since he is ascended. I don’t think he really needs to be both to do what he does.

Venom, on the other hand, can benefit from the R2. Also, 7*’s are always my first choice at this point.

@SlayerOfGods is the expert of course - they may have something to say about this.

The problem is when fighting big rosters with 7* R2 or R3 defenders, my R4 CGR won't be that good unless my opponent has a bad matchup. And I don't need both on my deck, whoever gets ranked up will go into my deck, the other one won't make it due to other champs that I already have ranked up.

I don't think that I can personally tell you in good conscience to Rank Up and use Venom over CGR.

They're both very good, but if you know what you're doing, CGR is leagues ahead of Venom.

Rayven5220

R2 Venom

BeastDad said:

Rayven5220 said:

BeastDad said:

Both have zero defensive value. But CGR has been more useful overall.

My r2 venom has more often than not gotten kills on defense in bg's without a good counter.

One slip up usually spells death against him if not bleed immune.

He has alot more defensive value than CGR, anyways.

That said, it's hard to say who is more useful overall.

Cgr is a nuke. Venom only nukes if they aren't immune to bleed, but has more defensive value.

It completely depends on the rest of your roster.

Then you are playing some of the worst opponents in history. Venom is a beyond easy kill unless the meta is in his favor. (Which is rare )

At r2 vs r5 ascended CGR is overall better in BG’s. That’s not taking anything away from the greatest character in marvel history, it just is what it is.

Lol, nobody plays perfectly every fight.

It's not like I said I always place him on defense, but let me tell you that the few times I have, and the other player has slipped up and gotten combed, they die fast.
Hence why I said he has more defensive value than CGR.

Polygon

SlayerOfGods said:

Polygon said:

SlayerOfGods said:

Oakenshield said:

@SlayerOfGods is the expert of course - they may have something to say about this.

R4 Ascended or R5 Unascended CGR is plenty for now. I'm admittedly not too familiar with Venom's effectiveness, but I've seen a lot of anti-CGR propaganda (joke) in this thread so maybe I should invest in my 7-Star Venom lol.

Without any points in petrify, and at rank 5, if you do heavy then power gain then vigilance does that take you to 2 bars of power?

If so, you can argue that r5 non ascended over r4 ascended is preferred

Sorry, but your comment about the Petrify Mastery and the Combat Power Rate each champ gets per Rank shows that you still don't understand the difference between what those 2 things actually do. I tried explaining it to you in another thread almost a month ago, so I'm going to post it here again (apologies if this comes across as curt - I don't know the best way to phrase it, but the distinction is important).



To answer your question, you want points in Petrify at all times - it reduces the opponents Combat Power Rate.

R3 or higher with CGR gives him enough Combat Power Rate to reach Special 2 by doing H, MLLLL, MLLLM. So R4 Ascended or R5 Unascended doesn't really matter much for that purpose, other than damage.

Theres a reason i asked it again because that post only talks about it with points in petrify. I cant fit any points in that mastery right now, so i was just curious if the added 5% combat rate from r5 to r4 lets YOU get to the sp2 before they get to a single bar of power via the H, light ender, medium ender method