Ironheart is underpowered and boring. Change my mind.

Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 886 ★★★★
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Please. I can’t pull Bullseye or Onslaught for the life of me, but my Ironheart is like sig 100.
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  • JT_SupremeJT_Supreme Member Posts: 1,250 ★★★★
    That’s okay
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 4,821 ★★★★★
    Good
  • JLordVileJJLordVileJ Member Posts: 4,881 ★★★★★
    Do you know how happy I would be if that happened to me?
  • Caprice88Caprice88 Member Posts: 33 ★
    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Please. I can’t pull Bullseye or Onslaught for the life of me, but my Ironheart is like sig 100.

    altavista spoke facts, you have misplaced priorities go watch a bullseye damage rotation and ul see he is a pure defensive champ with some util, while he is great at what he does this game is very complex and u will need a good offense+defense. u say u want onslaught which leads me to think that u see him as a defensive threat since u paired him up with bullseye. well the champ you already have (ironheart) counters onslaught effortlessly.

    she is not a new beyond god tier but she is up there, be happy with what u got broski it aint that bad at the end of the day :]
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,188 ★★★★★
    She's actually quite good, however her utility is still quite average in the tech class. Tracking, prowess removal, DOT, etc. Like the only unique thing about her is her pre fight to change from incinerate to rupture.
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  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 886 ★★★★
    Speak on it, bro. That’s helpful, thx.
  • SecondSkrillerSecondSkriller Member Posts: 1,339 ★★★★★
    altavista said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Please. I can’t pull Bullseye or Onslaught for the life of me, but my Ironheart is like sig 100.

    The fact that you want Bullseye (primarily a champion you won’t use but just to place on defense) over Iron Heart (a champion you will use) shows a kind of misplaced priority. Even if someone were to sell you on how good Iron Heart is, it still wont do anything for you since you care just about defense.
    Someone’s underestimating Bullseye on offense…
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 4,821 ★★★★★
    You got the wrong number but congrats
  • PT_99PT_99 Member Posts: 4,821 ★★★★★
    edited March 19
    Terminatrix said:

    Herbal_Taxman said:

    Please. I can’t pull Bullseye or Onslaught for the life of me, but my Ironheart is like sig 100.

    I got all 3 😁 Don't sleep on iheart.





    You got the wrong number but congrats
  • Supersha7Supersha7 Member Posts: 259 ★★★
    Am I missing something.?

    How does she counter onslaught?

    She can’t remove neuroshock because she’s metal
    She can’t prevent crushed - you still get hit with unblockable basic attacks when it’s up, despite supposedly 150% aa reduction.
    She can’t prevent daunted.

    That’s most of the annoying stuff that onslaught does. And she can’t handle any of it.
    mbrace said:

    She’s the only tech that can keep incinerate up indefinitely and therefore can get pauses from the Sentinel relic at all times. Don’t tell me that OS does this, because the incinerates take a while to put on, don’t last long, and are often plasmas instead. As for utility: incinerate and coldsnap immune, reverse controls immune, parries non-contact hits, first medium doesn’t make contact and cannot be evaded (like IMIW), easy heal block with despair, blocks unblockable specials from mutants, reliably counters miss, is very tanky, removes prowess, switches to rupture so that nobody can be fully immune to her, and counters Photon, Korg, Dust, and Onslaught. Combine this with her crazy damage, and she’s a fantastic tech champ.

  • Supersha7Supersha7 Member Posts: 259 ★★★
    Oh wait. She can handle his sp2 reverse control if she has armor up. So..one thing?
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 10,131 ★★★★★
    @Supersha7 She can also parry non contact hits.can apply ruptures for damage. Onslaught cannot apply duanter since his ability accuracy is reduced when hitting into ironheart block

    Not the best onslaught counter cuz you still can't purify his neuroshocks.
  • PandingoPandingo Member Posts: 1,112 ★★★★
    She stronk
  • LokxLokx Member Posts: 1,435 ★★★★
    Supersha7 said:

    Am I missing something.?

    How does she counter onslaught?

    She can’t remove neuroshock because she’s metal
    She can’t prevent crushed - you still get hit with unblockable basic attacks when it’s up, despite supposedly 150% aa reduction.
    She can’t prevent daunted.

    That’s most of the annoying stuff that onslaught does. And she can’t handle any of it.


    mbrace said:

    She’s the only tech that can keep incinerate up indefinitely and therefore can get pauses from the Sentinel relic at all times. Don’t tell me that OS does this, because the incinerates take a while to put on, don’t last long, and are often plasmas instead. As for utility: incinerate and coldsnap immune, reverse controls immune, parries non-contact hits, first medium doesn’t make contact and cannot be evaded (like IMIW), easy heal block with despair, blocks unblockable specials from mutants, reliably counters miss, is very tanky, removes prowess, switches to rupture so that nobody can be fully immune to her, and counters Photon, Korg, Dust, and Onslaught. Combine this with her crazy damage, and she’s a fantastic tech champ.

    She can prevent daunted. You need to have the tracking passive on him to reduce ability accuracy and parry non contact. Once you have that you can parry without gaining daunted.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 8,188 ★★★★★
    edited June 11
    Supersha7 said:

    Am I missing something.?

    How does she counter onslaught?

    She can’t remove neuroshock because she’s metal
    She can’t prevent crushed - you still get hit with unblockable basic attacks when it’s up, despite supposedly 150% aa reduction.
    She can’t prevent daunted.

    That’s most of the annoying stuff that onslaught does. And she can’t handle any of it.


    mbrace said:

    She’s the only tech that can keep incinerate up indefinitely and therefore can get pauses from the Sentinel relic at all times. Don’t tell me that OS does this, because the incinerates take a while to put on, don’t last long, and are often plasmas instead. As for utility: incinerate and coldsnap immune, reverse controls immune, parries non-contact hits, first medium doesn’t make contact and cannot be evaded (like IMIW), easy heal block with despair, blocks unblockable specials from mutants, reliably counters miss, is very tanky, removes prowess, switches to rupture so that nobody can be fully immune to her, and counters Photon, Korg, Dust, and Onslaught. Combine this with her crazy damage, and she’s a fantastic tech champ.

    She’s meant to be an alright onslaught counter. Yes she’s metal, and cannot prevent the Crushed but she can parry non contacts and can change her damage from incinerate to rupture. It’s not like how IDoom destroys Bishop
  • BeastDadBeastDad Member Posts: 1,971 ★★★★★
    She should have been designed as a true hard counter for Onslaught.

    She falls into the good category but not elite camp.
  • TerminatrixTerminatrix Member Posts: 3,140 ★★★★★
    BeastDad said:

    She should have been designed as a true hard counter for Onslaught.

    She falls into the good category but not elite camp.

    Her being a true hard counter would have been a game changer!
  • ThePredator1001ThePredator1001 Member Posts: 963 ★★★★
    Magrailothos said:

    Supersha7 said:

    Am I missing something.?

    How does she counter onslaught?

    She can’t remove neuroshock because she’s metal
    She can’t prevent crushed - you still get hit with unblockable basic attacks when it’s up, despite supposedly 150% aa reduction.
    She can’t prevent daunted.

    That’s most of the annoying stuff that onslaught does. And she can’t handle any of it.


    mbrace said:

    She’s the only tech that can keep incinerate up indefinitely and therefore can get pauses from the Sentinel relic at all times. Don’t tell me that OS does this, because the incinerates take a while to put on, don’t last long, and are often plasmas instead. As for utility: incinerate and coldsnap immune, reverse controls immune, parries non-contact hits, first medium doesn’t make contact and cannot be evaded (like IMIW), easy heal block with despair, blocks unblockable specials from mutants, reliably counters miss, is very tanky, removes prowess, switches to rupture so that nobody can be fully immune to her, and counters Photon, Korg, Dust, and Onslaught. Combine this with her crazy damage, and she’s a fantastic tech champ.

    She actually does counter several of his abilities. However, he's a slightly unique Mutant (like Red Magneto is, too) designed to resist being countered, in return.

    To be honest, I'd be surprised to see a full counter to Onslaught very soon.

    Ironheart can bypass his Incinerate resistance by switching to Rupture debuffs. Notably, Onslaught has negative physical resistance, so they'll do more damage than usual.

    She can't parry him at the start of the match; but once she's got Tracking up (six debuffs) she can Parry freely without collecting Daunted debuffs. So that just needs a little work, but is easy to maintain.

    If you need to block his SP1 (and haven't been practicing like crazy to dodge it in SoS), she'll reduce Onslaught's Neuroshocks/Organic Magnetism through block by half (he has 150% chance to Inflict them, which she reduces by 100%, leaving him a 50% chance).

    If she blocks a few hits in that way, as long as she's not Daunted, she can Willpower heal from Magnetism debuffs, to offset Neuroshock damage.

    As long as she's got Armour (which Onslaught can't remove, except via a Quest node), she can ignore the reversed controls on his SP2.

    As for the rest of the utility you can get out of her, here's Simula's video:
    https://youtu.be/FahvcjMwD7Q?si=rtZftz39P7VHdMuu
    She is a great counter for Onslaught but I still think the match up is bugged, she’s supposed to reduce offensive ability accuracy for mutants by 150% which should perfectly shut down onslaughts sp1 but for some reason it doesn’t work that way. I made a post about it but Kabam never responded to it.
  • TerminatrixTerminatrix Member Posts: 3,140 ★★★★★
    ThePredator1001 said:

    Magrailothos said:

    Supersha7 said:

    Am I missing something.?

    How does she counter onslaught?

    She can’t remove neuroshock because she’s metal
    She can’t prevent crushed - you still get hit with unblockable basic attacks when it’s up, despite supposedly 150% aa reduction.
    She can’t prevent daunted.

    That’s most of the annoying stuff that onslaught does. And she can’t handle any of it.


    mbrace said:

    She’s the only tech that can keep incinerate up indefinitely and therefore can get pauses from the Sentinel relic at all times. Don’t tell me that OS does this, because the incinerates take a while to put on, don’t last long, and are often plasmas instead. As for utility: incinerate and coldsnap immune, reverse controls immune, parries non-contact hits, first medium doesn’t make contact and cannot be evaded (like IMIW), easy heal block with despair, blocks unblockable specials from mutants, reliably counters miss, is very tanky, removes prowess, switches to rupture so that nobody can be fully immune to her, and counters Photon, Korg, Dust, and Onslaught. Combine this with her crazy damage, and she’s a fantastic tech champ.

    She actually does counter several of his abilities. However, he's a slightly unique Mutant (like Red Magneto is, too) designed to resist being countered, in return.

    To be honest, I'd be surprised to see a full counter to Onslaught very soon.

    Ironheart can bypass his Incinerate resistance by switching to Rupture debuffs. Notably, Onslaught has negative physical resistance, so they'll do more damage than usual.

    She can't parry him at the start of the match; but once she's got Tracking up (six debuffs) she can Parry freely without collecting Daunted debuffs. So that just needs a little work, but is easy to maintain.

    If you need to block his SP1 (and haven't been practicing like crazy to dodge it in SoS), she'll reduce Onslaught's Neuroshocks/Organic Magnetism through block by half (he has 150% chance to Inflict them, which she reduces by 100%, leaving him a 50% chance).

    If she blocks a few hits in that way, as long as she's not Daunted, she can Willpower heal from Magnetism debuffs, to offset Neuroshock damage.

    As long as she's got Armour (which Onslaught can't remove, except via a Quest node), she can ignore the reversed controls on his SP2.

    As for the rest of the utility you can get out of her, here's Simula's video:
    https://youtu.be/FahvcjMwD7Q?si=rtZftz39P7VHdMuu
    She is a great counter for Onslaught but I still think the match up is bugged, she’s supposed to reduce offensive ability accuracy for mutants by 150% which should perfectly shut down onslaughts sp1 but for some reason it doesn’t work that way. I made a post about it but Kabam never responded to it.
    That's the confusing, ongoing circle of the Catch 22 conflict between Magneto, Onslaught, and Ironheart. She is supposed to reduce their abilities, but she's metal and they control metal champs by reducing THEIR abilities.
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