After Showcase, are you pushing for top tier war?

One of the objectives of showcase was to present the player base not in top tier war with a taste of what you will face. So for those not in a top tier alliance, are you planning to push to join a top alliance after this Showcase event?

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Beewee

Bad example of top tier war. You usually dont take 8-9 fights in one war lol

Priyabrata

I don't play aw that much but I'm certain from the videos of several content creators that this isn't really a very good example of how Aw works
Firstly: the maxed out masteries is just not how things happen, secondly one member doesn't have to take 8 fights and a boss by themselves.
ALSO THERES NO BOOSTS

BitterSteel

Bad example of top tier war. You usually dont take 8-9 fights in one war lol

You have 4 champs for 7 fights, which is 1.75 per champ. In war with 3 champs that would be 5.25 fights, when the average is 5 per player. I'd say that's pretty close.

7 fights because the champ choice means you get 1 free unused one for the boss.

Nemesis_17

I have no t1 war experience but this does not look like the best representative of your average t1 war.

As beewee said you’ll rarely take 8 fights per war and some of them are incredibly difficult and not just a nothing path fight. The difficulty difference between the sassy or photon fights compared to venom is ridiculous. Maybe if they had picked some slightly easier fights for the boss and mini bosses it would’ve been more encouraging and realistic. I doubt a player trying high tier war for the first time will debut with a 1m health photon boss.

But for me personally I wouldn’t do high tier AW anyway just from the pressure.

Deacon

One of the objectives of showcase was to present the player base not in top tier war with a taste of what you will face. So for those not in a top tier alliance, are you planning to push to join a top alliance after this Showcase event?

Where did Kabam say that was one of the objectives? I read the announcement post and it didn't say anything about giving people a "taste" of what top tier war is. I felt like it was just a walk down memory lane more or less. Giving folks who don't war, a look at it .. and those who do war ... a fun blast in the past.

So no .. it's not making me want to push for top war lol. I certainly hope Kabam isn't trying to motivate people to join top alliances. If they have indeed said that somewhere then ... wow.

BitterSteel

One of the objectives of showcase was to present the player base not in top tier war with a taste of what you will face. So for those not in a top tier alliance, are you planning to push to join a top alliance after this Showcase event?
Where did Kabam say that was one of the objectives?

"Experience the thrill of fighting powerful Defender placements from Master Tier Wars." in release notes.
https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/v43-1-release-notes/

Toproller89

Absolute L content that Kabam put out to waste our revives and energy refills, I'm not interested.

Deacon

One of the objectives of showcase was to present the player base not in top tier war with a taste of what you will face. So for those not in a top tier alliance, are you planning to push to join a top alliance after this Showcase event?
Where did Kabam say that was one of the objectives?
"Experience the thrill of fighting powerful Defender placements from Master Tier Wars." in release notes.
https://playcontestofchampions.com/news/v43-1-release-notes/

ahhhhh the release notes ... thanks mate. well uhhh ok .. I'll give them a pass because I enjoyed the content .. people should ignore the intent of it.

but man ... that's it? this is what Master Tier alliances deal with? maybe I should be up there lol because it was just what I deal with in T4 wars more or less. and I had no issues at all. one of the better thought out and put together experiences this year in my opinion.

jcphillips7

Sure, sign me up. I'll be honest though, I'm just here for the rewards and growing my own account.

Gator wants some walking-around money!

So maybe like spot 18-20 of Masters. Keep me as the guy who does normal paths. It'd be rude of me to get in the way of the overachievers who prefer 7-8 fights a War

I'll do my own contribution when it comes to monetary events.

Emilia90

I actually liked doing this just as solo content once but there’s no way I’d want to do this multiple times with my ally lol

Polygon

Bad example of top tier war. You usually dont take 8-9 fights in one war lol
You have 4 champs for 7 fights, which is 1.75 per champ. In war with 3 champs that would be 5.25 fights, when the average is 5 per player. I'd say that's pretty close.

7 fights because the champ choice means you get 1 free unused one for the boss.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to achieve, there was nothing wrong with what they said and that player that commented probably does higher war than you. If even he voted no, and 95% of everyone else that voted on the poll, then maybe just admit that it was a bit too much for its original intent instead of the typical “git gud” mindset?

jcphillips7

Bad example of top tier war. You usually dont take 8-9 fights in one war lol
You have 4 champs for 7 fights, which is 1.75 per champ. In war with 3 champs that would be 5.25 fights, when the average is 5 per player. I'd say that's pretty close.

7 fights because the champ choice means you get 1 free unused one for the boss.

Bad example of top tier war. You usually dont take 8-9 fights in one war lol
You have 4 champs for 7 fights, which is 1.75 per champ. In war with 3 champs that would be 5.25 fights, when the average is 5 per player. I'd say that's pretty close.

7 fights because the champ choice means you get 1 free unused one for the boss.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to achieve, there was nothing wrong with what they said and that player that commented probably does higher war than you. If even he voted no, and 95% of everyone else that voted on the poll, then maybe just admit that it was a bit too much for its original intent instead of the typical “git gud” mindset?

Bitter is in SSX. That's like top 5 alliance. It doesn't get much higher.

BitterSteel

Bad example of top tier war. You usually dont take 8-9 fights in one war lol
You have 4 champs for 7 fights, which is 1.75 per champ. In war with 3 champs that would be 5.25 fights, when the average is 5 per player. I'd say that's pretty close.

7 fights because the champ choice means you get 1 free unused one for the boss.

Bad example of top tier war. You usually dont take 8-9 fights in one war lol
You have 4 champs for 7 fights, which is 1.75 per champ. In war with 3 champs that would be 5.25 fights, when the average is 5 per player. I'd say that's pretty close.

7 fights because the champ choice means you get 1 free unused one for the boss.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to achieve, there was nothing wrong with what they said and that player that commented probably does higher war than you. If even he voted no, and 95% of everyone else that voted on the poll, then maybe just admit that it was a bit too much for its original intent instead of the typical “git gud” mindset?

If you could explain how what I said was a “git gud” mindset I’d appreciate it.

I’m pointing out that although Beewee is right that generally players don’t take 8 fights a war, in alliance war we only have 3 champions. There are 50 fights for a BG to take, so an average of 5 per player, with 3 champ slots means you need to take 1.6 fights per champ brought.

In this quest, we have 7 fights to take with 4 champions. Which is 1.75 fights per champ. So because we have an extra champ, it’s closer to the amount that your team is stretched than is implied by the number of fights that Beewee mentioned.

As for “probably does higher war than you”. Firstly, I’m literally just quoting numbers, I’m not sure why anyone needs to be a specific level of war to be able to count. And secondly, although Beewee is in GT40, the best war alliance in the game, our alliances matched this war so we at least do the same level of masters tier war lol. We came 4th last season, so I think I’m good on the level of war front. If my opinion doesn’t matter because Beewee is above me in war, then wouldn’t your opinion not matter because I’m above you?

Suros_moon

Bad example of top tier war. You usually dont take 8-9 fights in one war lol
You have 4 champs for 7 fights, which is 1.75 per champ. In war with 3 champs that would be 5.25 fights, when the average is 5 per player. I'd say that's pretty close.

7 fights because the champ choice means you get 1 free unused one for the boss.

Bad example of top tier war. You usually dont take 8-9 fights in one war lol
You have 4 champs for 7 fights, which is 1.75 per champ. In war with 3 champs that would be 5.25 fights, when the average is 5 per player. I'd say that's pretty close.

7 fights because the champ choice means you get 1 free unused one for the boss.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to achieve, there was nothing wrong with what they said and that player that commented probably does higher war than you. If even he voted no, and 95% of everyone else that voted on the poll, then maybe just admit that it was a bit too much for its original intent instead of the typical “git gud” mindset?
If you could explain how what I said was a “git gud” mindset I’d appreciate it.

I’m pointing out that although Beewee is right that generally players don’t take 8 fights a war, in alliance war we only have 3 champions. There are 50 fights for a BG to take, so an average of 5 per player, with 3 champ slots means you need to take 1.6 fights per champ brought.

In this quest, we have 7 fights to take with 4 champions. Which is 1.75 fights per champ. So because we have an extra champ, it’s closer to the amount that your team is stretched than is implied by the number of fights that Beewee mentioned.

As for “probably does higher war than you”. Firstly, I’m literally just quoting numbers, I’m not sure why anyone needs to be a specific level of war to be able to count. And secondly, although Beewee is in GT40, the best war alliance in the game, our alliances matched this war so we at least do the same level of masters tier war lol. We came 4th last season, so I think I’m good on the level of war front. If my opinion doesn’t matter because Beewee is above me in war, then wouldn’t your opinion not matter because I’m above you?

I think the stronger criticism is that these fights were disjointed in a way that doesn’t resemble a path in war which are typically thematic. Granted this is somewhat made up for in the fact that champs like titania can cover a number of fights, its really odd to use an almost random assortment of champs who happen to be sugar pill tossed on random hard nodes to represent the feeling of high tier war which is far more compartmentalized. Its not unusual to see an entire path made up of fights one champion can counter alone

Rayven5220

Bad example of top tier war. You usually dont take 8-9 fights in one war lol
You have 4 champs for 7 fights, which is 1.75 per champ. In war with 3 champs that would be 5.25 fights, when the average is 5 per player. I'd say that's pretty close.

7 fights because the champ choice means you get 1 free unused one for the boss.

Bad example of top tier war. You usually dont take 8-9 fights in one war lol
You have 4 champs for 7 fights, which is 1.75 per champ. In war with 3 champs that would be 5.25 fights, when the average is 5 per player. I'd say that's pretty close.

7 fights because the champ choice means you get 1 free unused one for the boss.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to achieve, there was nothing wrong with what they said and that player that commented probably does higher war than you. If even he voted no, and 95% of everyone else that voted on the poll, then maybe just admit that it was a bit too much for its original intent instead of the typical “git gud” mindset?

Tell me you don't know who Bittersteel is, without telling me you don't know who Bittersteel is. 🤣🤣🤣

Pretty sure he's in higher tier wars than all of us. Just saying, he may know a thing or two.

There may not be a Ron of people on the forums in tier one wars, but I can assure you, they do exist on the forums.

Pikolu

🟩 No, was never interested in the first place.

I feel this represents how I feel better.

Skyfaw

As someone who has a lot of T1 experience I should mention that the showcase is not an accurate representation of what high tier war is about.

For instance it’s very rare if ever you’re taking 9 fights you got 9 other teammates helping you clear the field. You’re also not facing r3 7* sig 200 defenders all over the map unless it’s TCN. Lastly a lot of those fights are on different paths so you’re not having to put together a team where you’d have to take a sketchy fight with not an ideal counter.

Suros_moon

As someone who has a lot of T1 experience I should mention that the showcase is not an accurate representation of what high tier war is about.

For instance it’s very rare if ever you’re taking 9 fights you got 9 other teammates helping you clear the field. You’re also not facing r3 7* sig 200 defenders all over the map unless it’s TCN. Lastly a lot of those fights are on different paths so you’re not having to put together a team where you’d have to take a sketchy fight with not an ideal counter.

I think this is the huge issue. When you take the hardest assortment of fights from random paths and cobble them together you no longer have an AW showcase. You have a mini EOP with sugar pill. This is especially weird because in the design philosophy section they specifically mention that

“For those who took similar paths every war of the Sugar Pill seasons, we hope you enjoy the chance to revisit and share that experience with the rest of the community.”

This is not “revisiting” the experience of AW, and saying as much can be rough for expectation setting. Also, that “what if” scenario was a cool idea. Placing a buffed red skull into the map then complimenting him with nodes which invalidate 3/4 of the tactic champs was not a cool way to execute that idea

BigBlueOx

As someone who has a lot of T1 experience I should mention that the showcase is not an accurate representation of what high tier war is about.

For instance it’s very rare if ever you’re taking 9 fights you got 9 other teammates helping you clear the field. You’re also not facing r3 7* sig 200 defenders all over the map unless it’s TCN. Lastly a lot of those fights are on different paths so you’re not having to put together a team where you’d have to take a sketchy fight with not an ideal counter.

Not to mention 7stars of some defenders don’t exist yet…

Suros_moon

As someone who has a lot of T1 experience I should mention that the showcase is not an accurate representation of what high tier war is about.

For instance it’s very rare if ever you’re taking 9 fights you got 9 other teammates helping you clear the field. You’re also not facing r3 7* sig 200 defenders all over the map unless it’s TCN. Lastly a lot of those fights are on different paths so you’re not having to put together a team where you’d have to take a sketchy fight with not an ideal counter.
Not to mention 7stars of some defenders don’t exist yet…

Cough well… wHaT iF??

Skyfaw

As someone who has a lot of T1 experience I should mention that the showcase is not an accurate representation of what high tier war is about.

For instance it’s very rare if ever you’re taking 9 fights you got 9 other teammates helping you clear the field. You’re also not facing r3 7* sig 200 defenders all over the map unless it’s TCN. Lastly a lot of those fights are on different paths so you’re not having to put together a team where you’d have to take a sketchy fight with not an ideal counter.

I think this is the huge issue. When you take the hardest assortment of fights from random paths and cobble them together you no longer have an AW showcase. You have a mini EOP with sugar pill. This is especially weird because in the design philosophy section they specifically mention that

“For those who took similar paths every war of the Sugar Pill seasons, we hope you enjoy the chance to revisit and share that experience with the rest of the community.”

This is not “revisiting” the experience of AW, and saying as much can be rough for expectation setting. Also, that “what if” scenario was a cool idea. Placing a buffed red skull into the map then complimenting him with nodes which invalidate 3/4 of the tactic champs was not a cool way to execute that idea

They never said it was gonna be like real AW. I for one enjoyed it, I’ve done a lot of those fights and was cool to revisit. My point was simply not use this as guideline to what t1 war is about. When it’s actually pretty easy for the most part. Since OP made a poll if they want to do t1 war after going into the showcase.

Beewee

Bad example of top tier war. You usually dont take 8-9 fights in one war lol
You have 4 champs for 7 fights, which is 1.75 per champ. In war with 3 champs that would be 5.25 fights, when the average is 5 per player. I'd say that's pretty close.

7 fights because the champ choice means you get 1 free unused one for the boss.

You also have to realize people bring pre fights especially for someone like knockdown sassy to help make it a little easier. Yes you bring 4 champs but the fights are awkward tbf because they’re taken off several different paths and minis as opposed to one theme of a path like path 1 where it was all regen where you mainly just needed someone to handle the regen. The quest isn't bad by any means its just not an example of how war really works at the very top.

Syndicated

In tier 1 you face 12 Rank 3 enemies with +100k power rate? lol

Suros_moon

As someone who has a lot of T1 experience I should mention that the showcase is not an accurate representation of what high tier war is about.

For instance it’s very rare if ever you’re taking 9 fights you got 9 other teammates helping you clear the field. You’re also not facing r3 7* sig 200 defenders all over the map unless it’s TCN. Lastly a lot of those fights are on different paths so you’re not having to put together a team where you’d have to take a sketchy fight with not an ideal counter.

I think this is the huge issue. When you take the hardest assortment of fights from random paths and cobble them together you no longer have an AW showcase. You have a mini EOP with sugar pill. This is especially weird because in the design philosophy section they specifically mention that

“For those who took similar paths every war of the Sugar Pill seasons, we hope you enjoy the chance to revisit and share that experience with the rest of the community.”

This is not “revisiting” the experience of AW, and saying as much can be rough for expectation setting. Also, that “what if” scenario was a cool idea. Placing a buffed red skull into the map then complimenting him with nodes which invalidate 3/4 of the tactic champs was not a cool way to execute that idea
They never said it was gonna be like real AW. I for one enjoyed it, I’ve done a lot of those fights and was cool to revisit. My point was simply not use this as guideline to what t1 war is about. When it’s actually pretty easy for the most part. Since OP made a poll if they want to do t1 war after going into the showcase.

The quote I listed leaves that up in the air which is where my confusion came from. They started to qualify it when they said:

“When we showcase a competitive meta, we want to bring together some of the greatest challenges, most satisfying interactions, and even occasionally explore “What if…” scenarios”

But then stated that “For those who took similar paths every war of the Sugar Pill seasons, we hope you enjoy the chance to revisit and share that experience with the rest of the community.”

The choice to mention this for people who specifically repeated the same path the idea that this would be a revisitation for them is simply contradictory. Moreover, this certainly isn't sharing the experience of a taking one path over and over again with the “rest of the community” (which Im assuming here means either non war players or low tier war players). This is a case of a bit of mixed messaging which can be clarified by removing this bit. Without that I dont know if Id care about the particular style of challenge this is.

laserjohn26

This is just an extremely poorly timed reminder of how just two tactics ago war was kind of fun. Not sure how we've went away from video games being fun which is the whole point.

jcphillips7

This is just an extremely poorly timed reminder of how just two tactics ago war was kind of fun. Not sure how we've went away from video games being fun which is the whole point.

Hey, congrats on your #1 spot in Serpent arena dude

Skyfaw

As someone who has a lot of T1 experience I should mention that the showcase is not an accurate representation of what high tier war is about.

For instance it’s very rare if ever you’re taking 9 fights you got 9 other teammates helping you clear the field. You’re also not facing r3 7* sig 200 defenders all over the map unless it’s TCN. Lastly a lot of those fights are on different paths so you’re not having to put together a team where you’d have to take a sketchy fight with not an ideal counter.

I think this is the huge issue. When you take the hardest assortment of fights from random paths and cobble them together you no longer have an AW showcase. You have a mini EOP with sugar pill. This is especially weird because in the design philosophy section they specifically mention that

“For those who took similar paths every war of the Sugar Pill seasons, we hope you enjoy the chance to revisit and share that experience with the rest of the community.”

This is not “revisiting” the experience of AW, and saying as much can be rough for expectation setting. Also, that “what if” scenario was a cool idea. Placing a buffed red skull into the map then complimenting him with nodes which invalidate 3/4 of the tactic champs was not a cool way to execute that idea
They never said it was gonna be like real AW. I for one enjoyed it, I’ve done a lot of those fights and was cool to revisit. My point was simply not use this as guideline to what t1 war is about. When it’s actually pretty easy for the most part. Since OP made a poll if they want to do t1 war after going into the showcase.

The quote I listed leaves that up in the air which is where my confusion came from. They started to qualify it when they said:

“When we showcase a competitive meta, we want to bring together some of the greatest challenges, most satisfying interactions, and even occasionally explore “What if…” scenarios”

But then stated that “For those who took similar paths every war of the Sugar Pill seasons, we hope you enjoy the chance to revisit and share that experience with the rest of the community.”

The choice to mention this for people who specifically repeated the same path the idea that this would be a revisitation for them is simply contradictory. Moreover, this certainly isn't sharing the experience of a taking one path over and over again with the “rest of the community” (which Im assuming here means either non war players or low tier war players). This is a case of a bit of mixed messaging which can be clarified by removing this bit. Without that I dont know if Id care about the particular style of challenge this is.

None of that text indicates anything about being like the real AW experience. It says they will put together some of the tougher fights on the map they did that. The what if scenario, red skull they did that.

There was no contradiction every path is represented with a common defender that was usually placed there. For me I’ve fought that longshot many times. Usually it was mystic Spider-Man. I got to relive what was one of the harder fights on the map that I always had to clear every war. They delivered on what was promised.

Suros_moon

As someone who has a lot of T1 experience I should mention that the showcase is not an accurate representation of what high tier war is about.

For instance it’s very rare if ever you’re taking 9 fights you got 9 other teammates helping you clear the field. You’re also not facing r3 7* sig 200 defenders all over the map unless it’s TCN. Lastly a lot of those fights are on different paths so you’re not having to put together a team where you’d have to take a sketchy fight with not an ideal counter.

I think this is the huge issue. When you take the hardest assortment of fights from random paths and cobble them together you no longer have an AW showcase. You have a mini EOP with sugar pill. This is especially weird because in the design philosophy section they specifically mention that

“For those who took similar paths every war of the Sugar Pill seasons, we hope you enjoy the chance to revisit and share that experience with the rest of the community.”

This is not “revisiting” the experience of AW, and saying as much can be rough for expectation setting. Also, that “what if” scenario was a cool idea. Placing a buffed red skull into the map then complimenting him with nodes which invalidate 3/4 of the tactic champs was not a cool way to execute that idea
They never said it was gonna be like real AW. I for one enjoyed it, I’ve done a lot of those fights and was cool to revisit. My point was simply not use this as guideline to what t1 war is about. When it’s actually pretty easy for the most part. Since OP made a poll if they want to do t1 war after going into the showcase.

The quote I listed leaves that up in the air which is where my confusion came from. They started to qualify it when they said:

“When we showcase a competitive meta, we want to bring together some of the greatest challenges, most satisfying interactions, and even occasionally explore “What if…” scenarios”

But then stated that “For those who took similar paths every war of the Sugar Pill seasons, we hope you enjoy the chance to revisit and share that experience with the rest of the community.”

The choice to mention this for people who specifically repeated the same path the idea that this would be a revisitation for them is simply contradictory. Moreover, this certainly isn't sharing the experience of a taking one path over and over again with the “rest of the community” (which Im assuming here means either non war players or low tier war players). This is a case of a bit of mixed messaging which can be clarified by removing this bit. Without that I dont know if Id care about the particular style of challenge this is.
None of that text indicates anything about being like the real AW experience. It says they will put together some of the tougher fights on the map they did that. The what if scenario, red skull they did that.

There was no contradiction every path is represented with a common defender that was usually placed there. For me I’ve fought that longshot many times. Usually it was mystic Spider-Man. I got to relive what was one of the harder fights on the map that I always had to clear every war. They delivered on what was promised.

The first quote set the stage nicely for what this challenge was which I then contrasted with the second which was weirdly specific about what the event would be in a way that doesn’t align. My question is as follows: What about this design philosophy would make it a “revisitation” for players who specifically took “similar paths multiple times”? No one who took similar paths all season would ever see this much diversity in nodes, classes, defenders etc. This would be a revisitation for the exact opposite type of player who danced across a lot very different paths hence why I feel the post would be better with this portion modified or removed

Suros_moon

As someone who has a lot of T1 experience I should mention that the showcase is not an accurate representation of what high tier war is about.

For instance it’s very rare if ever you’re taking 9 fights you got 9 other teammates helping you clear the field. You’re also not facing r3 7* sig 200 defenders all over the map unless it’s TCN. Lastly a lot of those fights are on different paths so you’re not having to put together a team where you’d have to take a sketchy fight with not an ideal counter.

I think this is the huge issue. When you take the hardest assortment of fights from random paths and cobble them together you no longer have an AW showcase. You have a mini EOP with sugar pill. This is especially weird because in the design philosophy section they specifically mention that

“For those who took similar paths every war of the Sugar Pill seasons, we hope you enjoy the chance to revisit and share that experience with the rest of the community.”

This is not “revisiting” the experience of AW, and saying as much can be rough for expectation setting. Also, that “what if” scenario was a cool idea. Placing a buffed red skull into the map then complimenting him with nodes which invalidate 3/4 of the tactic champs was not a cool way to execute that idea
They never said it was gonna be like real AW. I for one enjoyed it, I’ve done a lot of those fights and was cool to revisit. My point was simply not use this as guideline to what t1 war is about. When it’s actually pretty easy for the most part. Since OP made a poll if they want to do t1 war after going into the showcase.

The quote I listed leaves that up in the air which is where my confusion came from. They started to qualify it when they said:

“When we showcase a competitive meta, we want to bring together some of the greatest challenges, most satisfying interactions, and even occasionally explore “What if…” scenarios”

But then stated that “For those who took similar paths every war of the Sugar Pill seasons, we hope you enjoy the chance to revisit and share that experience with the rest of the community.”

The choice to mention this for people who specifically repeated the same path the idea that this would be a revisitation for them is simply contradictory. Moreover, this certainly isn't sharing the experience of a taking one path over and over again with the “rest of the community” (which Im assuming here means either non war players or low tier war players). This is a case of a bit of mixed messaging which can be clarified by removing this bit. Without that I dont know if Id care about the particular style of challenge this is.
None of that text indicates anything about being like the real AW experience. It says they will put together some of the tougher fights on the map they did that. The what if scenario, red skull they did that.

There was no contradiction every path is represented with a common defender that was usually placed there. For me I’ve fought that longshot many times. Usually it was mystic Spider-Man. I got to relive what was one of the harder fights on the map that I always had to clear every war. They delivered on what was promised.

Also, I enjoyed it too. My point was on a possible miscommunication not on the quality/difficulty

PT_99

I can clear this showcase with revives

If I try to do that in high tier war Alliances I'll get screams, threats and marked in Hitlist 💀