This has got to be one of the stupidest nodes 😐

BabyMiike

Don't get me wrong I like challenging content. I don't like tedious content. I don't like them putting nodes on paths that only a few champs can counter, and I mean a few... Anyway I know this path is subject to change, and I pray to God that this changes

PantherusNZ

Define "only a few"?

Sure certain champs have a significantly easier time of this node than others - Zemo would be the best since he inflicts persistent bleeds so once you have one on them it's easy mode for the rest of the fight, other champs who can reliably inflict bleed and shrug debuffs would be the next best - but any champ who reliably inflicts bleeds can do it, you might just have to either wait out the tranquilize debuff or slog through it, which I guess fits your complaint of tedium. But by the time you get to a path like this, you should have a broad roster which would presumably include at least one reliably bleeding Skill champion - am I wrong there?

Emilia90

Fully agree. Took this path fully boosted + suicides with Zemo and Nick and it still took forever. Felt like a slog and a half

Folkvangr

BabyMiike said:

Don't get me wrong I like challenging content. I don't like tedious content. I don't like them putting nodes on paths that only a few champs can counter, and I mean a few... Anyway I know this path is subject to change, and I pray to God that this changes

Where is this?

Emilia90

Folkvangr said:

BabyMiike said:

Don't get me wrong I like challenging content. I don't like tedious content. I don't like them putting nodes on paths that only a few champs can counter, and I mean a few... Anyway I know this path is subject to change, and I pray to God that this changes

Where is this?

9.1.6 (iirc) beta

Chuck_Finley

One of only two paths I gave a negative review to in the survey. 9.1.3 night thrasher was the other…

BabyMiike

PantherusNZ said:

Define "only a few"?

Sure certain champs have a significantly easier time of this node than others - Zemo would be the best since he inflicts persistent bleeds so once you have one on them it's easy mode for the rest of the fight, other champs who can reliably inflict bleed and shrug debuffs would be the next best - but any champ who reliably inflicts bleeds can do it, you might just have to either wait out the tranquilize debuff or slog through it, which I guess fits your complaint of tedium. But by the time you get to a path like this, you should have a broad roster which would presumably include at least one reliably bleeding Skill champion - am I wrong there?

Expect they get passive energize on them. So basically you have to keep throwing your relic. So that means you'll need a champ that reliably purifys and puts a lot of bleed I can only think of Zemo and Attuma

BabyMiike

Chuck_Finley said:

One of only two paths I gave a negative review to in the survey. 9.1.3 night thrasher was the other…

Yah that one was kinda dumb I feel like this one was the WORST

captaincush

BabyMiike said:

PantherusNZ said:

Define "only a few"?

Sure certain champs have a significantly easier time of this node than others - Zemo would be the best since he inflicts persistent bleeds so once you have one on them it's easy mode for the rest of the fight, other champs who can reliably inflict bleed and shrug debuffs would be the next best - but any champ who reliably inflicts bleeds can do it, you might just have to either wait out the tranquilize debuff or slog through it, which I guess fits your complaint of tedium. But by the time you get to a path like this, you should have a broad roster which would presumably include at least one reliably bleeding Skill champion - am I wrong there?

Expect they get passive energize on them. So basically you have to keep throwing your relic. So that means you'll need a champ that reliably purifys and puts a lot of bleed I can only think of Zemo and Attuma

Jabari and Moleman were my MVPs for this

Stone3x

That path took me like 10 mins with nick and chee, was actually rather easy once you kill off nicks first life in the first fight

Matty_Ice

This path, the diss track path, and the two outside paths on 9.1.3 made me just want to quit the beta. Even using suicides and max boosts they were just so painful.

Double_Helix

Bullseye did really well on that path

Pikolu

Blade stonks are improving everyday.

Eakomo

This path, the Diss track path where you can't use specials or heavies and the path where you can't apply petrifies on a very heavy healing path were arguably thr most frustrating and very tedious paths to complete in the beta

Terminatrix

The rewards had better be worth that foolishness

valgerad

Ah..this lane from 9.1.6 beta..Zemo & AA my mvp

hungryhungrybbq

What am I missing? Why is it hard?

Eakomo

hungryhungrybbq said:

What am I missing? Why is it hard?

- you need bleeds to deal normal damage
- they get passive energize increasing power gain
- you get a tranquilize placed on you every time they use a special attack

so you can get a champ that has bleeds until they throw a special, then you're stuck with no way to place more bleed unless you shrug it or wait it out while they get energize that gives them more power to throw specials and it's a mess without consistent shrugging of the tranquilize

captain_rogers

Do you have a kate bishop? Pair her with chavez and use caltrops arrow, It deals way better damage than other options

For void you can start with tranq arrow or use Zemo. Make sure you are comfy dexing Venom and SW's specials completely.

Prentex

What does tranquilize do again?

captain_rogers

Prentex said:

What does tranquilize do again?

Reduces your champ's ability accuracy to inflict debuffs, so your champs cannot inflict bleed debuffs.

They still can inflict bleed passives and instant bleed effects

Prentex

Thanks, sounds annoying lol

Average_Desi

Just use archangel

Eakomo

captain_rogers said:

Do you have a kate bishop? Pair her with chavez and use caltrops arrow, It deals way better damage than other options

For void you can start with tranq arrow or use Zemo. Make sure you are comfy dexing Venom and SW's specials completely.

Kate should work, but her bleeds only work when they use a heavy or dash at you. So in theory she should be good but in reality she's as bad and even worse because consistently intercepting is already bad and baiting heavies is hard with a lot of unblockables.

captain_rogers

Eakomo said:

captain_rogers said:

Do you have a kate bishop? Pair her with chavez and use caltrops arrow, It deals way better damage than other options

For void you can start with tranq arrow or use Zemo. Make sure you are comfy dexing Venom and SW's specials completely.

Kate should work, but her bleeds only work when they use a heavy or dash at you. So in theory she should be good but in reality she's as bad and even worse because consistently intercepting is already bad and baiting heavies is hard with a lot of unblockables.

No I used her in that path. Just set up using 2 sp2s, using chavez synergy gives you an extra caltrops effect. Now force opponent to dash in dash out. To refresh arrows, use the passuve stun from riposte which will ignore the unblockable, and heavy at the corner. She does 20k damage with 3 arrows , no boosts and suicides.

Eakomo

captain_rogers said:

Eakomo said:

captain_rogers said:

Do you have a kate bishop? Pair her with chavez and use caltrops arrow, It deals way better damage than other options

For void you can start with tranq arrow or use Zemo. Make sure you are comfy dexing Venom and SW's specials completely.

Kate should work, but her bleeds only work when they use a heavy or dash at you. So in theory she should be good but in reality she's as bad and even worse because consistently intercepting is already bad and baiting heavies is hard with a lot of unblockables.

No I used her in that path. Just set up using 2 sp2s, using chavez synergy gives you an extra caltrops effect. Now force opponent to dash in dash out. To refresh arrows, use the passuve stun from riposte which will ignore the unblockable, and heavy at the corner. She does 20k damage with 3 arrows , no boosts and suicides.

I used kate for most of the exploration and I'd rather take a better bleed champ than her when the bode doesn't even boost the damage much

captain_rogers

Eakomo said:

captain_rogers said:

Eakomo said:

captain_rogers said:

Do you have a kate bishop? Pair her with chavez and use caltrops arrow, It deals way better damage than other options

For void you can start with tranq arrow or use Zemo. Make sure you are comfy dexing Venom and SW's specials completely.

Kate should work, but her bleeds only work when they use a heavy or dash at you. So in theory she should be good but in reality she's as bad and even worse because consistently intercepting is already bad and baiting heavies is hard with a lot of unblockables.

No I used her in that path. Just set up using 2 sp2s, using chavez synergy gives you an extra caltrops effect. Now force opponent to dash in dash out. To refresh arrows, use the passuve stun from riposte which will ignore the unblockable, and heavy at the corner. She does 20k damage with 3 arrows , no boosts and suicides.

I used kate for most of the exploration and I'd rather take a better bleed champ than her when the bode doesn't even boost the damage much

Have you attempted that path? Only Zemo works since he has indefinite bleeds, but even his damage is low compared to kate. Jabari could work but you have to dance around a lot.

Yes I agree using kate sounds horrbile on paper but trust me, this was way better than other options for that node. Especially if you have max sig kate and a Chavez of synergy.

jcphillips7

Agreed. I grinded out the Beta last night (yay procrastination!) and there were only 2 paths I was getting fed up with.

This one and the one on 9.1.4 or 9.1.5 that had Taskmaster and Hit Monkey where they kept gaining protection or something and you had to interrupt heavy. It was a tech path where they gained Unstoppable when you used Striker, but it was a slog and a half.

frodo2377

This was the only path I found annoying. Science Diss Track wasn't that bad. Torch, Scorpion, Titania, Photon worked well here. Just dont use specials and your fine. The Night Thrasher lane was made way easier with 2 wags and Archangel. Rinsed the path for the most part. NT purging debuffs can make AA difficult as a counter so I used APOC. Was easy to see why people don't like that path.

jcphillips7

frodo2377 said:

This was the only path I found annoying. Science Diss Track wasn't that bad. Torch, Scorpion, Titania, Photon worked well here. Just dont use specials and your fine. The Night Thrasher lane was made way easier with 2 wags and Archangel. Rinsed the path for the most part. NT purging debuffs can make AA difficult as a counter so I used APOC. Was easy to see why people don't like that path.

Yup. When I got to that map and looked at that path I immediately went to my alliance chat and a guy was like "AA and x2 Wags and you're golden." Whole path probably took me 7 mins.

Steam97

captain_rogers said:

Eakomo said:

captain_rogers said:

Eakomo said:

captain_rogers said:

Do you have a kate bishop? Pair her with chavez and use caltrops arrow, It deals way better damage than other options

For void you can start with tranq arrow or use Zemo. Make sure you are comfy dexing Venom and SW's specials completely.

Kate should work, but her bleeds only work when they use a heavy or dash at you. So in theory she should be good but in reality she's as bad and even worse because consistently intercepting is already bad and baiting heavies is hard with a lot of unblockables.

No I used her in that path. Just set up using 2 sp2s, using chavez synergy gives you an extra caltrops effect. Now force opponent to dash in dash out. To refresh arrows, use the passuve stun from riposte which will ignore the unblockable, and heavy at the corner. She does 20k damage with 3 arrows , no boosts and suicides.

I used kate for most of the exploration and I'd rather take a better bleed champ than her when the bode doesn't even boost the damage much

Have you attempted that path? Only Zemo works since he has indefinite bleeds, but even his damage is low compared to kate. Jabari could work but you have to dance around a lot.

Yes I agree using kate sounds horrbile on paper but trust me, this was way better than other options for that node. Especially if you have max sig kate and a Chavez of synergy.

I used moleman for that lane and he worked really well, he'll constantly purify the tranquillize and can keep the bleed always active, he can also block unblockable hits if you have stand your ground active