We Deserve Answers.

Hello there.

I apologize for the length of this post, but I feel very strongly against this current season of battlegrounds, and I think the community deserves to be heard on our frustrations.

For those who don't know me, my name is tom. I have been a part of this community for a few years, and never have I once been even close to as frustrated as I am at the time of making this post.

I have been playing battlegrounds since the game mode was in its beta stages. I have had both relaxed, and full try hard, no grass touching types of seasons. The past few seasons I have found myself in the top 50-60 ranked players in the world at the end of the last two seasons. No I am not the best player. I spend a lot of money on this game to be able to compete at the highest level of battlegrounds because that WAS what I enjoyed.

This season has single handedly made me lose faith in the development side of Kabam's game team.

For those who know me, I am someone who always makes sure that we test node sets in battlegrounds, or really be able to give new champions a fair opportunity to show their worth in this game before making final judgements about said node set, or champion.

As someone who plays this game as often as I do, and spend as much money as I do, I feel entitled to some kind of answer about what this meta actually is.

Battlegrounds is skill based matchmaking game mode. The same select number of people are at the top of the leaderboard most every season as proof of that. Summoners such as BeroMan, Andretheruff, Liam, Mesohawnee, Pepe, etc. manage to find themselves in Celestial IV or higher every season. That is not an accident that they are there. Some may say that I am not Celestial V material, and that maybe the seasons I finished there were by accident, and not due to some amount of skill. I would disagree to an extent.

However, this meta that Kabam has decided to make players suffer through in the second half of this battlegrounds season, takes ANY skill out of the players hands, and fully places it on a 16 space wheel.

For those who play anywhere near the top, or in battlegrounds in general, know that every single percentage of health point matters. Down to the decimal point, it matters, and is typically is what wins and loses matches.

In this meta, you are faced with a choice. You either need to sacrifice precious time points in the fight to back up at the start of the fight, potentially making you play against a specific champions rotation (i.e. Cosmic Ghost Rider triggering the precision judgement at the start of a fight), OR straight up gambling that the defender you are faced against does not land a 1/16 chance to go unblockable, or a 1/16 chance that you have a crush debuff on you at the start of a fight.

I have lost a number of games, a number well more than I care to admit, due to gambling that I did not land the 1/8 chance to start with a crush, or the defender starts unblockable.

Even moreso, I have lost more games solely due to having to deal with a Serpent, the most common problem defender, special attack that is either unblockable, or while I am crushed. Due to his kit, there is zero way to avoid taking a full special attack to the face in this interaction. I did nothing wrong inside of the fight, all the defender did was get a bar of power. The only way to potentially avoid this? Turtling your block, you might say? You can't do that because of the same reasons you would be taking that same special to the face.

Or how about going into a fight against an Onslaught, or a Havok, or a Bishop, and the defender has a shock debuff on them. Did the attacker do something wrong? Is that avoidable? Is that skill based?

As a fan of the product Kabam makes, and an active player in both the battlegrounds, and war community, I REFUSE to believe that Kabam would be so ignorant to feel like the interactions I have listed were intended. The team that makes the battlegrounds node sets deserves to speak up for what they put out with this meta. There are matches won, and lost, at ALL levels of the gladiator's circuit currently, due to something completely left up to RNG.

The team that put this node set either forgot that they needed to put out a node set for this season, or there was ZERO testing done with this node set you guys have put forth.

Either way, I would be embarrassed for the product you guys have put forth as a game team for Battlegrounds this season. And I feel entitled, as should the rest of the community, to answers as to why this was the node set you guys put out, and if there was ANY testing done.

Thank you.

Comments

Rayven5220

There's a harsh reality that's being ignored in this.

Someone is doing just fine with this meta, cause all the way down to Uru 3 is filled up.

So while we could all argue whether or not it was a well thought out design, the reality is that the vocal majority are upset because they aren't good at it.

I refuse to believe the folks sitting at the top of GC are there by dumb luck, cause they're all subject to the same RNG as the rest of us.

I'm sitting fat, dumb, and happy in Uru 3, but it's cause all I care about every season is making it to GC. Anything beyond Uru 3 is gravy to me, but I'm not gonna blame it on the nodes, cause the opponent is dealing with the same thing.

It's not dumb luck that gets them to the top, it's countless hours of grinding the game mode.
Obviously players at the top are more skilled than us at the bottom, but they're all similar skill levels at the top and even the top players are mostly saying this meta sucks and it's too random.

Ackbar67

From what I've encountered, it seems that most competitive players (of which I consider myself) do not like this meta at all, while casual players find it very fun. That makes sense to me, I think I would like these nodes in a quest; the random nature of it has some potential to bring interesting interactions. It's only when you're trying to push to high ranks that the RNG can win or lose matches for you, or put you in an unwinnable situation. I don't feel that it's a problem though. Some metas will cater towards the competitive players, some will be more designed towards the casual. I won't like every meta and I don't have a problem with that. I'm hoping I'll enjoy next season's nodes more, but I know there will be plenty in the future that I won't,

peixemacaco

To me the worst BG season was 15 I think with a terrible meta.

This one Im currently at Diamond II about to be Diam I and get the rewards....and Im not even Thronebreaker haha

If the Meta is difficult or not, it will depends on your roster. Luckily mine have five 7 stars, 3 6 stars R4 and a lot of Champs to upgrade.

To be true, im afraid to pull champs nowadays with so many to feed.

mgj0630

There's a harsh reality that's being ignored in this.

Someone is doing just fine with this meta, cause all the way down to Uru 3 is filled up.

So while we could all argue whether or not it was a well thought out design, the reality is that the vocal majority are upset because they aren't good at it.

I refuse to believe the folks sitting at the top of GC are there by dumb luck, cause they're all subject to the same RNG as the rest of us.

I'm sitting fat, dumb, and happy in Uru 3, but it's cause all I care about every season is making it to GC. Anything beyond Uru 3 is gravy to me, but I'm not gonna blame it on the nodes, cause the opponent is dealing with the same thing.
It's not dumb luck that gets them to the top, it's countless hours of grinding the game mode.
Obviously players at the top are more skilled than us at the bottom, but they're all similar skill levels at the top and even the top players are mostly saying this meta sucks and it's too random.

I'm not suggesting it's a problem free meta.

I'm more suggesting to folks like the OP, who blame the meta specifically for not getting to where they usually do, that perhaps there's another reason.

There are clearly players who are succeeding in spite of the current meta. Perhaps their rosters are more diverse than OPs, so they have a deck better suited to the random nonsense they may have to deal with.

Perhaps they're smarter about banning champs they may not have counters to if RNG isn't in their favor (banning a champ like Serpent if you don't have a way to deal with an unblockable/undexable projectile).

Or maybe those guys at the top simply got there really fast because they knew the last couple weeks would be rough.

There are a variety of reasons behind why the guys at the top are there.

My gripe is with folks like OP implying the meta alone is why they aren't at the top. That's an extremely entitled viewpoint, cause clearly hundreds of others figured out a way to be there, despite the meta.

benshb

Just remove unblockable and crushed and it's good. However some debuffs can be detrimental to Juggs, the workhorse of BGs.
Yeah Juggs isn't good in this meta

To be precise: juggs isn't good if you have bad RNG. If you are lucky and land on furies, prowesses or other buffs without getting a single debuffy you are good to go.
Which also makes this node unfair

EdisonLaw

Just remove unblockable and crushed and it's good. However some debuffs can be detrimental to Juggs, the workhorse of BGs.
Yeah Juggs isn't good in this meta
To be precise: juggs isn't good if you have bad RNG. If you are lucky and land on furies, prowesses or other buffs without getting a single debuffy you are good to go.
Which also makes this node unfair

And that’s why I said this meta is unpredictable. Like what if you’re fighting Bishop or Onslaught and they have like a shock or bleed on them

Vanitelia

Yeah, I don't get the entitled comment. Had some good points and that one word destroyed the narrative.

I haven't banned Serpent because I'm too stubborn to do so. It's a risk. If they draft him and I miss out on mine, then it's whatever. I know I have to win the other 2. The issue is that you can have the perfect counter and still get completely wrecked in any matchup this season.

Yeah, the other player is in the same RNG boat, but there's already enough luck baked into a match to begin with. Doubling down with the node combo wasn't a good choice.

Average_Desi

Just remove unblockable and crushed and it's good. However some debuffs can be detrimental to Juggs, the workhorse of BGs.
Yeah Juggs isn't good in this meta
To be precise: juggs isn't good if you have bad RNG. If you are lucky and land on furies, prowesses or other buffs without getting a single debuffy you are good to go.
Which also makes this node unfair

Start with crush. Throw sp1, get gem, get armour break, repeat

[Deleted User]

OP is a very skilled player, plays with Salty at the moment so that should speak to his caliber. I've been subscribed to his channel for sometime and seen his level. I've seen other YouTubers at the highest bgs level - Celestial lose countless matches due to crushed and/or unblockable, it's ridiculous. It's especially frustrating for the most competitive who not only make sure to hone their skills for the highest level, but spend a good amount of money to maintain a strong roster.

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TyEdge

There's a harsh reality that's being ignored in this.

Someone is doing just fine with this meta, cause all the way down to Uru 3 is filled up.

So while we could all argue whether or not it was a well thought out design, the reality is that the vocal majority are upset because they aren't good at it.

I refuse to believe the folks sitting at the top of GC are there by dumb luck, cause they're all subject to the same RNG as the rest of us.

I'm sitting fat, dumb, and happy in Uru 3, but it's cause all I care about every season is making it to GC. Anything beyond Uru 3 is gravy to me, but I'm not gonna blame it on the nodes, cause the opponent is dealing with the same thing.

The first point makes no sense. The fact we made it to GC in a different meta has no bearing on performance in this one.

You’re right that some (not me) are doing fine but the number of people in GC has nothing to do with it.