Valiant Crystal Reels - Most dishonest thing in MCOC?

BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,369 ★★★★★
in General Discussion
How is it that a pull that has a 0.5% chance of being pulled present in 99% of my final reels?

I’m used to crystal reels being a “gotcha” mechanic but I mean this one feels gross at this point.


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  • WarlockjrWarlockjr Member Posts: 809 ★★★
    Nemesis_17 said:

    Never spin out valiants, they’re the meanest things

    i decided to do that today for fun. i managed to get both daredevils as 6*s from it.
  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,369 ★★★★★
    Nemesis_17 said:

    Never spin out valiants, they’re the meanest things

    At this point I spin them just to watch the foolishness
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,197 ★★★★★
    Dishonest?... They have confirmed that its just a visual animation many times. They already said its fake lol
  • Herbal_TaxmanHerbal_Taxman Member Posts: 690 ★★★★
    Not dishonest, but highly irritating.
  • MalchaeisMalchaeis Member Posts: 229 ★★
    edited August 18
    Spin the crystal. Tap the screen. 7* 7* 7* 7* ... 7* 7* 7* 7*... ( ah **** I'm getting shards) 7* 7* 7*.... t5 shards lol... wait that's daily valiant crystals my bad
  • Kingering_KingKingering_King Member Posts: 1,063 ★★★
    I just pulled 5* patriot from valiant crystals next to 7* nexus too!!
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,656 ★★★★★
    Never spin them, always pop. I usually never spin crystals, they always give me a bad pull.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,573 ★★★★★
    Okay, it seems this is coming up again for some reason, but there seems to be some misconception and conspiracy, so here goes.
    The reel is not representative of anything. It's a visual effect. This hasn't been a secret, ever. They've told us many times.
    The outcome is generated the second we click Open, or place the Crystal to spin. There's no rolling of outcomes.
    It's not even possible to display a true representation of the drop rates because there's not enough time in the spin. It's just a random display of some of the outcomes. That's randomized based on the number of outcomes and not their rate of occurrence.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,573 ★★★★★
    xLunatiXx said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    Okay, it seems this is coming up again for some reason, but there seems to be some misconception and conspiracy, so here goes.
    The reel is not representative of anything. It's a visual effect. This hasn't been a secret, ever. They've told us many times.
    The outcome is generated the second we click Open, or place the Crystal to spin. There's no rolling of outcomes.
    It's not even possible to display a true representation of the drop rates because there's not enough time in the spin. It's just a random display of some of the outcomes. That's randomized based on the number of outcomes and not their rate of occurrence.

    OP already addressed that in his post but thanks for your input.

    It's just that this specific crystal is a bit too much on the bait side of things compared to previous crystals.
    How did the OP address what I said in his Post?
  • CaptainaidenCaptainaiden Member Posts: 1,082 ★★★★
    spinning crystals means nothing, it already decided what you will get after you pushed to stop the spinning, if you don't believe, have one your ally teammate to see the alliance general tab and see what you get. As soon as you push your screen to stop the spinning, they can see what champs you get, but for you, the spinning still happening but slowing down. Spinning crystals just wasting your time buddy
  • xLunatiXxxLunatiXx Member Posts: 1,416 ★★★★★
    GroundedWisdom said:

    xLunatiXx said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    Okay, it seems this is coming up again for some reason, but there seems to be some misconception and conspiracy, so here goes.
    The reel is not representative of anything. It's a visual effect. This hasn't been a secret, ever. They've told us many times.
    The outcome is generated the second we click Open, or place the Crystal to spin. There's no rolling of outcomes.
    It's not even possible to display a true representation of the drop rates because there's not enough time in the spin. It's just a random display of some of the outcomes. That's randomized based on the number of outcomes and not their rate of occurrence.

    OP already addressed that in his post but thanks for your input.

    It's just that this specific crystal is a bit too much on the bait side of things compared to previous crystals.
    How did the OP address what I said in his Post?
    2nd paragraph
  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,369 ★★★★★
    GroundedWisdom said:

    Okay, it seems this is coming up again for some reason, but there seems to be some misconception and conspiracy, so here goes.
    The reel is not representative of anything. It's a visual effect. This hasn't been a secret, ever. They've told us many times.
    The outcome is generated the second we click Open, or place the Crystal to spin. There's no rolling of outcomes.
    It's not even possible to display a true representation of the drop rates because there's not enough time in the spin. It's just a random display of some of the outcomes. That's randomized based on the number of outcomes and not their rate of occurrence.

    I agree with all of that. It’s why I referred to it as a “gotcha” mechanic. It’s a mechanic that is used in plenty of games of chance. My point is that in this crystal it’s completely over done.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,058 ★★★★★
    DocWest said:

    The reels are incredibly manipulative and gross. It shows you tons of good stuff and always rolls over to the lone stinker. Imagine if you didn’t look at the odds, because the reels make you think that the good stuff is realistically achievable when in reality it’s not at all. It’s one of the nastiest part of this game by far.

    Team pop

    Gee.... If only Kabam has told people from the beginning that the reel is for entertainment purposes only....
  • DrZolaDrZola Member Posts: 9,125 ★★★★★
    @BigBlueOx it must be the old reel coding from way back when. I recall watching the 4* parade on a PHC spin just before the animation slammed the breaks on the only 2* around.

    Dr. Zola
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,573 ★★★★★
    edited August 19
    BigBlueOx said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    Okay, it seems this is coming up again for some reason, but there seems to be some misconception and conspiracy, so here goes.
    The reel is not representative of anything. It's a visual effect. This hasn't been a secret, ever. They've told us many times.
    The outcome is generated the second we click Open, or place the Crystal to spin. There's no rolling of outcomes.
    It's not even possible to display a true representation of the drop rates because there's not enough time in the spin. It's just a random display of some of the outcomes. That's randomized based on the number of outcomes and not their rate of occurrence.

    I agree with all of that. It’s why I referred to it as a “gotcha” mechanic. It’s a mechanic that is used in plenty of games of chance. My point is that in this crystal it’s completely over done.
    Calling it a gotcha mechanic is really up for debate, and we could argue it until the cows come home. There are arguments on either side.
    The part that is not really acknowledged is it's not anything anyone has designed differently. It's the same reel effect that's been used all along. There are a number of specific possibilities and the reel displays those on a random basis. It's not meant to reflect the actual odds of what you can get.
  • DorkyDorky Member Posts: 356 ★
    Nemesis_17 said:

    Never spin out valiants, they’re the meanest things

    I actually got a 7 star from spinning one time.
  • DorkyDorky Member Posts: 356 ★
    edited August 19
    Demonzfyre said:

    DocWest said:

    The reels are incredibly manipulative and gross. It shows you tons of good stuff and always rolls over to the lone stinker. Imagine if you didn’t look at the odds, because the reels make you think that the good stuff is realistically achievable when in reality it’s not at all. It’s one of the nastiest part of this game by far.

    Team pop

    Gee.... If only Kabam has told people from the beginning that the reel is for entertainment purposes only....
    I'm dying from this lol yup got trolled from duping my 7 star vox only to get a 4 star lol fun times tbh
  • AzdefAzdef Member Posts: 252 ★★
    The point is, the ones who have been playing for a long time are obviously aware that it means nothing and it's " entertainment" but there are a lot of new summoners who probably don't. They might see the spin and be like " that was real close, let's try another..."
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,171 ★★★★★
    edited August 19
    GroundedWisdom said:

    BigBlueOx said:

    GroundedWisdom said:

    Okay, it seems this is coming up again for some reason, but there seems to be some misconception and conspiracy, so here goes.
    The reel is not representative of anything. It's a visual effect. This hasn't been a secret, ever. They've told us many times.
    The outcome is generated the second we click Open, or place the Crystal to spin. There's no rolling of outcomes.
    It's not even possible to display a true representation of the drop rates because there's not enough time in the spin. It's just a random display of some of the outcomes. That's randomized based on the number of outcomes and not their rate of occurrence.

    I agree with all of that. It’s why I referred to it as a “gotcha” mechanic. It’s a mechanic that is used in plenty of games of chance. My point is that in this crystal it’s completely over done.
    There are a number of specific possibilities and the reel displays those on a random basis.
    That's false, the 'missed items' are not random. Those are strategically placed there.

    Idc about it anyway, when you see it gets an eye roll and that's about it.
  • NightheartNightheart Member Posts: 2,117 ★★★★
    I just pop them
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