Reverse regen is a dead ability.

Seems to me that a few great champs for their ability to reverse regen is pretty much useless for that ability. Seems like the node that says “regen cannot be reversed” is pretty standard now in situations where these champs are needed.

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Maat1985

nah cus it still heal blocks in those situations.

Rawrasurus

It is pretty wild how game power creep has completely deleted a mechanic that some champs are designed with. Champs are released with their regen rates unable to be modified/reversed or every single node a champ with healing is on has immunity to heal reversal. Thats just bad game design and purely a decision based on money.

Like why even have it reverse healing if every single use of it is denied. Might as well just be a heal block and thats it

PT_99

Sad Void noise 😭
I'll still 7r3 sig200 him tho

Vegeta9001

I forget about some champs being immune to regen modification and heal block and try to healblock them, then get left with someone with pillowhands and watching the opponent stay at 100%

Squidopus

Is it? Indomitable shows up with some frequency but it’s hardly a mainstay, and even then regen rate reduction is still a good option for shutting off healing, it just doesn’t reverse it. Picture of health is much more of a problem but it’s also not at all commonplace.

Regen rate modification immunity is not showing up all over the place in champion kits either. Looking back since January of last year, the only champions who have had any such immunities are Patriot (but this makes sense for a skill champ with reduced base regen rate, it’s the same deal as Kingpin and Attuma), Lady Deathstrike, and buffed Mr Sinister (used to prevent heal reversal, now just straight up can’t have his regen rate reduced). Every other champ released in that time frame is vulnerable to it. In fact, several of the champs released have regen AND are immune to heal block, which means regen rate reduction is actually valuable as your only effective means of regen control in those matchups (Werewolf, Kindred, and Serpent all have this property, and Adam kinda does). Worth noting that LDS is also effectively immune to heal block so it’s not like regen rate reduction is singled out that much against her.

The only thing that gives me pause here is the Provacateur defense tactic; I think it’s weird that it caps regen rate reduction (and ability power rate reduction) given that multiple Secutor champs make heavy use of it. Even then, though, the highest the cap gets is 0% so those champs still have value for shutting the regen off.

Squidopus

Tried expanding my search an extra year back and don’t feel like it changes the picture much. You’re adding Toad, Sauron, and Attuma who are immune but also adding some non-immune healers like Rintrah, Wong, Idoom, and Spot (if you count willpower healing via the buff immunity debuff). It also, just as notably, added two cosmics in Gorr and Hulkling who were very meta defenders, still are to varying degrees, have lots of healing, and counter heal block without countering regen rate reduction.

EdisonLaw

They can still be heal blocked though

Awesomep12

Seems to me that a few great champs for their ability to reverse regen is pretty much useless for that ability. Seems like the node that says “regen cannot be reversed” is pretty standard now in situations where these champs are needed.

It's good in certain scenarios. Amazing against specific bosses that heal too much.

Emilia90

What champs nowadays even need regen reversed? I can’t even think of a problematic regen node or champ in a while

captain_rogers

What champs nowadays even need regen reversed? I can’t even think of a problematic regen node or champ in a while

serpent

Magrailothos

What champs nowadays even need regen reversed? I can’t even think of a problematic regen node or champ in a while

Would've been nice to do it to Absman in that first Winter of Woe match-up.

Cloudddey_bro

What champs nowadays even need regen reversed? I can’t even think of a problematic regen node or champ in a while
Would've been nice to do it to Absman in that first Winter of Woe match-up.

Indomitable was like the very first node he had

EdisonLaw

What champs nowadays even need regen reversed? I can’t even think of a problematic regen node or champ in a while

Absorbing Man?

DNA3000

It is pretty wild how game power creep has completely deleted a mechanic that some champs are designed with. Champs are released with their regen rates unable to be modified/reversed or every single node a champ with healing is on has immunity to heal reversal. Thats just bad game design and purely a decision based on money.

Like why even have it reverse healing if every single use of it is denied. Might as well just be a heal block and thats it

Much like it is just bad game design to give champs bleed, and then release bleed immune champs. Why even have bleed if you’re going to allow bleed immunity?

I say this with as much sarcasm as i can fit into the words, but this is a thing that actually happened back in the day. When Blade was the flavor of the month, there were people actually claiming that releasing a bunch of bleed immune champs was a form of stealth nerf on the champ. Which is literally the argument above: that if a thing exists, counters to that thing shouldn’t exist because that is greedy/lazy/poor game design.

It sounds ridiculous when it come to bleed. Except once upon a time real people actually tried to make that argument. And the current ones involving regeneration rate or masteries or anything else are just Mad Libs replacements of that same idea.

The devs are never going to stop adding new effects to the game, and they are not going to stop making counters to those effects, or counters to those counters, because no matter how many posts some people make about how that is bad game design, that’s actually proper game design. If you don’t like it, you don’t like it. But claiming it is bad game design when anyone with any sort of background in game design would know that’s literally the point to iterative design is really ice skating uphill.

Does anyone actually think there’s a game designer alive that would look at such a comment and go, oh, well, I guess it’s bad I should stop doing it then. Me, and everyone else in the world.

Maat1985

pot, meet kettle.....

Average_Desi

Was waiting for one of these blocks/bundles of nonsense from you.

I’ll take the jail time. You’re kind of a condescending ****.

You're not even in the conversation😭😭

Squidopus

Was waiting for one of these blocks/bundles of nonsense from you.

I’ll take the jail time. You’re kind of a condescending ****.
You're not even in the conversation😭😭

Guy just barged in swinging while yelling that it’s in self-defense lol.