These Realm events prove just how selfish our player base is

PantherusNZ

Data from Kabam and DNA showed how very viable the Crystal opening event was, thankfully Brian wasn't as selfish as so many others and took one for the team - frankly that was a no-win situation he was put in.

Now we have Battlegrounds as the next realm event, and we again have complaint after complaint after complaint from people proclaiming that they're not going to do it because "the rewards aren't worth it" or "it's too hard" or whatever, it's so sad! Event explicitly designed to encourage playing and having us work together instead have us turning on each other and just throwing blame instead of just playing the darn game!

Heck, we had someone just complain that they didn't know they had to open the requisite 1000 crystals to qualify for the final milestone in the crystal event, meaning it was abundently clear that they COULD have opened many more crystals than they did, they just chose not to...because...reasons...?

At least Battlegrounds I can understand a little more of people not participating, it's more active, takes more time and effort, and losing a lot can be demoralising. But there are SO MANY rewards on offer if you put in that effort - not only is there the realm event which gives plenty of rewards, but you get the special ticket thingees for just 1 win every 2 days, and of course the Deathless She-Hulk piece at the end if you can manage that. Not to mention the general goodies in the BG store - if nothing else I always get the 5* shards every time they replenish because 3500 tokens gets me enough for 5 5* crystals which I then use to buy dual-class crystals and they sit around until I need a specific class of ISO.

But people don't do it, because "it's not worth it"?? Seriously?

Sigh...OK, that's enough negativity.

Massive thanks and congrats to all those who have been pumping out BG matches, thanks and keep going, I'm pushing on for my own grind and hope to make GC in about a week, depending on how often I can play.

To those who aren't bothering, come on, this is something we can legitimately do together. You want to "stick it to kabam"? Play the frigging game and we ALL reap the rewards! Seriously, it's win/win/win.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Let people play whatever they want and how the f they want to. No one has to feel pressured in to playing for the sake of other's.

HungaryHippo

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Let people play whatever they want and how the f they want to. No one has to feel pressured in to playing for the sake of other's.

Damn, what’s your in game. Just checking to make sure you’re not in my alliance.

PantherusNZ

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Let people play whatever they want and how the f they want to. No one has to feel pressured in to playing for the sake of other's.

I've literally seen people say that they only do Battlegrounds when their alliance forces them to for the alliance event minimums, but now that it's the whole playerbase wanting to work together so that we all benefit, they're not going to do it. By all means people can play how they want to, but when you have people DELIBERATELY refusing to play because they aren't being forced to and don't want to help out the entire player base, that's selfish, simple.

Play how you want, by all means, just realise that refusing to do this when you normally would is a terrible attitude.

GroundedWisdom

Two issues. First off, the Events were too far of a reach in general. They're not as attainable for the Player base as Road to the Crypt.
Secondly, you can't call everyone selfish just because they're not grinding their fingers off in BGs.

Bendy

I havent started bgs as i dont like it so what am i selfish just because i dont like a game mode?

ahmynuts

It's less of "it's too hard" and more that the design of the entire event from the way players get points, to how the rewards are structured is very discouraging for players and makes them not want to do it.
It is not a well designed event and players don't feel properly motivated or compensated for their time and effort so they don't want to do it

Eb0ny-O-M4w

PantherusNZ said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Let people play whatever they want and how the f they want to. No one has to feel pressured in to playing for the sake of other's.

By all means people can play how they want to, but when you have people DELIBERATELY refusing to play because they aren't being forced to and don't want to help out the entire player base, that's selfish, simple.

Absolutely incorrect. It's literally the other way around, you "demanding" others to play the game against their will is a selfish behaviour on your part. Don't come here trying to guilt trip other's to play the game for you. What they decide to play or not has nothing to do with you.

Ourobøros

Those were very poor rewards, not worth the effort or even BG """sacrifice"""

spidyjedi84

Moving the Elder Marks to point totals you have to meet because you eliminated the Alliance Event that awarded similar amounts was the hugest whiff. At a certain point, my alt is not going to keep up in BGS.

The 6-star signature stones, though? Yeah, that's a fire reward. I'm going to have a 200 sig Nick Fury within the next week.

PantherusNZ

Bendy said:

I havent started bgs as i dont like it so what am i selfish just because i dont like a game mode?

That's completely fine. You didn't do it before, and you won't do it now? Fine, your input wasn't in any of the data calculations and is no issue whatsoever.

My issue is with the people who are deliberately not doing it as a form of protest against the Realm event when they normally would have done it.

GroundedWisdom said:

Two issues. First off, the Events were too far of a reach in general. They're not as attainable for the Player base as Road to the Crypt.
Secondly, you can't call everyone selfish just because they're not grinding their fingers off in BGs.

Road to the Crypt really isn't comparable to these 2 Realm events. People were running Necropolis anyway, dying anyway, getting the completion/exploration rewards anyway, and the Road to the Crypt rewards on top of it were just a bonus. Nobody was foldng their arms like the Pingu meme and refusing to do the event in some form of protest. That IS happening with these events. I have no issue with people not "grinding their fingers off" - I'm not, I'm playing BGs only marginally more than I did the last couple of seasons and pretty much only just keeping touch with the milestone minimums. I'm hoping to push a bit harder soon.

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Absolutely incorrect. It's literally the other way around, you "demanding" others to play the game against their will is a selfish behaviour on your part. Don't come here trying to guilt trip other's to play the game for you. What they decide to play or not has nothing to do with you.

LOL - congratulations on missing the point so completely.

I'm not "demanding" anything. I'm not asking people to do anything "against their will" or guilt trip anything. People decide what they want to do - 100%.

If you don't like Battlegrounds, don't do them, fine. If you DO like battlegrounds, do them, fine. Heck, I don't like it that the new event means you have to do AQ and AW to get enough points for the bounties, meaning a lot of people are going to have to do stuff they don't normally do just to participate, that sucks.

How many people said, during the Crystal opening event, something to the effect of "we're not going to reach the milestones so I'm not going to bother participating"? LOTS, and that's just those who said so publically in the forums/reddit/whatever. People are saying the same now "the milestones are unattainable so I'm not going to bother"

Guess what, if everyone who "didn't bother" just did what they normally would, then we'd hit the milestones with very little struggle, but they don't, so we struggle and certain people are left feeling like they have to grind on overdrive to earn the points for everyone else.

It's like all those people who declare that they won't vote because "it won't make any difference" - if they all voted, they darn well WOULD make a difference.

DNA3000

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

PantherusNZ said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Let people play whatever they want and how the f they want to. No one has to feel pressured in to playing for the sake of other's.

By all means people can play how they want to, but when you have people DELIBERATELY refusing to play because they aren't being forced to and don't want to help out the entire player base, that's selfish, simple.

Absolutely incorrect. It's literally the other way around, you "demanding" others to play the game against their will is a selfish behaviour on your part. Don't come here trying to guilt trip other's to play the game for you. What they decide to play or not has nothing to do with you.

Let's keep in mind we're playing a massively multiplayer game, not a massively single player game with global chat.

There is a healthy middle ground here. Saying "everyone should do whatever they want and everyone else should mind their own business" is literally contrary to the reason the game exists. The social interactions of the game are not incidental, they *are* the game in large part.

The social dynamic should be that everyone should be encouraging others to participate. That's part of the fun. Now, of course there's no way for everyone to end up exactly down the center line here. Some players will interpret encouragement as harassment, and conversely some players will go over the line from encouragement to deliberate harassment. That's what happens when your customers are humans and not robots.

This game does not have alliances because it needed a way to give out loyalty. And it is not adding realm events because the game has too many eggs in the crystal vaults. Players interacting with players is part of the game. And the people who are saying "everyone who doesn't do what I want is selfish" are not on the opposite side from the players saying "mind your own business." They are both on the same side of being the anti-social element of the playerbase we could use a lot less of. Just two different sides of the same annoying coin.

If someone genuinely doesn't want to open crystals or fight battleground matches or whatever, that's entirely their prerogative. And no one should be genuinely harassed for it. That is completely unacceptable. But those treating the discussion around participation as if every question about participation is harassment need to take a pill and go lie down. Some playful and not-so-playful banter is going to happen. You can complain about it, just like people still complain about rigged crystals and reward patents. Just expect the appropriate response when you do.

Chief_Wiggum

This was exactly as i predicted.. and same thing will happen in the BG event.
Too many people will sit back and let the whales do all the work.. where that is just not even possible.
"Whales" will not want to spend to benefit everybody else either... ending the event at 70% at best.

victor158

DNA3000 said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

PantherusNZ said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Let people play whatever they want and how the f they want to. No one has to feel pressured in to playing for the sake of other's.

By all means people can play how they want to, but when you have people DELIBERATELY refusing to play because they aren't being forced to and don't want to help out the entire player base, that's selfish, simple.

Absolutely incorrect. It's literally the other way around, you "demanding" others to play the game against their will is a selfish behaviour on your part. Don't come here trying to guilt trip other's to play the game for you. What they decide to play or not has nothing to do with you.

Let's keep in mind we're playing a massively multiplayer game, not a massively single player game with global chat.

There is a healthy middle ground here. Saying "everyone should do whatever they want and everyone else should mind their own business" is literally contrary to the reason the game exists. The social interactions of the game are not incidental, they *are* the game in large part.

The social dynamic should be that everyone should be encouraging others to participate. That's part of the fun. Now, of course there's no way for everyone to end up exactly down the center line here. Some players will interpret encouragement as harassment, and conversely some players will go over the line from encouragement to deliberate harassment. That's what happens when your customers are humans and not robots.

This game does not have alliances because it needed a way to give out loyalty. And it is not adding realm events because the game has too many eggs in the crystal vaults. Players interacting with players is part of the game. And the people who are saying "everyone who doesn't do what I want is selfish" are not on the opposite side from the players saying "mind your own business." They are both on the same side of being the anti-social element of the playerbase we could use a lot less of. Just two different sides of the same annoying coin.

If someone genuinely doesn't want to open crystals or fight battleground matches or whatever, that's entirely their prerogative. And no one should be genuinely harassed for it. That is completely unacceptable. But those treating the discussion around participation as if every question about participation is harassment need to take a pill and go lie down. Some playful and not-so-playful banter is going to happen. You can complain about it, just like people still complain about rigged crystals and reward patents. Just expect the appropriate response when you do.

Are you doing the expected result / needed rate graph for this event too?

by my quick maths its been a week and were at 220k so we are on track for at least 880k, and i would assume the rate is only going to increase when more people reach gc. idk why people are so determined to hate a new thing, with rewards miles better than what we normally get for bgs. The same exact people would probably complain that the game has gotten stale if kabam didnt try new things like this

Chief_Wiggum

I predict the GC push will decrease the points rate. most people will win more than lose in VT.
GC will frustrate alot of people losing either due to better players around them if they push up or just the nodes are difficult when you HAVE to intercept with the current AI that goes very passive at random moments. Many people will get frustrated and will not want to spend Marks in the GC and only use energy if they even bother with just a few matches every other day.

Herbal_Taxman

I’m not sure your premise is correct about VT vs GC points, but I do agree that Crit Me is a tough meta to try and incentivize widespread partcipation in GC. I personally enjoy it, but I don’t expect to win a lot of matches. I like playing in a non-nuke meta where there are lots of unexpected outcomes in matchups, etc. But I can also understand people who say “this meta is frustrating as hell” and “I can’t use most of my top champs.” Another thing for Kabam to evaluate at the end. Maybe tune the list of potential metas to maximize general participation if that’s the point of the event.

DNA3000

victor158 said:

DNA3000 said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

PantherusNZ said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Let people play whatever they want and how the f they want to. No one has to feel pressured in to playing for the sake of other's.

By all means people can play how they want to, but when you have people DELIBERATELY refusing to play because they aren't being forced to and don't want to help out the entire player base, that's selfish, simple.

Absolutely incorrect. It's literally the other way around, you "demanding" others to play the game against their will is a selfish behaviour on your part. Don't come here trying to guilt trip other's to play the game for you. What they decide to play or not has nothing to do with you.

Let's keep in mind we're playing a massively multiplayer game, not a massively single player game with global chat.

There is a healthy middle ground here. Saying "everyone should do whatever they want and everyone else should mind their own business" is literally contrary to the reason the game exists. The social interactions of the game are not incidental, they *are* the game in large part.

The social dynamic should be that everyone should be encouraging others to participate. That's part of the fun. Now, of course there's no way for everyone to end up exactly down the center line here. Some players will interpret encouragement as harassment, and conversely some players will go over the line from encouragement to deliberate harassment. That's what happens when your customers are humans and not robots.

This game does not have alliances because it needed a way to give out loyalty. And it is not adding realm events because the game has too many eggs in the crystal vaults. Players interacting with players is part of the game. And the people who are saying "everyone who doesn't do what I want is selfish" are not on the opposite side from the players saying "mind your own business." They are both on the same side of being the anti-social element of the playerbase we could use a lot less of. Just two different sides of the same annoying coin.

If someone genuinely doesn't want to open crystals or fight battleground matches or whatever, that's entirely their prerogative. And no one should be genuinely harassed for it. That is completely unacceptable. But those treating the discussion around participation as if every question about participation is harassment need to take a pill and go lie down. Some playful and not-so-playful banter is going to happen. You can complain about it, just like people still complain about rigged crystals and reward patents. Just expect the appropriate response when you do.

Are you doing the expected result / needed rate graph for this event too?

by my quick maths its been a week and were at 220k so we are on track for at least 880k, and i would assume the rate is only going to increase when more people reach gc. idk why people are so determined to hate a new thing, with rewards miles better than what we normally get for bgs. The same exact people would probably complain that the game has gotten stale if kabam didnt try new things like this

Been busy with Crystal Cleanse wrap up, the rewards kerfuffle, and a bunch of work, but I have been collecting data and I should have the week one wrap up out later today.

Spoiler: we're behind the curve a bit, as we were initially for Crystal Cleanse, but unlike Crystal Cleanse all evidence points to realm points going up as time goes on, not down. So while a linear estimation might look discouraging at the moment, the data I'm looking at looks a lot more promising in total.

Terminatrix

To me, it's no big deal since I'll be doing BGs anyway. My goal every season is to get to Vibranium l. I'll reach that goal and get extra bonus along the way.

I personally think the community events are a decent idea. It's kind of like having one big alliance without Line or Discord lol. It's seems like they're partially piggybacking off of Necropolis.

The only thing I would change are the rewards. If Kabam is wanting beyond the usual participation from players, these should have been better. IMO the top community rewards should be something like a Titan Nexus, a 7* Nexus, 2 additional T4 Alphas and at least 20 generic sig stones.

Two guaranteed 7* champs, that players can rank up, will give players the motivation to do some extra BG's grind, and isn't enough to cause Kabam to panic over the whole "ruining the economy of the game" defense. We're over a year into having 7*'s now, and have been getting some freebies here and there, so grinding for 2 more freebies shouldn't be a problem.

But in order to ensure individual contribution, there should a high minimum solo point milestone requirement. That way, all of the hardwork doesn't fall on others while allowing those who barely participated collect stellar rewards that they didn't contribute towards.

But anyway..yeah I'll be doing it.

MrTicTac19992008

Cry me a river

ccrider474

I wouldn't say selfish persay and can't speak for others but I personally hate bg. They are a time suck that I only have so much of. Aq/aw, monthly quests, arena for units, sq, special quests like sos, incursions there is only so much time in the game so why would I focus on a mode I don't enjoy. The game wide events are a fantastic idea but locking them to one game mode is a flaw.

Ultimately this is just a game and I don't care what the rewards are I'm not wasting my time having no fun grinding and hating every minute of it, I might as well go to work then.

Future ones should incorporate more game modes. For context I'm on 3rd milestone on that bg thing because of how little I do but the allaince deadpool one I just crossed 10k points myself as I like incursions, aq, aw.

PT_99

Just play BG lol

Josh2507

I don’t like battlegrounds and this event doesn’t offer enough for me to give it another try

Sundance_2099

I don't like BG and my roster isn't up to it. I'm ignoring it. I don't care what anyone says about my non-participation. I don't think I've looked at the rewards.

SirGamesBond

I hope people stop playing BGs altogether. Time investment is not worth it.

Colinwhitworth69

PantherusNZ said:

Play the frigging game and we ALL reap the rewards! Seriously, it's win/win/win.

I had 14K-plus score for crystal opening event. What was yours?

tnair2015

Rewards should have been enticing enough for players who normally wont play BG would be tempted to play it. Those who play very casually up their playtime in BG, or grinders, well, you are already doing enough .

altavista

You know what is actually selfish? BG itself.

Winning for yourself to get the rewards and costing another player their time/energy/elder marks. Winning for your alliance, so that other alliances results in a loss. Using your BG rewards to rank up annoying defenders / overpowered offense, to make other players lose more. Choosing to turn on masteries that make it more difficult for other players. Etc, etc, etc.

This is the core fatal wound for how this event is conceived.
Necropolis realm event is entirely communal.
Crystal realm event is kind of communal, but neutral at worst.
BG realm event is this weird individualistic vs communal hodge podge that doesn't quite work thematically.

And you know what - your post is not helping things whatsoever.
There are a ton of negative posts about BG realm events, which will start reinforcing the idea that players aren't gonna reach the goal (despite there being a Crashed reply somewhere saying that he thinks we'll make it), which will make more players opt out of pushing hard in BG, which will make no reaching the top BG milestones a reality. Perception can become reality.

Just as you are complaining that "Players are spiting Kabam by purposefully not playing", there will also be players that spite players for demanding that they play.

All you can do is play BG, encourage people as opposed to try to shame people, and talk about how feasible it is to reach the goal.

SlayerOfGods

PantherusNZ said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Let people play whatever they want and how the f they want to. No one has to feel pressured in to playing for the sake of other's.

Play how you want, by all means, just realise that refusing to do this when you normally would is a terrible attitude.

Who are you to think like this?

ahmynuts

SlayerOfGods said:

PantherusNZ said:

Eb0ny-O-M4w said:

Let people play whatever they want and how the f they want to. No one has to feel pressured in to playing for the sake of other's.

Play how you want, by all means, just realise that refusing to do this when you normally would is a terrible attitude.

Who are you to think like this?

Someone who hasn't yet been humbled by great ape vegeta in sparking zero

captain_rogers

That's why they should've added solo events as well as realm events. Then the So called "Selfish players" would also try pointmaxxing and end up contributing for the realm events.

NONYABIZZ

Terminatrix said:

To me, it's no big deal since I'll be doing BGs anyway. My goal every season is to get to Vibranium l. I'll reach that goal and get extra bonus along the way.

I personally think the community events are a decent idea. It's kind of like having one big alliance without Line or Discord lol. It's seems like they're partially piggybacking off of Necropolis.

The only thing I would change are the rewards. If Kabam is wanting beyond the usual participation from players, these should have been better. IMO the top community rewards should be something like a Titan Nexus, a 7* Nexus, 2 additional T4 Alphas and at least 20 generic sig stones.

Two guaranteed 7* champs, that players can rank up, will give players the motivation to do some extra BG's grind, and isn't enough to cause Kabam to panic over the whole "ruining the economy of the game" defense. We're over a year into having 7*'s now, and have been getting some freebies here and there, so grinding for 2 more freebies shouldn't be a problem.

But in order to ensure individual contribution, there should a high minimum solo point milestone requirement. That way, all of the hardwork doesn't fall on others while allowing those who barely participated collect stellar rewards that they didn't contribute towards.

But anyway..yeah I'll be doing it.

Ohh, and why exactly would an uncollected, cavalier and thronebreaker need these rewards 😐. A titan nexus, which hasn't even been introduced into the game yet should be given out to anybody who manages to play BG and hit the 5k point mark?? They already get alpha t4 shards WHICH HAS BEEN SUPERRRR RARE to valiant players since 2 months ago.

Keep in mind that these rewards ARE NOT progression based. They're literally giving out t4 alpha shards to ANYBODY regardless of progression as long as we meet those milestones.
These rewards are definitely FINE, the crystal cleanse rewards were garbage but this one is very good even for a valiant player I'm sorry.

I only disagree with them Making the points so high, 800m is ALOT. They probably expected a lot of players to do BG this time because deathless she hulk piece was locked at vibranium 1 which would get players like myself who only play 5 matches to get those bulk BG tokens at the start of every season to actually do a lot this time around. Which I intend to.