iDoom - Give him protection from Mystics

BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,369 ★★★★★
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IDoom coming out as a 7 star gives the team a chance to address a clear flaw in his kit.

This is a sorcerer supreme level character in the comics, when he was released tech champs starting getting abilities like nullify immunity but not idoom. OS, Viv, OG Iron Man, Civil Warrior, etc all get this level of protection because 🤷‍♂️ but not an actual mystic again because 🤷‍♂️.

This is on the level of silly as Ghost Rider incinerate immunity or Iceman without coldsnap immunity. Let fix it!

He clearly was meant to have based on the added nodes he gets whenever he’s a planned boss fight. Just look at the SoS Gauntlet.

So Kabam make it happen.

Sincerely a summoner who just pulled iDoom, always liked him, but hates how much of a fatal flaw he has vs a class he should be strong against.

Comments

  • dr2wsdr2ws Member Posts: 390 ★★
    Haha I had this conversation on global, we were questioning how Arcade is a tech champ with literal zero properties like one, dragon man is a robot but he is a mystic, scarlett witch is mystic but is a mutant, but here is more understandable I guess, some make little sense including immunities.
  • shield311shield311 Member Posts: 880 ★★★
    edited October 27
    dr2ws said:

    Haha I had this conversation on global, we were questioning how Arcade is a tech champ with literal zero properties like one, dragon man is a robot but he is a mystic, scarlett witch is mystic but is a mutant, but here is more understandable I guess, some make little sense including immunities.

    Scarlet witch's primary power is magic and spells.
    Dragon man was given life by Diablo using alchemy and magic hence mystic.

  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,369 ★★★★★
    edited October 27
    EdisonLaw said:

    I wanted this the most for Idoom. Like it makes so much sense for his armor up to be nullify immune.

    Far more than any other tech. I think it’s hilarious that he always gets this protection as a questing defender. They know it’s an exploitable flaw.
  • ThePredator1001ThePredator1001 Member Posts: 867 ★★★★
    They won’t touch him, but it would definitely make sense for him to be immune to nullify or atleast his armor up buff should be immune to nullify.
  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,369 ★★★★★
    ThePredator1001 said:

    They won’t touch him, but it would definitely make sense for him to be immune to nullify or atleast his armor up buff should be immune to nullify.

    It took years of asking why a man with a flaming head wasn’t incinerate immune for them to act…but they finally made the common sense change. I think we just gotta keep asking.
  • Bugmat78Bugmat78 Member Posts: 2,381 ★★★★★
    When he was released I made a thread about this - he should be armor break and nullify immune to every class except cosmic.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,656 ★★★★★
    Bugmat78 said:

    When he was released I made a thread about this - he should be armor break and nullify immune to every class except cosmic.

    Yes it’s literally Victor Von Doom, master of tech and magic
  • OurobørosOurobøros Member Posts: 1,697 ★★★★
    Not Even Doom himself has that kind of protection in the game
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,605 ★★★★★
    Where are the fellas who r5ed him over nimrod when he was released 😂
  • MizuriNicoleMizuriNicole Member Posts: 265 ★★★
    Sorry to disappoint you but the champ is already out several years and if he was released as 7-star
    means kabam over checked him again and he's the final product ready to be consumed.

    He won't be changed, thats why I believe he's one of the worst pulls as well in that Titan.
  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 1,471 ★★★
    dr2ws said:

    Haha I had this conversation on global, we were questioning how Arcade is a tech champ with literal zero properties like one, dragon man is a robot but he is a mystic, scarlett witch is mystic but is a mutant, but here is more understandable I guess, some make little sense including immunities.

    Dragon man was a robot that was brought to life by magic, hence mystic.
  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,369 ★★★★★
    edited October 27
    BuggyDClown said:

    By this logic

    Doom should have reverse control immunity, AAR immune

    Dormamu should be incinerate immune, reverse control immune, and top tier attacker

    Dr strange ( pre 12.0)

    OG Thor should inflict shock

    Scarlet witch should have reverse control in her kit and immunity at the same time

    Apoc should have mind control abilities and immunity as well

    Blade should be OP against only vampire in this game ( morbius)

    OG Deadpool should bleed champs and more potent regen

    Gwenpool (iykyk)

    Mantis should have some kind of mind control skill immunities.


    List can go on what characters are lacking in respective to thier own design and lore


    I-Doom is perfectly fine. Just you got him as 7 star doens't mean he need to be buffed. I have 6r5A. And I use him all the time. Glad his Armor can be taken down by nullify otherwise in endgame content with some nodes, he can be literally nightmare.

    Rather than OP champs getting tune up, I would see some othe forgotten champs get some kind of buff so they can shine again. Like Morning star, SL, Rhino, Etc etc

    You could but in end game content they frequently give him nullify immunity. So that note is irrelevant. He’s a tech champ, 99% of that kit is tied to that one buff… it should be harder to remove than it is.

    Pulling him as a 7, simply reminded me why I never use the 6star. I’ll be ok if he doesn’t get this tweak, IDoom isn’t. He’s a Bishop specialist that we never actually needed
  • Childish_AlminoChildish_Almino Member Posts: 50 ★
    Can’t stand all the IDoom slander here. Yes, I’d kill to make Kabam give him the nullify immunity but y’all talking like he’s another Drax. The armor up and his damage were his two weaknesses and the 7* fixes the damage problem. With the nullify immunity or even armor break immune against non-cosmics he’d be the tech champ we all wanted and needed but he’s still amazing without those things.
  • Heruzu369Heruzu369 Member Posts: 139 ★★
    Childish_Almino said:

    Can’t stand all the IDoom slander here. Yes, I’d kill to make Kabam give him the nullify immunity but y’all talking like he’s another Drax. The armor up and his damage were his two weaknesses and the 7* fixes the damage problem. With the nullify immunity or even armor break immune against non-cosmics he’d be the tech champ we all wanted and needed but he’s still amazing without those things.

    No one is slandering the champ here; just pointing out a big yet simple flaw that’s more of a quality of a life change than a massive buff to damage output or survivability or anything. I also have a R2 Idoom AND a 6* R5, AND is one of the summoners who still have him up and not Nimrod(replying to the other comment with this one); so I clearly love the champ. The change would be a great update to his kit and I don’t think anyone has a legitimately reason why he SHOULDN’T, other than “well Kabam hasn’t done this with this other champ sooo leave it alone”.
    Not to offend anyone but I think that’s a weak claim to make that doesn’t really substantiate anything. Any champ at any time can receive an update; whether a quality of life fix or a bug fix. Some are faster than others, but as long as we keep asking; no harm, no foul. It’s a fair request I think we can keep making and hopefully eventually Kabam may agree and give us Idoom fans a bone that won’t break the game at all in any significant fashion
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,171 ★★★★★
    Justice for war machine too.
    Bro is 100% metal and can't get his Armor up back once its gone.
  • Childish_AlminoChildish_Almino Member Posts: 50 ★
    Heruzu369 said:

    Childish_Almino said:

    Can’t stand all the IDoom slander here. Yes, I’d kill to make Kabam give him the nullify immunity but y’all talking like he’s another Drax. The armor up and his damage were his two weaknesses and the 7* fixes the damage problem. With the nullify immunity or even armor break immune against non-cosmics he’d be the tech champ we all wanted and needed but he’s still amazing without those things.

    No one is slandering the champ here; just pointing out a big yet simple flaw that’s more of a quality of a life change than a massive buff to damage output or survivability or anything. I also have a R2 Idoom AND a 6* R5, AND is one of the summoners who still have him up and not Nimrod(replying to the other comment with this one); so I clearly love the champ. The change would be a great update to his kit and I don’t think anyone has a legitimately reason why he SHOULDN’T, other than “well Kabam hasn’t done this with this other champ sooo leave it alone”.
    Not to offend anyone but I think that’s a weak claim to make that doesn’t really substantiate anything. Any champ at any time can receive an update; whether a quality of life fix or a bug fix. Some are faster than others, but as long as we keep asking; no harm, no foul. It’s a fair request I think we can keep making and hopefully eventually Kabam may agree and give us Idoom fans a bone that won’t break the game at all in any significant fashion
    Oh yeah, I didn’t wanna sound too gnarly so sorry if I did. I 100% stand behind your thought of updating him as he definitely wouldn’t be broken and the tech class is THE most lacking class in general. Kabam‘s fear of making the tech class good against anything other than mutants is gonna keep them from buffing him though, although they barely do small buffs like that anyway. So best chance is keep asking and maybe mention it in livestreams too?
  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,369 ★★★★★
    SirGamesBond said:

    Justice for war machine too.
    Bro is 100% metal and can't get his Armor up back once its gone.

    Completely agree with this take. Every other Armor Up buff reliant champ gets theirs back. It’s a beyond fair ask.

    Rhodes not being nullify immune makes sense though. He’s just a smart guy’s BFF.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,656 ★★★★★
    BigBlueOx said:

    SirGamesBond said:

    Justice for war machine too.
    Bro is 100% metal and can't get his Armor up back once its gone.

    Completely agree with this take. Every other Armor Up buff reliant champ gets theirs back. It’s a beyond fair ask.

    Rhodes not being nullify immune makes sense though. He’s just a smart guy’s BFF.
    I think it should be like Warlock’s where it comes back after 10 seconds
  • HungaryHippoHungaryHippo Member Posts: 1,054 ★★★★
    Im not sure tech champs are typically protected from mystics. Wouldn’t count on it
  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,369 ★★★★★
    Ourobøros said:

    Not Even Doom himself has that kind of protection in the game

    He’s armor break immune and his core kit doesn’t rely on a buff to be effective. Not sure why he’d need it game wise.

    Timelines wise it could be an argued that IDoom is a later iteration and it’s a new trick he learned if you need that
  • BigBlueOxBigBlueOx Member Posts: 2,369 ★★★★★
    HungaryHippo said:

    Im not sure tech champs are typically protected from mystics. Wouldn’t count on it

    Not counting on it, but going back to OS more often than not they are. Here’s the pool of new releases:


    FAM and CapSam - Get Passive Armors is removed by mystics

    Viv, OS, RedSkull Buff, OG IM buff - there’s a level of nullify immunity in all 4 kits

    Jack, Shocker, Prowler, Arcade, Shuri - abilities are designed with 0 buff reliance. Shuri is even immune to Dex.

    Ironheart, LDS and IDoom, are in the minority without protection from mystics…. But in the case of LDS and Ironheart, their core gameplay ability is tied to something else. LDS gets ferocity, Riri gets her tracking passive, giving them both something without that Armor Up.

    So then IDoom really is on an island here. His utility and the bulk of his damage is tied to this armor up… that happens to be crazy easy to remove. He turns into a potato without it for all practical purposes. He’s the only tech released since 2022 that has this flaw… and he’s the only character with a backstory that makes it make sense for him to actually have it. Kabam on some level agrees with this, look at how often IDoom bosses get this protection from added nodes.

    I just think it’d be more logical to have this in his kit. And it’d open up more match ups for the champ without being game breaking as well since his whole identity is tied to this buff, and it’s not like having it makes him tech Hercules.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,656 ★★★★★
    edited October 27
    BigBlueOx said:

    HungaryHippo said:

    Im not sure tech champs are typically protected from mystics. Wouldn’t count on it

    Not counting on it, but going back to OS more often than not they are. Here’s the pool of new releases:


    FAM and CapSam - Get Passive Armors is removed by mystics

    Viv, OS, RedSkull Buff, OG IM buff - there’s a level of nullify immunity in all 4 kits

    Jack, Shocker, Prowler, Arcade, Shuri - abilities are designed with 0 buff reliance. Shuri is even immune to Dex.

    Ironheart, LDS and IDoom, are in the minority without protection from mystics…. But in the case of LDS and Ironheart, their core gameplay ability is tied to something else. LDS gets ferocity, Riri gets her tracking passive, giving them both something without that Armor Up.

    So then IDoom really is on an island here. His utility and the bulk of his damage is tied to this armor up… that happens to be crazy easy to remove. He turns into a potato without it for all practical purposes. He’s the only tech released since 2022 that has this flaw… and he’s the only character with a backstory that makes it make sense for him to actually have it. Kabam on some level agrees with this, look at how often IDoom bosses get this protection from added nodes.

    I just think it’d be more logical to have this in his kit. And it’d open up more match ups for the champ without being game breaking as well since his whole identity is tied to this buff, and it’s not like having it makes him tech Hercules.
    Speaking of which need a tech Hercules

    #JusticeForTechClass
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