Peni Parker bugged

So i was trying out peni, in the 9.1.3 cant touch this path.
Upon entering the human torch fight with peni, i attempted to dash back and hold block.
The root took effect, but after it ended, i received no true strike passive.
I believe this is a result of peni's abilities counting the node giving her true strike as "enemy abilities" which have -100% AAR.
Please confirm if this is a bug? or something else.

Comments

Drago_von_Drago

This sounds similar to when Apocalypse prevents a node from shrugging a debuff off himself. Nodes are treated the same as defender abilities whether they benefit the attacker or defender so an attacker with any kind of AAR can turn off beneficial node effects the same as detrimental ones.

Furrymoosen

As far as ability accuracy is concerned, you need to always assume that nodes on a fight will count as the opponent's abilities. If you lower their ability accuracy it can also lower the accuracy of nodes whether or not they are beneficial to the player.

Ourobøros

It's the same with Wiccan. If you place an neutralize on the opponent and try to get a buff yourself, it will place an incinerate on the opponent, as if the effect was on you. Try fighting Knull, you place neutralize on Knull and when he activates sp2 he gets a bunch of incinerates, because sp2 places armor break and Wiccan is immune to it.

captain_rogers

It's the same with Wiccan. If you place an neutralize on the opponent and try to get a buff yourself, it will place an incinerate on the opponent, as if the effect was on you. Try fighting Knull, you place neutralize on Knull and when he activates sp2 he gets a bunch of incinerates, because sp2 places armor break and Wiccan is immune to it.

It doesn't work on all buffs, like dexterity. But if you're talking about placebo buffs or other buffs from nodes, then yeah.

One interesting interaction that comes to my mind is ccp tigra challenge.you have to use tigra + jabari for this challenges and one might assume jabari is just there so tigra can do the warlock fight (nullify synergy). But actually in no way tigra can do dormammu fight, since he has buffed up and when tigra inflicts neutralize, she can't get any buffs. Kabam is aware of the interaction it seems.

Average_Desi

Intended

SirGamesBond

Intended

Accidental interaction becoming a feature, due to lack of tech? (Like many of the old interactions)

Ourobøros

It's the same with Wiccan. If you place an neutralize on the opponent and try to get a buff yourself, it will place an incinerate on the opponent, as if the effect was on you. Try fighting Knull, you place neutralize on Knull and when he activates sp2 he gets a bunch of incinerates, because sp2 places armor break and Wiccan is immune to it.
It doesn't work on all buffs, like dexterity. But if you're talking about placebo buffs or other buffs from nodes, then yeah.

One interesting interaction that comes to my mind is ccp tigra challenge.you have to use tigra + jabari for this challenges and one might assume jabari is just there so tigra can do the warlock fight (nullify synergy). But actually in no way tigra can do dormammu fight, since he has buffed up and when tigra inflicts neutralize, she can't get any buffs. Kabam is aware of the interaction it seems.

Not referring to node, just basic champ kit, if you duel Wiccan/Knull it'll work. Whenever any immunities trigger, be it buff unable to trigger from neutralize, or Wiccan armor break immunity, or Hulkling shock immunity or any other ones, it triggers. It's like his neutralize work on any ability that fails, not only buffs

Average_Desi

Intended
Accidental interaction becoming a feature, due to lack of tech? (Like many of the old interactions)

It's not an accidental interaction. It is an interaction that follows the rules set by the game. And it's not die to lack of tech. Aar immunity tech already exists. They didn't use it is all. Didn't bother using it I guess.

It's more a design thing. How many other nodes in act 8 and 9 have the Adamant Axiom node to prevent AAR. Unless of course, this node also has it and the aar of peni is somehow bypassing it

SirGamesBond

Intended
Accidental interaction becoming a feature, due to lack of tech? (Like many of the old interactions)
It's not an accidental interaction. It is an interaction that follows the rules set by the game. And it's not die to lack of tech. Aar immunity tech already exists. They didn't use it is all. Didn't bother using it I guess.

It's more a design thing. How many other nodes in act 8 and 9 have the Adamant Axiom node to prevent AAR. Unless of course, this node also has it and the aar of peni is somehow bypassing it

I don't see how putting a neutralize on an defender should make attacker not gain buffs. Unless is it's a tech issue.

At the end of the day it's the attacker who is using the ability to neutralize a defender and not putting a neutralize on itself.
...

Let's take og black widow, she reduces aar of hulking from activating buffs, but she will never fail to gain her buffs from her special attacks.

Another example can be apoc,
Let's say Apoc got his 100% evade charges vs a defender and defender cannot evade anymore, but if you use Nick fury quake synergy, apoc will still evade the first three hits no matter what.

This is inconsistent.

Pikolu

Intended
Accidental interaction becoming a feature, due to lack of tech? (Like many of the old interactions)
It's not an accidental interaction. It is an interaction that follows the rules set by the game. And it's not die to lack of tech. Aar immunity tech already exists. They didn't use it is all. Didn't bother using it I guess.

It's more a design thing. How many other nodes in act 8 and 9 have the Adamant Axiom node to prevent AAR. Unless of course, this node also has it and the aar of peni is somehow bypassing it
I don't see how putting a neutralize on an defender should make attacker not gain buffs. Unless is it's a tech issue.

At the end of the day it's the attacker who is using the ability to neutralize a defender and not putting a neutralize on itself.
...

Let's take og black widow, she reduces aar of hulking from activating buffs, but she will never fail to gain her buffs from her special attacks.

Another example can be apoc,
Let's say Apoc got his 100% evade charges vs a defender and defender cannot evade anymore, but if you use Nick fury quake synergy, apoc will still evade the first three hits no matter what.

This is inconsistent.

It is quite consistent. If the node is on the opponent, it uses their ability accuracy. Neutralize reduces buff ability accuracy, so if the node is trying to put a buff on you, it will fail. This is 100% consistent with all other effects in the game that are related to nodes. It is why shuri had to be removed from some quest that had a 0% chance of giving you a buff and went up by 20% per armor you ahd or something. It was always stay at 0%. It is also why longshot is a nightmare in hazard shift because he has 300% ability accuracy so that is 75% chance to get bleed on every hit.

Average_Desi

Intended
Accidental interaction becoming a feature, due to lack of tech? (Like many of the old interactions)
It's not an accidental interaction. It is an interaction that follows the rules set by the game. And it's not die to lack of tech. Aar immunity tech already exists. They didn't use it is all. Didn't bother using it I guess.

It's more a design thing. How many other nodes in act 8 and 9 have the Adamant Axiom node to prevent AAR. Unless of course, this node also has it and the aar of peni is somehow bypassing it
I don't see how putting a neutralize on an defender should make attacker not gain buffs. Unless is it's a tech issue.

At the end of the day it's the attacker who is using the ability to neutralize a defender and not putting a neutralize on itself.
...

Let's take og black widow, she reduces aar of hulking from activating buffs, but she will never fail to gain her buffs from her special attacks.

Another example can be apoc,
Let's say Apoc got his 100% evade charges vs a defender and defender cannot evade anymore, but if you use Nick fury quake synergy, apoc will still evade the first three hits no matter what.

This is inconsistent.

If I place a 100% tranquilize passive(reduces ability accuracy of debuffs) on Kingpin(let's say he's the defender),

would his parry stun still apply?
Would his sp1 degen be apply to proc?
Would he be able to gain rage debuffs?

And, if I place a 100% concussion on Manthing, would he still be able to place his pustule debuffs?

SirGamesBond

Don't know what I was thinking at that moment.

I know that neutralize will stop placebo buffs but somehow I thought that it is neutralizing normal Dex buff which is not true, as it is attacker ability and have nothing to do with neutralize.

Aar is reducing anything related to an ability or node on the defender. Which makes more sense and I alredy knew it. Smh

What I wanted to say, maybe this was not intended, to reduce placebo buffs aar but the ruleset which nodes work is working against it. And it can't be contradicted with the same ability on the other side.

SirGamesBond

Intended
Accidental interaction becoming a feature, due to lack of tech? (Like many of the old interactions)
It's not an accidental interaction. It is an interaction that follows the rules set by the game. And it's not die to lack of tech. Aar immunity tech already exists. They didn't use it is all. Didn't bother using it I guess.

It's more a design thing. How many other nodes in act 8 and 9 have the Adamant Axiom node to prevent AAR. Unless of course, this node also has it and the aar of peni is somehow bypassing it
I don't see how putting a neutralize on an defender should make attacker not gain buffs. Unless is it's a tech issue.

At the end of the day it's the attacker who is using the ability to neutralize a defender and not putting a neutralize on itself.
...

Let's take og black widow, she reduces aar of hulking from activating buffs, but she will never fail to gain her buffs from her special attacks.

Another example can be apoc,
Let's say Apoc got his 100% evade charges vs a defender and defender cannot evade anymore, but if you use Nick fury quake synergy, apoc will still evade the first three hits no matter what.

This is inconsistent.
If I place a 100% tranquilize passive(reduces ability accuracy of debuffs) on Kingpin(let's say he's the defender),

would his parry stun still apply?
Would his sp1 degen be apply to proc?
Would he be able to gain rage debuffs?

And, if I place a 100% concussion on Manthing, would he still be able to place his pustule debuffs?

no.
No.
No.
And I get it, that doesn't mean we can't apply debuffs on KP, cause we can.

AHAA!!! gotchya. postules are buffs not debuffs
Thats why tigra clears him with no issues)l
But yea, it's concussion, and any ability which is coming from the defender's side, won't work.

Average_Desi

Intended
Accidental interaction becoming a feature, due to lack of tech? (Like many of the old interactions)
It's not an accidental interaction. It is an interaction that follows the rules set by the game. And it's not die to lack of tech. Aar immunity tech already exists. They didn't use it is all. Didn't bother using it I guess.

It's more a design thing. How many other nodes in act 8 and 9 have the Adamant Axiom node to prevent AAR. Unless of course, this node also has it and the aar of peni is somehow bypassing it
I don't see how putting a neutralize on an defender should make attacker not gain buffs. Unless is it's a tech issue.

At the end of the day it's the attacker who is using the ability to neutralize a defender and not putting a neutralize on itself.
...

Let's take og black widow, she reduces aar of hulking from activating buffs, but she will never fail to gain her buffs from her special attacks.

Another example can be apoc,
Let's say Apoc got his 100% evade charges vs a defender and defender cannot evade anymore, but if you use Nick fury quake synergy, apoc will still evade the first three hits no matter what.

This is inconsistent.
If I place a 100% tranquilize passive(reduces ability accuracy of debuffs) on Kingpin(let's say he's the defender),

would his parry stun still apply?
Would his sp1 degen be apply to proc?
Would he be able to gain rage debuffs?

And, if I place a 100% concussion on Manthing, would he still be able to place his pustule debuffs?
no.
No.
No.
And I get it, that doesn't mean we can't apply debuffs on KP, cause we can.

AHAA!!! gotchya. postules are buffs not debuffs
Thats why tigra clears him with no issues)l
But yea, it's concussion, and any ability which is coming from the defender's side, won't work.

Bingo. It's not about on whom the buffs/debuffs are being applied, but by whom.