Week 4 SQ Phoenix… What!??

Seems like an easy fight at first. But this Phoenix keeps gaining unstoppable no matter whether is staggered (passive). This part is pretty easy to understand and play around. However, she’s supposed to gain unstoppable only when she gains fury which should be easily managed with most mystics with stagger, nullify, fate seal etc…
What’s funny is she’s gaining unstoppable without any furies and then goes unblockable too!!
Considering defender HP, it can be brute forced easily but what the actual hell is going on here!!!?! I have tried Doom, Abs man, LS, Kushala, Mordo and then a bunch of other mystics! No one seems to deny her the unstoppable!!
Can someone test this fight and tell me what I am missing?

Comments

PantherusNZ

I ran through her with Wiccan with no trouble at all - just get his neutralise on them ASAP and then keep it up - smooth sailing thereafter.

Someone else in my alliance also mentioned having trouble with her though and that Stagger wasn't working - maybe the coding to trigger the unstoppable/unblockable activates BEFORE stagger takes effect? So they trigger the fury, which triggers the unstoppable/unblockable, THEN Stagger takes effect and nullifies the fury but the unstoppable has already taken hold?

PantherusNZ

Either this is a bug and/or unintended interaction, or you're not SUPPOSED to use stagger champions but rather focus on unstoppable counters - Valkyrie, Chee'ilth, Beta Ray Bill, Abs Man - or Champions using Slow?

KyzerSoze

Ya, I finished the fight in 27 seconds with r1 Wiccan! So, only neutralize champs can stop the fury!?

BigTuna_2054

Purgatory = easy fight

RexnSpike

I found Phoenix & SS were doable with Hood, Longshot. Even getting Chee’ilth to SP1 took them down.
No one, including Doom’s stagger stopped Medusa from getting Unstoppable/Unblockable. Chee’ilth wasn’t bypassing her because of her autoblock limiting getting back to SP1.
Does Wiccan work on her too?
Would love some advice on her.

Fit_Fun9329

Rintrah took care

Frumpy_geezer

Hood
Rintrah
Wiccan
Juggernaut (lots of heavies)

Feuerschwer

Stagger doesn’t work because the way it’s implemented, they get the fury buff, it’s immediately nullified by stagger, but because they gained a fury, even momentarily, the unstoppable triggers. You either need an unstoppable counter or neutralize/fate seal/opponent buff immunity to prevent the furies ever appearing.

PantherusNZ

I found Phoenix & SS were doable with Hood, Longshot. Even getting Chee’ilth to SP1 took them down.
No one, including Doom’s stagger stopped Medusa from getting Unstoppable/Unblockable. Chee’ilth wasn’t bypassing her because of her autoblock limiting getting back to SP1.
Does Wiccan work on her too?
Would love some advice on her.

Wiccan wrecks her. Any neutralise champion breezes through it

HoadyOZ

Threat level 5, using Wiccan for the first 2 fights, i used incinerate MLLLM first to lengthen the timer on MLLLL neutralize. It bought time in case Phoenix behaved too defensive. I used Rintrah on Medusa. Pin her to the wall with root then unblockable sp2 for the win.
7r2 Spider-hm for the bonus boss win.

Buttehrs

That onslaught stinks more than the path if your having that kind of luck on the path. Any onslaught as a boss with extra nodes stinks anyways.

YouDontNeedToKnow

That onslaught stinks more than the path if your having that kind of luck on the path. Any onslaught as a boss with extra nodes stinks anyways.

smell issue

TotemCorruption

She-hulk: throw a couple of heavies to keep the unstoppable off. I didn't read the rest of the nodes.

Ladpcw78

Rintrah took care

He stormed through it… mystics with nuetralise

Equints

Had a 19 sec fight w deathless guillotine against pheonix, medusa on the other hand for me was a struggle.

PantherusNZ

Threat level 5, using Wiccan for the first 2 fights, i used incinerate MLLLM first to lengthen the timer on MLLLL neutralize. It bought time in case Phoenix behaved too defensive.

That's...not how Wiccan works. His abilities don't work on ever extending timers based on the order that you use them. Each of his 4 spells have their own timer, each time you use a NEW spell that you have no charges of, it briefly pauses the timer. Using a special also pauses the timer, while the special 1 also re-casts the last-used spell with an extended timer.

If you are using Wiccan specifically for his Neutralise, then the normal rotation that I use is:
- MLLLL to place the initial neutralise on them - briefly paused
- Either MLLLM to place incinerate or Heavy for Arcane Theft, both to build power and pause spells again - use whichever is easier and/or more applicable in the fight
- MLLLL -> SP1 - reapplies the Neutralise with a longer timer and also re-pauses all spells

From there, work as the fight requires and as the opponent allows. If you are slow-playing for whatever reason then you're probably best to recycle MLLLL -> SP1 rotations solely to keep the Neutralise reliably active, mixing in the other 3 spells as they're unused to keep the pauses in place and avoid losing the Neutralise. However if you're gaining power quickly enough then build up Incinerates via MLLLM until you get to your SP2 and then throw that out to inflict the plasmas and burn them down. Refresh the Neutralise via MLLLL -> SP1 as required.

Using that, he easily handled all 3 opponents on this path, and Medusa was the EASIEST because she procs the Furies the fastest of the 3 of them so she was just ticking up the Incinerates like crazy.

Bosley

I guess I got lucky making Wiccan my first r3 7 star?

But seriously if this design is intentional it's more of the same trash. The side quests shouldn't be like this (and arguably any other content too).

Stacking nodes acts like gates restricting too many of our champs as viable options. But that seem to be what they've been doing for years now......

As an aside, would Hulk work and just stun lock?

Herbal_Taxman

If you’re stumped by this SQ, play the lower threat levels.

Buttehrs

If you’re stumped by this SQ, play the lower threat levels.

You can't this month

captain_rogers

Fate seal champs can wrok as well, along with neutralize or use slow/unstoppable counters it's not like you only have to use mystics.

captain_rogers

I found Phoenix & SS were doable with Hood, Longshot. Even getting Chee’ilth to SP1 took them down.
No one, including Doom’s stagger stopped Medusa from getting Unstoppable/Unblockable. Chee’ilth wasn’t bypassing her because of her autoblock limiting getting back to SP1.
Does Wiccan work on her too?
Would love some advice on her.

Wiccan cheeses medusa

Herbal_Taxman

Really? That’s my bad. So paragons and valiants are locked into threat 5? Still doesn’t explain why these fights are stumping people, honestly. Just gotta read nodes.

Buttehrs

Really? That’s my bad. So paragons and valiants are locked into threat 5? Still doesn’t explain why these fights are stumping people, honestly. Just gotta read nodes.

People? Read? Nah we don't do that here anymore obviously.

PantherusNZ

As an aside, would Hulk work and just stun lock?

Only if you can keep the actual stun on them the whole time, if they come out of stun mid-combo and their unstoppable is up then Hulk will get smashed

dv99999

Wiccan 7star1 can clear the whole path1 (6 star can do too), then let 3 or 4 techs solve the boss problem lol.
The nulltify, stagger of Jugg, purgatory, isophine are not working for path1.

Path 2 is easy with serpent, medusa. and I solved the whole path 3 with a 7r3 sinister (maybe silk, titania so on.. can work very well)

Bugmat78

Wiccan - keep neutralise up from the start and don't let it expire. He solos the entire path.

Bugmat78

That onslaught stinks more than the path if your having that kind of luck on the path. Any onslaught as a boss with extra nodes stinks anyways.

Agreed - crush is such a cop out debuff. If you get the benefit of reaching a combo of 10 to block unbloackable, crush still bypassed it (for me using Jack).

Darthbane3141

Wiccan worked very well, just keep doing MLLLL combos and you'll get through it.

Java_Junkie

honestly this would have been awesome as a debut for a 7* Mephisto.

wish I’d have thought of MooGod, but Claire (sp2) and Wiccan worked wonders. anyone try Tigra yet?

Wolf911

Used full deathless team

deathless she hulk with grit took care of all her bs