Knee-jerk reaction but I feel like we need to discuss this

ahmynuts · February 28

The frankly aggressive monetization which usually im fine with but I feel like this stream took it a bit too far.

1 paid Pheonix dupe
1 paid Cyclops
1 paid Eidol
1 paid DDHK ("but you can use units" you already know it'll be alot.)

I probably missed some too but come on guys. On top of the monthly champions and other sales and deals. We dont have to buy anything but you can at least not present stuff like how you were this stream.

Thoughts?

kvirr · February 28

The game is attempting to stray from what made it, f2p players. To compensate we must vote for the girl of squirrels

RoyalRose1510 · February 28

Vote for Jubilee

captain_rogers · February 28

Atleast they are honest. It's okay to milk wherever they can milk, I don't mind.

benshb · February 28

Gonna be a small rant.
The pay-to elements of the game is getting crazy this year. Another plat track, 7* daredevil offers, bastion in the store, new eidol chase, phoenix dupe chase. It's kinda scary.
Small rant over.

Buttehrs · February 28

It's only pay to get them early tho. Not the only way. You can still wait till they eventually hit basics.

magnus_xix · February 28

Classic case of FOMO

You don't need to buy any of those champs. Stay strong

BigBlueOx · February 28

You also missed that Bastion will be in the web store

ahmynuts · February 28

Buttehrs said:
It's only pay to get them early tho. Not the only way. You can still wait till they eventually hit basics.

Of course but that has nothing to do with what i said

Buttehrs · February 28

It's not pay to play. It "pay to get early". You can absolutely not pay a dime in this game and still do everything. You can totally wait and still get the champs in basics later.

kvirr · February 28

Buttehrs said:
It's not pay to play. It "pay to get early". You can absolutely not pay a dime in this game and still do everything. You can totally wait and still get the champs in basics later.

with that mentality you’ll be 80 years old waiting for eidols to cycle into the basic

it’s not about getting it early, it’s about the fact that if you don’t pay, you fall behind, you fall behind and they will release a crazy counter to whatever it is you were trying to get, then you’ll fall behind on that. It’s a trap, and the only key is to pay.

Buttehrs · February 28

ahmynuts said:

Buttehrs said:
It's only pay to get them early tho. Not the only way. You can still wait till they eventually hit basics.
Of course but that has nothing to do with what i said

It's a business. They are trying to maximize profits. There isn't any specific 7* featured crystals like past rarities had. So they do this instead.

Nemesis_17 · February 28

Buttehrs said:

ahmynuts said:

Buttehrs said:
It's only pay to get them early tho. Not the only way. You can still wait till they eventually hit basics.
Of course but that has nothing to do with what i said
It's a business. They are trying to maximize profits. There isn't any specific 7* featured crystals like past rarities had. So they do this instead.

We’re all well aware of that. The concept is fine in balance, but this is excessive

SirGamesBond · February 28

I don't mind companies trying to earn money tbh.
But
A lot of 'cool' 7* are extremely hard to get these days.
Then we include the ones we want, and the probability goes down into negetives.

ahmynuts · February 28

Buttehrs said:

ahmynuts said:

Buttehrs said:
It's only pay to get them early tho. Not the only way. You can still wait till they eventually hit basics.
Of course but that has nothing to do with what i said
It's a business. They are trying to maximize profits. There isn't any specific 7* featured crystals like past rarities had. So they do this instead.

Of course but that has nothing to do with what i said

Buttehrs · February 28

kvirr said:

Buttehrs said:
It's not pay to play. It "pay to get early". You can absolutely not pay a dime in this game and still do everything. You can totally wait and still get the champs in basics later.
with that mentality you’ll be 80 years old waiting for eidols to cycle into the basic

it’s not about getting it early, it’s about the fact that if you don’t pay, you fall behind, you fall behind and they will release a crazy counter to whatever it is you were trying to get, then you’ll fall behind on that. It’s a trap, and the only key is to pay.

If your worried about falling behind others in a video game, you got more issues than that tbh. And I'm perfectly fine waiting till I'm 80 if need be. I'll still be enjoying the game at my pace compared to others stressing out trying to keep up with the jonses.

Usagicassidy · February 28

I will never complain about a Platinum track because

a ) there's still daily rewards for players who don't spend

b ) it is the most cost-to-value ratio content in the entire game when there's a 7* champion attached at the end of it.

I do agree with you that there's A LOT. And I will fall further behind the whales but at this point without a 7* Onslaught, Serpent, Red Skull, Sentinel, Enchantress, or Bullseye, I already feel about as far behind as you can get, so it just seems pretty normal to me.

TotemCorruption · February 28

ahmynuts said:

Buttehrs said:

ahmynuts said:

Buttehrs said:
It's only pay to get them early tho. Not the only way. You can still wait till they eventually hit basics.
Of course but that has nothing to do with what i said
It's a business. They are trying to maximize profits. There isn't any specific 7* featured crystals like past rarities had. So they do this instead.
Of course but that has nothing to do with what i said

I kinda agree, reading the announcements in the stream all I kept saying in my head was your screenname..
It's a little too aggressive imo, and I'm not F2P.

BringPopcorn · February 28

Key words i heard the most on the stream. Live and Buy

Bendy · February 28

Eidol is the only pay option as u need to be high rank in bgs and arena being first

Wolf911 · February 28

BringPopcorn said:
Key words i heard the most on the stream. Live and Buy

+ you might have to spend ( units/money )

ahmynuts · February 28

To dumb down what my point is. It isn't that they're trying to make money or that we have to pay for some things. Like I said. That's fine. But the issue is in how it is presented to us and in the fashion it is presented.

"Look at this cool chanp you've been waiting for!" Gonna have to pay for the dupe tho

"Look at this cool special champ we've been hyping up which it's predecessor and deathless counterparts you could all get for free!" Gonna have to pay for this one tho lol

"Look at this absolutely AWESOME buff for an amazing champ you guys have wanted and voted for!" Gonna have to pay for it tho

"Look at this cool 7* champ that we're releasing!" Gonna have to pay for him tho (even though he isn't amazing and they could have easily made a way for us to earn it) etc. Etc.

Its not that these things exist. Its how they hype it up and then rapid fire back to back to back to back shoot us in the face with the monetizing.
Like we cant even take a second to appreciate how effing cool some of it is and have a flicker of hope we can somehow earn it before John or Mike goes "gotta cough up that dough tho"

GroundedWisdom · February 28

Not everything in the game is free. The sooner people accept this, the sooner it stops being offensive when they're selling something.

ahmynuts · February 28

GroundedWisdom said:
Not everything in the game is free. The sooner people accept this, the sooner it stops being offensive when they're selling something.

Of course but that has nothing to do with what i said

kvirr · February 28

Buttehrs said:

kvirr said:

Buttehrs said:
It's not pay to play. It "pay to get early". You can absolutely not pay a dime in this game and still do everything. You can totally wait and still get the champs in basics later.
with that mentality you’ll be 80 years old waiting for eidols to cycle into the basic

it’s not about getting it early, it’s about the fact that if you don’t pay, you fall behind, you fall behind and they will release a crazy counter to whatever it is you were trying to get, then you’ll fall behind on that. It’s a trap, and the only key is to pay.
If your worried about falling behind others in a video game, you got more issues than that tbh. And I'm perfectly fine waiting till I'm 80 if need be. I'll still be enjoying the game at my pace compared to others stressing out trying to keep up with the jonses.

Only problem is you’ll be sitting with dementia forgetting how to parry

I’m not worried about falling behind, as im not one of the 30 r3 7* valiants, I only have 3. I keep it casual.

The comment I made was from a perspective of a try hard f2p player, I think you missed the point

Eakomo · February 28

ahmynuts said:
To dumb down what my point is. It isn't that they're trying to make money or that we have to pay for some things. Like I said. That's fine. But the issue is in how it is presented to us and in the fashion it is presented.

"Look at this cool chanp you've been waiting for!" Gonna have to pay for the dupe tho

"Look at this cool special champ we've been hyping up which it's predecessor and deathless counterparts you could all get for free!" Gonna have to pay for this one tho lol

"Look at this absolutely AWESOME buff for an amazing champ you guys have wanted and voted for!" Gonna have to pay for it tho

"Look at this cool 7* champ that we're releasing!" Gonna have to pay for him tho (even though he isn't amazing and they could have easily made a way for us to earn it) etc. Etc.

Its not that these things exist. Its how they hype it up and then rapid fire back to back to back to back shoot us in the face with the monetizing.
Like we cant even take a second to appreciate how effing cool some of it is and have a flicker of hope we can somehow earn it before John or Mike goes "gotta cough up that dough tho"

the real salty part of all this is the new eidol champion who they even say grinding for it ftp it's not guaranteed but you have to spend to get everything needed to get them. just why

Ashacekar · February 28

One paid champ at a time is fine, like i have NC, BRB and DZ but 5 at one time is too diverted. I will most likely not invest in any of them.

Herbal_Taxman · February 28

kvirr said:

Buttehrs said:
It's not pay to play. It "pay to get early". You can absolutely not pay a dime in this game and still do everything. You can totally wait and still get the champs in basics later.
with that mentality you’ll be 80 years old waiting for eidols to cycle into the basic

it’s not about getting it early, it’s about the fact that if you don’t pay, you fall behind, you fall behind and they will release a crazy counter to whatever it is you were trying to get, then you’ll fall behind on that. It’s a trap, and the only key is to pay.

It’s just an illusion for f2p players to think they are even close to they are miles and miles behind. They have been behind, they will stay behind. They’re so far back now it’s not worth getting stressed about it.

Sachhyam257 · February 28

I feel like this came up at the right time for me. It's made up my mind. I've been feeling something off about this game since banquet, like something that pulled me towards this game and kept playing for over 9 years went missing. Couldn't really place my finger on it, but now I think it's the new direction for the game.

This is more a personal take, so I'm not expecting everyone to share this sentiment. I think I'll finish my epoch exploration (3 paths left), rank up my r4, then just take a step back from the game. This increasing trend of monetization, stagnation of existing game modes, and new op champs that then get neutered by newer hard counter champs has definitely induced some burn out for me. They're giving away more for free than they used to, which is great, but it doesn't really feel very exciting. Maybe it's just me, I wanna know what others feel about this.

DocWest · February 28

It feels like they are absolutely strangling us with paid events now. A few times a year is fine, but this is non-stop and it’s getting excessive. It feels smothering and for me it’s completely demotivating. I don’t even have time to enjoy my “big purchase” before the next event is here and they want me to pay up again. Just completely exhausting.

EdisonLaw · February 28

BigBlueOx said:
You also missed that Bastion will be in the web store

He is in the webstore?

Knee-jerk reaction but I feel like we need to discuss this

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