I remember when she was first released. I thought she was bomb, and the concensus was she sucked. Then people learned to use her. Now we're debating this. Full circle moments.
I don't ban tigra at VT. Cuz many players try to use her correctly and mess up. She has a big skill ask.
You talk like we don't have other sp2 nukes. Like okoye and silk for example. Tigra could be. A trouble in high thier bgs.But she needs to be released at some time right?. I think you're not mad she's getting released, but mad since she's getting released in a special crystal, so not available for ftp unless you get lucky.
The game mainly served spenders. Tigra is a great way to milk spenders.
Idc. She is behind a very massive paywalll or luck. everyone wont get her. everyone who gets her wont upgrade her.. that's how they have been controlling the impact of useful champs in rare pools. It's all about the money.
Not a massive pay wall if you are a f2p player and you grind units you could potentially get her this event is put out to milk away units from players with less than 2 months to the july 4th deals but you have the possibility of getting very good champions from it I am guessing also a r4 gem out of it if you spend enough units
A lot of tone deaf replies here lmao, who said anything about never releasing her as a 7*, I'm saying its too soon to release it rn. She nukes in 2 bars of power and it takes less time to build to the 2nd bar cause of her passive power gain. If you people bothered to read the entire post youd see a screenshot nuking maestro in less than 30s, just 1 of many ive done with her.
And the people talking about "just ban her" are ignoring the big picture, you wouldn't want to ban her if you can use her yourself to get guaranteed round wins. mine is r5 ascended purely for BGs because shes not as skill reliant in that game mode.
The point of the thread is looking at her impact on the game mode, many people say juggs should've never been a 7* because of BGs, but tigra i can see being in the same picture . Too much tunnel vision in this thread
I don't ban tigra at VT. Cuz many players try to use her correctly and mess up. She has a big skill ask.
You talk like we don't have other sp2 nukes. Like okoye and silk for example. Tigra could be. A trouble in high thier bgs.But she needs to be released at some time right?. I think you're not mad she's getting released, but mad since she's getting released in a special crystal, so not available for ftp unless you get lucky.
The game mainly served spenders. Tigra is a great way to milk spenders.
Silk and okoye are way more limited in matchups they can take, and silk needs the crit on the sp2 .
Not mad at all, i wouldve made this post even if i pulled her myself. Im just giving a perspective kabam might not have considered for the health of the game mode.
A lot of tone deaf replies here lmao, who said anything about never releasing her as a 7*, I'm saying its too soon to release it rn. She nukes in 2 bars of power and it takes less time to build to the 2nd bar cause of her passive power gain. If you people bothered to read the entire post youd see a screenshot nuking maestro in less than 30s, just 1 of many ive done with her.
And the people talking about "just ban her" are ignoring the big picture, you wouldn't want to ban her if you can use her yourself to get guaranteed round wins. mine is r5 ascended purely for BGs because shes not as skill reliant in that game mode.
The point of the thread is looking at her impact on the game mode, many people say juggs should've never been a 7* because of BGs, but tigra i can see being in the same picture . Too much tunnel vision in this thread
The title of your thread is "is tigra too strong to be a 7*". That means people can be replying to your title and would be correct accusing you of saying 'never releasing her as a 7*". You presume too much about some people reading the body of your post after using a misleading title.
And you still can't quite answer why having another nuke is a problem. You gesture at 2 bars vs 3 bars like it is some rule that must be obeyed. You also seem to be doing some pearl clutching about "think about the poor players who won't have access to her" (as if owning a Serpent / Enchantress / Silk / any random champion, is a guarantee).
You reference Juggernaut being another problem for BGs by existing as a 7-star. I don't see the problem at all. I know I can't just place my Cosmic defender on defense if the opponent has a Juggs. Thats just part of the strategy.
A round win is a round win, whether it is done in 2 bars or 3 bars, or whether it is done facing Juggernaut or Tigra. If you don't have her, ban her. If you have her, don't ban her so you get a chance to use her. If your opponent drafts her, place a defender she can't take. This is all just normal BGs strategizing.
I don't really understand why "Just ban her" wouldn't be a valid argument. Like...just ban her if you think she's too OP. That's literally why we have the ban system - so that you can get rid of who you view as your opponent's strongest draft options.
I don't think she's too OP for the game in general, in the way that champs like Herc and Quake are. She'll be a very potent BG attacker, yes, but let's not pretend that she's amazing against every champion in the game. She excels against Cosmic champions with a lot of buffs that she can neutralize as well as champions with heavies and specials that she can punish, but there are a lot of champions that don't fall into either of those groups.
There are a lot of insanely powerful champions that are already available as 7*s. She will simply join them, not create some sort of club of one at the top.
She is just as much of a nuke as Juggs or Silk, who don't need sigs to be OP.
So no, she isn't too much strong to be a 7*. The only champs, IMO, that are "too strong" as 7* for BGs, are Hulkling, Torch and AA. And each of them are debatable depending on the meta.
Idc. She is behind a very massive paywalll or luck. everyone wont get her. everyone who gets her wont upgrade her.. that's how they have been controlling the impact of useful champs in rare pools. It's all about the money.
Not a massive pay wall if you are a f2p player and you grind units you could potentially get her this event is put out to milk away units from players with less than 2 months to the july 4th deals but you have the possibility of getting very good champions from it I am guessing also a r4 gem out of it if you spend enough units
I understand what you are saying about the grind. Most players can't grind that much. I don't think the numbers are big of how many f2p players can pull tigra specifically.
Im not expecting to pull her, I'll be 6-7k units down, that's all I got. And I'll throw in whatever units I have by then. But I know I'm not getting her. I don't do arenas as I don't really care about the sales anymore. All I care about a champ I like to play. Don't even have to be BGs. I just did my 4 bg objectives 15 minutes ago.
@Ercarret@altavista the reason that the just ban it argument doesn't hold as much weight is because of how loosely it's thrown around, youre limited to only 3 bans which you may already be prioritizing it a specific way. For e.g Their rank 4's, new defenders you dont have like Arnim Zola, dual threats with exclusive availability like Medusa.
Another e.g , Spider woman makes Enchantress a RoL Winter Soldier fight, and mine is rank 4 so i basically have to autoban her. Or my sparky being unawakened, i still have to ban the r3 duped ones. Or say you get bad RNG and you dont get fury, you probably will want to ban him etc
Yeah, but if there are so many champions that you want to ban for one reason or another, doesn't that kind of prove the point that Tigra isn't uniquely OP? It seems to me as if she is just one big threat among many. If she stood tall above everybody else, "just ban her" would be the perfect solution whenever you saw her pop up. Yeah, you'd have to leave another champ in your opponent's roster, but at least you'd be rid of the best one.
There will always be situations where you have to decide on whether to ban your opponent's strong defenders, strong attackers, dual threats, or just ideal counters to your own strong defenders. Adding Tigra doesn't create that problem, she just becomes part of that calculation.
Shocker only need to get 2 bars of power with high sig, Jugg can win only with one sp2 and Deadpool X force can use sp2 when he gets 2 bar and then use the pasive stun and the relic to get the other bar of power and finish the match.
Technically there are more champs that can win only reaching 2 bar of power, Tigra would not be the first of this kind of nuke and IMO those 3 are easier to play that Tigra.
I am a decent Tigra player and i would love to have the 7*.
No champ is too strong anymore. Herc is a dud nowadays. We fight 7* magiks and quakes. Quake takes such high skill i dont get locks for any champ. They all have counters. And nodes exist for a reason. A node can counter any champ. So tbqh i dont get the whoke 'too strong' issue
@Ercarret@altavista the reason that the just ban it argument doesn't hold as much weight is because of how loosely it's thrown around, youre limited to only 3 bans which you may already be prioritizing it a specific way. For e.g Their rank 4's, new defenders you dont have like Arnim Zola, dual threats with exclusive availability like Medusa.
Another e.g , Spider woman makes Enchantress a RoL Winter Soldier fight, and mine is rank 4 so i basically have to autoban her. Or my sparky being unawakened, i still have to ban the r3 duped ones. Or say you get bad RNG and you dont get fury, you probably will want to ban him etc
The "just ban her" argument is not that if she is OP everyone can just ban her. If literally everyone bans her then that would actually be a point in your favor that she's too powerful (it would not be a decisive point, but it would be a point). The point is that there's clearly no universal agreement that she's too powerful, and therefore players are free to use their own bans to ban whomever *they* feel is too powerful.
Look at your own ban reasoning. I don't see you saying "this champ is OP, I have to ban them." You ban situationally, for reasons specific to your roster and your particular situation. So do most players. I might ban Tigra if I see her, but I might not. It would depend on the deck match ups I see. Tigra is no different than any other champion there. If you're saying you can't ban Tigra because you have other champs you "have to" ban, you're saying that for you specifically, Tigra is not OP. Because if she were, she would be #1 on your ban list. There would be no "I must autoban someone else."
Even if you were right, and I do not concede this, that Tigra can take "90%" of the fights out there, that doesn't matter. How many a champ can take is irrelevant. What matters is if they can take the specific fights you need them to take, or if they can take the defenders you intend to place. Can she make mincemeat of your R4 Enchantress?
I suspect Tigra is not too OP for the simple reason that if she were, then she would have been overwhelmingly dominant in BG during the time period when you could ascend 6* champs but 7R3 were still uncommon. I don't see any evidence that was the case. In skilled hands I'm sure she's going to be great, but I can already say that about lots of other champs.
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You talk like we don't have other sp2 nukes. Like okoye and silk for example. Tigra could be. A trouble in high thier bgs.But she needs to be released at some time right?. I think you're not mad she's getting released, but mad since she's getting released in a special crystal, so not available for ftp unless you get lucky.
The game mainly served spenders. Tigra is a great way to milk spenders.
You gonna eventually have all 6 stars as 7 stars in the game are you gonna keep complaining about that ?
And the people talking about "just ban her" are ignoring the big picture, you wouldn't want to ban her if you can use her yourself to get guaranteed round wins. mine is r5 ascended purely for BGs because shes not as skill reliant in that game mode.
The point of the thread is looking at her impact on the game mode, many people say juggs should've never been a 7* because of BGs, but tigra i can see being in the same picture . Too much tunnel vision in this thread
Not mad at all, i wouldve made this post even if i pulled her myself. Im just giving a perspective kabam might not have considered for the health of the game mode.
As for taking out opponents - my R4 7-Star Hulk can take out 500kHp opponents inside 30secs no worries with one SP2.
And you still can't quite answer why having another nuke is a problem. You gesture at 2 bars vs 3 bars like it is some rule that must be obeyed. You also seem to be doing some pearl clutching about "think about the poor players who won't have access to her" (as if owning a Serpent / Enchantress / Silk / any random champion, is a guarantee).
You reference Juggernaut being another problem for BGs by existing as a 7-star. I don't see the problem at all. I know I can't just place my Cosmic defender on defense if the opponent has a Juggs. Thats just part of the strategy.
A round win is a round win, whether it is done in 2 bars or 3 bars, or whether it is done facing Juggernaut or Tigra. If you don't have her, ban her. If you have her, don't ban her so you get a chance to use her. If your opponent drafts her, place a defender she can't take. This is all just normal BGs strategizing.
I don't think she's too OP for the game in general, in the way that champs like Herc and Quake are. She'll be a very potent BG attacker, yes, but let's not pretend that she's amazing against every champion in the game. She excels against Cosmic champions with a lot of buffs that she can neutralize as well as champions with heavies and specials that she can punish, but there are a lot of champions that don't fall into either of those groups.
There are a lot of insanely powerful champions that are already available as 7*s. She will simply join them, not create some sort of club of one at the top.
It won’t be any different now with the 7*.
grind. Most players can't grind that much.
I don't think the numbers are big of how many f2p players can pull tigra specifically.
Im not expecting to pull her, I'll be 6-7k units down, that's all I got. And I'll throw in whatever units I have by then. But I know I'm not getting her. I don't do arenas as I don't really care about the sales anymore.
All I care about a champ I like to play.
Don't even have to be BGs. I just did my 4 bg objectives 15 minutes ago.
Tigra is pretty decent and deserves to be
Another e.g , Spider woman makes Enchantress a RoL Winter Soldier fight, and mine is rank 4 so i basically have to autoban her. Or my sparky being unawakened, i still have to ban the r3 duped ones. Or say you get bad RNG and you dont get fury, you probably will want to ban him etc
There will always be situations where you have to decide on whether to ban your opponent's strong defenders, strong attackers, dual threats, or just ideal counters to your own strong defenders. Adding Tigra doesn't create that problem, she just becomes part of that calculation.
Technically there are more champs that can win only reaching 2 bar of power, Tigra would not be the first of this kind of nuke and IMO those 3 are easier to play that Tigra.
I am a decent Tigra player and i would love to have the 7*.
Look at your own ban reasoning. I don't see you saying "this champ is OP, I have to ban them." You ban situationally, for reasons specific to your roster and your particular situation. So do most players. I might ban Tigra if I see her, but I might not. It would depend on the deck match ups I see. Tigra is no different than any other champion there. If you're saying you can't ban Tigra because you have other champs you "have to" ban, you're saying that for you specifically, Tigra is not OP. Because if she were, she would be #1 on your ban list. There would be no "I must autoban someone else."
Even if you were right, and I do not concede this, that Tigra can take "90%" of the fights out there, that doesn't matter. How many a champ can take is irrelevant. What matters is if they can take the specific fights you need them to take, or if they can take the defenders you intend to place. Can she make mincemeat of your R4 Enchantress?
I suspect Tigra is not too OP for the simple reason that if she were, then she would have been overwhelmingly dominant in BG during the time period when you could ascend 6* champs but 7R3 were still uncommon. I don't see any evidence that was the case. In skilled hands I'm sure she's going to be great, but I can already say that about lots of other champs.