Just want to point something out

If you Read (insert horror movie jumpscare sound effect here), the announcement by the MCOC team. They said 10000 players were banned. Great, we love to see it.
Now let's go a little further in the message. I know it's scary because it's more words, but bear with me. They said, "Another couple thousand accounts have received warnings for potential infractions," which, as I'm sure the astute among you could surmise, is the 7-day bans we are seeing so many people complaining about.
Okay, so what does that mean? They identified something that was a potential infraction related to x person's account and issued a 7-day ban as the warning. Are they right? Are they wrong? Doesn't really matter as they straight up said in the announcement that these were for potential infractions and not anything fully concrete. I wouldn't expect any type of compensation or apology from them.

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Herbal_Taxman

If I can get a 7 day ban for a “possible but unverified infraction” then it just further reinforces why I can’t see investing any money into my account.

If they’ve got data showing TOS violations, ban away. Otherwise, I would argue they should do more due diligence before taking away something people spent money on. Or at the very least, communicate the kind of things that might trip the new system so people can heed the “warning”. If the OP’s interpretation is correct, this is kinda like mailing out generic traffic tickets to random drivers and expecting them to change their driving habits. If they don’t get more specific with what the possible violation was, how are people supposed to know what to correct or avoid?

They obviously have the data. 10,000 people downloaded the game from Limewire or whatever. Maybe they knew it was against the rules, maybe they didn’t. People get nailed for stuff all the time that they didn’t realize was illegal. It’s tough but it happens.

My guess is that Kabam started looking more seriously as the problem of modding and they realized, “you know, if we get rid of all the people running non-official versions of the game client, we will clean up ALOT of the problems with cheating.”

Drago_von_Drago

If I can get a 7 day ban for a “possible but unverified infraction” then it just further reinforces why I can’t see investing any money into my account.

If they’ve got data showing TOS violations, ban away. Otherwise, I would argue they should do more due diligence before taking away something people spent money on. Or at the very least, communicate the kind of things that might trip the new system so people can heed the “warning”. If the OP’s interpretation is correct, this is kinda like mailing out generic traffic tickets to random drivers and expecting them to change their driving habits. If they don’t get more specific with what the possible violation was, how are people supposed to know what to correct or avoid?
They obviously have the data. 10,000 people downloaded the game from Limewire or whatever. Maybe they knew it was against the rules, maybe they didn’t. People get nailed for stuff all the time that they didn’t realize was illegal. It’s tough but it happens.

My guess is that Kabam started looking more seriously as the problem of modding and they realized, “you know, if we get rid of all the people running non-official versions of the game client, we will clean up ALOT of the problems with cheating.”

It’s not obvious they have the data. That’s the point of the thread. OP’s interpretation is that they don’t have all the data for the “warnings” which appear to be 7-day bans. Crash’s recent post still doesn’t clarify this detail. Nobody has posted a “warning” message that I’ve seen, so people are interpreting the short-term bans as warnings.

Herbal_Taxman

If I can get a 7 day ban for a “possible but unverified infraction” then it just further reinforces why I can’t see investing any money into my account.

If they’ve got data showing TOS violations, ban away. Otherwise, I would argue they should do more due diligence before taking away something people spent money on. Or at the very least, communicate the kind of things that might trip the new system so people can heed the “warning”. If the OP’s interpretation is correct, this is kinda like mailing out generic traffic tickets to random drivers and expecting them to change their driving habits. If they don’t get more specific with what the possible violation was, how are people supposed to know what to correct or avoid?
They obviously have the data. 10,000 people downloaded the game from Limewire or whatever. Maybe they knew it was against the rules, maybe they didn’t. People get nailed for stuff all the time that they didn’t realize was illegal. It’s tough but it happens.

My guess is that Kabam started looking more seriously as the problem of modding and they realized, “you know, if we get rid of all the people running non-official versions of the game client, we will clean up ALOT of the problems with cheating.”
It’s not obvious they have the data. That’s the point of the thread. OP’s interpretation is that they don’t have all the data for the “warnings” which appear to be 7-day bans. Crash’s recent post still doesn’t clarify this detail. Nobody has posted a “warning” message that I’ve seen, so people are interpreting the short-term bans as warnings.

I think that’s probably fanciful thinking. They probably have two classes of violations and know exactly who falls into each. 30 days or permanent for one kind of thing, 7 day “warmings” for something else.

Honestly, if they just sent a warning message in game without any penalty, do you think anyone running a modded client would pay attention? I don’t.

Drago_von_Drago

If I can get a 7 day ban for a “possible but unverified infraction” then it just further reinforces why I can’t see investing any money into my account.

If they’ve got data showing TOS violations, ban away. Otherwise, I would argue they should do more due diligence before taking away something people spent money on. Or at the very least, communicate the kind of things that might trip the new system so people can heed the “warning”. If the OP’s interpretation is correct, this is kinda like mailing out generic traffic tickets to random drivers and expecting them to change their driving habits. If they don’t get more specific with what the possible violation was, how are people supposed to know what to correct or avoid?
They obviously have the data. 10,000 people downloaded the game from Limewire or whatever. Maybe they knew it was against the rules, maybe they didn’t. People get nailed for stuff all the time that they didn’t realize was illegal. It’s tough but it happens.

My guess is that Kabam started looking more seriously as the problem of modding and they realized, “you know, if we get rid of all the people running non-official versions of the game client, we will clean up ALOT of the problems with cheating.”
It’s not obvious they have the data. That’s the point of the thread. OP’s interpretation is that they don’t have all the data for the “warnings” which appear to be 7-day bans. Crash’s recent post still doesn’t clarify this detail. Nobody has posted a “warning” message that I’ve seen, so people are interpreting the short-term bans as warnings.
I think that’s probably fanciful thinking. They probably have two classes of violations and know exactly who falls into each. 30 days or permanent for one kind of thing, 7 day “warmings” for something else.

Honestly, if they just sent a warning message in game without any penalty, do you think anyone running a modded client would pay attention? I don’t.

I think if they made some announcements that any download not from an approved source was going to get your account banned in 2 weeks, people that knew might try to rectifying it and they’d at least know why they were banned when it hit. This wave doesn’t seem to be about actual modding or cheating, just getting the game outside of normal means. If that’s been tacitly ok for the last 10 years because they couldn’t tell, it might have been worth warning folks before flipping the switch on the new system and banning folks and/or being more explicit in the ban message so people know what the issue is.

Abspain101

If I can get a 7 day ban for a “possible but unverified infraction” then it just further reinforces why I can’t see investing any money into my account.

If they’ve got data showing TOS violations, ban away. Otherwise, I would argue they should do more due diligence before taking away something people spent money on. Or at the very least, communicate the kind of things that might trip the new system so people can heed the “warning”. If the OP’s interpretation is correct, this is kinda like mailing out generic traffic tickets to random drivers and expecting them to change their driving habits. If they don’t get more specific with what the possible violation was, how are people supposed to know what to correct or avoid?
They obviously have the data. 10,000 people downloaded the game from Limewire or whatever. Maybe they knew it was against the rules, maybe they didn’t. People get nailed for stuff all the time that they didn’t realize was illegal. It’s tough but it happens.

My guess is that Kabam started looking more seriously as the problem of modding and they realized, “you know, if we get rid of all the people running non-official versions of the game client, we will clean up ALOT of the problems with cheating.”
It’s not obvious they have the data. That’s the point of the thread. OP’s interpretation is that they don’t have all the data for the “warnings” which appear to be 7-day bans. Crash’s recent post still doesn’t clarify this detail. Nobody has posted a “warning” message that I’ve seen, so people are interpreting the short-term bans as warnings.
I think that’s probably fanciful thinking. They probably have two classes of violations and know exactly who falls into each. 30 days or permanent for one kind of thing, 7 day “warmings” for something else.

Honestly, if they just sent a warning message in game without any penalty, do you think anyone running a modded client would pay attention? I don’t.
I think if they made some announcements that any download not from an approved source was going to get your account banned in 2 weeks, people that knew might try to rectifying it and they’d at least know why they were banned when it hit. This wave doesn’t seem to be about actual modding or cheating, just getting the game outside of normal means. If that’s been tacitly ok for the last 10 years because they couldn’t tell, it might have been worth warning folks before flipping the switch on the new system and banning folks and/or being more explicit in the ban message so people know what the issue is.

First of all that hasnt been ok from the start they just got the technology to detect it, it has always been against tos and i think the opposite had kabam just sent an ingame message i dont think anyone would have done anything