What about “the maker” release

KillerM

what do you guys think about “ the maker “ being released right when jean grey has been in the titanpul for less than 3 weeks and he seems to be fully countering her with neuro and reversed control immunity... honestly i think kabam is releasing counters for certain champs way too fast so what's the point of ranking her then. at least they can let us enjoy our new champs for a while and benefit from them.
Bcus lot of people gonna buy the early deals for him

Buttehrs

On the other hand, the longer they take to release a counter, the longer you have to suffer fighting them. Regardless, there won't be many people sporting the maker for a good while still so Jean will still be tough.

KillerM

the way I see it they release champs to enjoy and give a advantage for them for a month at most 2 months and then there are already 2 counters ready it's a ping-pong effect. I don’t see the need for gettin a new champ straight away anymore bcus i know after a month or 2 he will fell of because of specific counters

BattleWarriar

He’s not a “Jean grey counter” he’s just a phenomenal mutant counter. Jean will still be worth a ton for both offense and defense. If they draft the maker they can only use him for one fight.

KillerM

@BattleWarriar yes that's how it goes in BG it's a 1 vs 1 fight what did you think you could fight 1 champ twice sherlock. If you have jack and the maker in your deck Jean is useless on defence. And she is just 3 weeks old makes sence tough. Everything she does on offence is almost the same as dazzler in terms of speed and damage. There is no need to release 4 mutant champs with similar abilities like pursuit, reflecting thorns damage or non contact attacks like (negasonic,dazzler,gentle,jean) are they out of ideas ??

Buttehrs

KillerM said:

@BattleWarriar yes that's how it goes in BG it's a 1 vs 1 fight what did you think you could fight 1 champ twice sherlock. If you have jack and the maker in your deck Jean is useless on defence. And she is just 3 weeks old makes sence tough. Everything she does on offence is almost the same aa dazzler in terms of speed and damage

Imagine how people that took her to r4 feel only to have the opponent ban her anyways.

BattleWarriar

KillerM said:

@BattleWarriar yes that's how it goes in BG it's a 1 vs 1 fight what did you think you could fight 1 champ twice sherlock. If you have jack and the maker in your deck Jean is useless on defence. And she is just 3 weeks old makes sence tough. Everything she does on offence is almost the same as dazzler in terms of speed and damage. There is no need to release 4 mutant champs with similar abilities like pursuit, reflecting thorns damage or non contact attacks like (negasonic,dazzler,gentle,jean)

Guess you’ll just have to ban the maker. At the end of the day I’m all for this style of champion design. Techs counter mutants, so the maker should be good against lots of mutants. It’s not like Jean is useless, she’s a great attacker

KillerM

@Buttehrs i have her at rank 4 i choose her out of a titan nexus and duped her out of a normal titan straight after so the maker can suck one 🤣

Phantøm_Echø

KillerM said:

@BattleWarriar yes that's how it goes in BG it's a 1 vs 1 fight what did you think you could fight 1 champ twice sherlock. If you have jack and the maker in your deck Jean is useless on defence. And she is just 3 weeks old makes sence tough. Everything she does on offence is almost the same as dazzler in terms of speed and damage. There is no need to release 4 mutant champs with similar abilities like pursuit, reflecting thorns damage or non contact attacks like (negasonic,dazzler,gentle,jean) are they out of ideas ??

She was never advertised as a defender anyways? She's only a 3/5.... If anything Yelena was a worse defender release as upon her debut Jean, DeadpoolX and Sinister all handle her if not for nodes

MrSanguini

KillerM said:

@BattleWarriar yes that's how it goes in BG it's a 1 vs 1 fight what did you think you could fight 1 champ twice sherlock. If you have jack and the maker in your deck Jean is useless on defence. And she is just 3 weeks old makes sence tough. Everything she does on offence is almost the same as dazzler in terms of speed and damage. There is no need to release 4 mutant champs with similar abilities like pursuit, reflecting thorns damage or non contact attacks like (negasonic,dazzler,gentle,jean) are they out of ideas ??

But that was already a thing, Jean had counters even before she released. If the opponent has Ironheart and Jack in their draft Jean is also useless on defense. The Maker isn't the only Jean counter. Not that it matters since she wasn't supposed to be a fantastic defender anyways.

EdisonLaw

The Maker is not just a Jean counter, he should be able to counter most mutants. Maybe not Havok since he lacks an armor up, but most of them.

EdisonLaw

KillerM said:

@BattleWarriar yes that's how it goes in BG it's a 1 vs 1 fight what did you think you could fight 1 champ twice sherlock. If you have jack and the maker in your deck Jean is useless on defence. And she is just 3 weeks old makes sence tough. Everything she does on offence is almost the same as dazzler in terms of speed and damage. There is no need to release 4 mutant champs with similar abilities like pursuit, reflecting thorns damage or non contact attacks like (negasonic,dazzler,gentle,jean) are they out of ideas ??

These are common mutant tropes nowadays because they need to counter relevant Skill threats (Evade, purify and thorns).

Herbal_Taxman

Even if Jean becomes useless as a defender, she still is worth any rank as an attacker. I am much more worried about Yelena being made irrelevant because she has a lot less value if her potency as a defender is quickly compromised.

EdisonLaw

MrSanguini said:

KillerM said:

@BattleWarriar yes that's how it goes in BG it's a 1 vs 1 fight what did you think you could fight 1 champ twice sherlock. If you have jack and the maker in your deck Jean is useless on defence. And she is just 3 weeks old makes sence tough. Everything she does on offence is almost the same as dazzler in terms of speed and damage. There is no need to release 4 mutant champs with similar abilities like pursuit, reflecting thorns damage or non contact attacks like (negasonic,dazzler,gentle,jean) are they out of ideas ??

But that was already a thing, Jean had counters even before she released. If the opponent has Ironheart and Jack in their draft Jean is also useless on defense. The Maker isn't the only Jean counter. Not that it matters since she wasn't supposed to be a fantastic defender anyways.

Plus there are non tech reverse control immune champs like Mr Sinister, Wiccan and Juggs

EdisonLaw

Herbal_Taxman said:

Even if Jean becomes useless as a defender, she still is worth any rank as an attacker. I am much more worried about Yelena being made irrelevant because she has a lot less value if her potency as a defender is quickly compromised.

That might take a while, she seems like a new bullseye in 2025. Even then she's a good attacker

NONYABIZZ

Lol, just watched the stream he also was "special power drain" LO4kinL

Aleor

Onslaught was released in 2023, JG is just a lazy champ design copying his abilities with slight alterations

Gentsy12

KillerM said:

what do you guys think about “ the maker “ being released right when jean grey has been in the titanpul for less than 3 weeks and he seems to be fully countering her with neuro and reversed control immunity... honestly i think kabam is releasing counters for certain champs way too fast so what's the point of ranking her then. at least they can let us enjoy our new champs for a while and benefit from them.
Bcus lot of people gonna buy the early deals for him

At least she is still really useful on attack and you had to pull her. Meanwhile kabam SELLS dark phoenix who was billed as an A+ defender and then releases Nico the next month that is a perfectly built counter to her.

EdisonLaw

Gentsy12 said:

KillerM said:

what do you guys think about “ the maker “ being released right when jean grey has been in the titanpul for less than 3 weeks and he seems to be fully countering her with neuro and reversed control immunity... honestly i think kabam is releasing counters for certain champs way too fast so what's the point of ranking her then. at least they can let us enjoy our new champs for a while and benefit from them.
Bcus lot of people gonna buy the early deals for him

At least she is still really useful on attack and you had to pull her. Meanwhile kabam SELLS dark phoenix who was billed as an A+ defender and then releases Nico the next month that is a perfectly built counter to her.

Well most casual players won’t have access to 7* Nico till the next titan batch update