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  • BostonSpidey124BostonSpidey124 Member Posts: 38

    It’s interesting how the realm events are seen as something that should unite the whole community. The first (and IMO best realm event) required players to win at least one fight in Necropolis in order to qualify. A huge % of players did not and could not participate in that event.

    And where did the idea come from that everyone should be able to teach every milestone? When Epoch is released, nobody thinks that every TB bro should be able to explore it. I’m not asking rhetorically, I’m genuinely curious. What is it about the realm events that makes everyone feel differently?

    I agree with everyone that the communication around this event has been really weird, but Mike probably gave us the hint when he mentioned that some of the milestones are connected to future announcements. Doesn’t mean this is a good design or comms plan, but that might be the reason they aren’t just publishing the traditional table of points.

    What do you feel the point of Realm events is?

    Necropolis didn’t have a true Realm event. It had an event that was running in the background that allowed the people who could do it to get extra rewards. The first Realm event was Crystal opening which everyone could do and everyone could hit the minimum to get all rewards achieved. The next was battlegrounds, again everyone could hit the minimum to get all scored rewards but definitely harder for lower accounts. Next was banquet and again same story. This is the first realm event that all players can contribute points but only valiant (and maybe paragon) can hit the minimum. Why do we have an event where lower accounts get to push higher accounts higher?

    I thought realm events were meant to give all summoners something to push for and the more everyone pushes the more everyone is rewarded. Here everyone pushes but after a certain point, only those that are valiant will get rewarded. That is weird and disheartening to those are either not valiant or don’t do one of required tasks like raids.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 9,618 ★★★★★

    It’s interesting how the realm events are seen as something that should unite the whole community. The first (and IMO best realm event) required players to win at least one fight in Necropolis in order to qualify. A huge % of players did not and could not participate in that event.

    And where did the idea come from that everyone should be able to teach every milestone? When Epoch is released, nobody thinks that every TB bro should be able to explore it. I’m not asking rhetorically, I’m genuinely curious. What is it about the realm events that makes everyone feel differently?

    I agree with everyone that the communication around this event has been really weird, but Mike probably gave us the hint when he mentioned that some of the milestones are connected to future announcements. Doesn’t mean this is a good design or comms plan, but that might be the reason they aren’t just publishing the traditional table of points.

    What do you feel the point of Realm events is?

    Necropolis didn’t have a true Realm event. It had an event that was running in the background that allowed the people who could do it to get extra rewards. The first Realm event was Crystal opening which everyone could do and everyone could hit the minimum to get all rewards achieved. The next was battlegrounds, again everyone could hit the minimum to get all scored rewards but definitely harder for lower accounts. Next was banquet and again same story. This is the first realm event that all players can contribute points but only valiant (and maybe paragon) can hit the minimum. Why do we have an event where lower accounts get to push higher accounts higher?

    I thought realm events were meant to give all summoners something to push for and the more everyone pushes the more everyone is rewarded. Here everyone pushes but after a certain point, only those that are valiant will get rewarded. That is weird and disheartening to those are either not valiant or don’t do one of required tasks like raids.
    Lower accounts push bigger accounts higher? What is this nonsense lol ..
    How are lower accounts putting Nightmare raid points in the realm event? Are they putting 15k worth of Incursions Saga points?
    They are mooching off our points and rightfully being locked by milestone minimum requirements and selector locks.
  • BostonSpidey124BostonSpidey124 Member Posts: 38

    It’s interesting how the realm events are seen as something that should unite the whole community. The first (and IMO best realm event) required players to win at least one fight in Necropolis in order to qualify. A huge % of players did not and could not participate in that event.

    And where did the idea come from that everyone should be able to teach every milestone? When Epoch is released, nobody thinks that every TB bro should be able to explore it. I’m not asking rhetorically, I’m genuinely curious. What is it about the realm events that makes everyone feel differently?

    I agree with everyone that the communication around this event has been really weird, but Mike probably gave us the hint when he mentioned that some of the milestones are connected to future announcements. Doesn’t mean this is a good design or comms plan, but that might be the reason they aren’t just publishing the traditional table of points.

    What do you feel the point of Realm events is?

    Necropolis didn’t have a true Realm event. It had an event that was running in the background that allowed the people who could do it to get extra rewards. The first Realm event was Crystal opening which everyone could do and everyone could hit the minimum to get all rewards achieved. The next was battlegrounds, again everyone could hit the minimum to get all scored rewards but definitely harder for lower accounts. Next was banquet and again same story. This is the first realm event that all players can contribute points but only valiant (and maybe paragon) can hit the minimum. Why do we have an event where lower accounts get to push higher accounts higher?

    I thought realm events were meant to give all summoners something to push for and the more everyone pushes the more everyone is rewarded. Here everyone pushes but after a certain point, only those that are valiant will get rewarded. That is weird and disheartening to those are either not valiant or don’t do one of required tasks like raids.
    Lower accounts push bigger accounts higher? What is this nonsense lol ..
    How are lower accounts putting Nightmare raid points in the realm event? Are they putting 15k worth of Incursions Saga points?
    They are mooching off our points and rightfully being locked by milestone minimum requirements and selector locks.
    Do you really believe that the final milestone is achievable by only the valiant players who hit the 300K? In other words, if you removed every point from players that can’t get the 300K, do you believe the final milestone will still be achieved? I don’t. I believe you need all of those other players’ points who can’t get the 300K. How is that not the lower players lifting the higher players?
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 9,618 ★★★★★
    edited July 12

    It’s interesting how the realm events are seen as something that should unite the whole community. The first (and IMO best realm event) required players to win at least one fight in Necropolis in order to qualify. A huge % of players did not and could not participate in that event.

    And where did the idea come from that everyone should be able to teach every milestone? When Epoch is released, nobody thinks that every TB bro should be able to explore it. I’m not asking rhetorically, I’m genuinely curious. What is it about the realm events that makes everyone feel differently?

    I agree with everyone that the communication around this event has been really weird, but Mike probably gave us the hint when he mentioned that some of the milestones are connected to future announcements. Doesn’t mean this is a good design or comms plan, but that might be the reason they aren’t just publishing the traditional table of points.

    What do you feel the point of Realm events is?

    Necropolis didn’t have a true Realm event. It had an event that was running in the background that allowed the people who could do it to get extra rewards. The first Realm event was Crystal opening which everyone could do and everyone could hit the minimum to get all rewards achieved. The next was battlegrounds, again everyone could hit the minimum to get all scored rewards but definitely harder for lower accounts. Next was banquet and again same story. This is the first realm event that all players can contribute points but only valiant (and maybe paragon) can hit the minimum. Why do we have an event where lower accounts get to push higher accounts higher?

    I thought realm events were meant to give all summoners something to push for and the more everyone pushes the more everyone is rewarded. Here everyone pushes but after a certain point, only those that are valiant will get rewarded. That is weird and disheartening to those are either not valiant or don’t do one of required tasks like raids.
    Lower accounts push bigger accounts higher? What is this nonsense lol ..
    How are lower accounts putting Nightmare raid points in the realm event? Are they putting 15k worth of Incursions Saga points?
    They are mooching off our points and rightfully being locked by milestone minimum requirements and selector locks.
    Do you really believe that the final milestone is achievable by only the valiant players who hit the 300K? In other words, if you removed every point from players that can’t get the 300K, do you believe the final milestone will still be achieved? I don’t. I believe you need all of those other players’ points who can’t get the 300K. How is that not the lower players lifting the higher players?
    No I don't but its idiotic to think lower progression is helping higher, when higher progression will most likely put the most points. How can someone who can't put up 300k points help more than someone who can?
    Its simple, top progression will push lower to the highest milestone possible for them. Lower progression won't push higher to the highest milestone possible. That's why we needed help from an imaginary friend like Stark Foundation before, and whales spending insane ammounts.
  • JackTheSnackJackTheSnack Member Posts: 2,152 ★★★★
    edited July 12

    The communication on this was really weird.
    People could have moved alliances based on knowing the scoring system. The drops? They claimed on the stream they were just a test. Turns out its like 7.5k points if you got em and wait to claim them after the event went live 🤣

    @KabamDORK @KabamPinwheel is there going to be a comp for this
  • Call_Me_Wap2Call_Me_Wap2 Member Posts: 82

    As for the Twitch drop issue, it actually wasn't intended for it to be in the July drop, and these are extra points.

    I'm aware that some people got it over others - (Why are you waiting a whole week to claim the Twitch drops, btw...?) - and I've asked the Data team to run a giftmap to everyone who claimed it before the points were live.

    Maybe we'll do more streams with more extra points? Who knows, it's a long summer - and this event is supposed to be a casual and fun source of extra rewards you gain from engaging with the game leading up to Summoners Fest (come hang out in Vancouver, btw)

    Awesome so happy all this is getting sorted appreciate the work you guys are doing
  • JackTheSnackJackTheSnack Member Posts: 2,152 ★★★★

    As for the Twitch drop issue, it actually wasn't intended for it to be in the July drop, and these are extra points.

    I'm aware that some people got it over others - (Why are you waiting a whole week to claim the Twitch drops, btw...?) - and I've asked the Data team to run a giftmap to everyone who claimed it before the points were live.

    Maybe we'll do more streams with more extra points? Who knows, it's a long summer - and this event is supposed to be a casual and fun source of extra rewards you gain from engaging with the game leading up to Summoners Fest (come hang out in Vancouver, btw)

    Awesome. Been curious about this one. Thanks!
  • Lost____oneLost____one Member Posts: 61
    edited July 13
    The only way to help the realm event total points as a "grind" is to Santa- bag the bg matches to allow more players to get to the three win points.

    After getting my three wins i accept matches and leave phone on table to auto fight the bg.

    Does nothing for individual points, but help out others.
  • BowTieJohnBowTieJohn Member Posts: 2,710 ★★★★

    I have to admit, it is completely frustrating. I would think it would have made more sense to strew it out among other milestones as well. Of course we can meet the objectives, but why not just offer it for each bout won. This limits the Battlegrounds to once every two days. I also do not like that you only get points for reaching [1] of each level. Gold 1, Diamond 1, etc. Why can't it be for each sub level as well? XX amount for Diamond V, Diamond IV, etc. It is forcing everyone in to modes they don't play often, and running away people that don't want to be forced to play them, ie Raids. There should also be Summoners Fest points in other Incursions fights other than Saga. I just think it is way too limited on how to achieve these. It is starting to look like as people raise rank in Battlegrounds, it would make sense to assist someone that is one win away from the new [1] rank and just give it to them for the Summoner's Fest points global number. I went in to Battlegrounds today and the last two people I went up against had their lowest champion at 42,000. How am I supposed to win against that? Some of us are Valiant, yet the AI fights in some of the modes are absolutely ridiculous. All these irritation would not be so bad if you didn't have to be at the top of everything. Summoner's Fest? Should be called Kabam Fest, because it is for them, not us.

    I agree completely. There are ways they could have included more of the community in this. They could have put in alternative objectives for players not able to do Nightmare Raids or the AW Showcase. Hopefully they read these post and consider at least in the future as I'm not sure if they can modify by adding any other objectives at this point.
  • VegetisVegetis Member Posts: 9
    They should have tied it in to a game mode that is accessible to every level of player where you can grind if you wanted to. I would grind arenas on my free time for points if I could. Players can spend units on refreshing their timer if they want and would still help Kabam achieve their goal of $$$.
  • peixemacacopeixemacaco Member Posts: 5,541 ★★★★★

    As I was thinking...

    But...

    Realm Event as it is called have a powerfull mind suggestion ,so everyone wants to join and try.

    And for the Mastodonts/Whales its awesome to show who from them, will be number one, as we can see the participation list.

    Not a big surprise to anyone....

    We have an awesome game called Marvel Contest of Champions that we can play for free ,of course to some extent, if you want more rewards to acomplish all the Realm rewards, you need to pay some to....Kabam

    Its simple and fair.

    Thanks Kabam 🥳
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  • WednesdayLengthWednesdayLength Member Posts: 3,246 ★★★★★

    I have to admit, it is completely frustrating. I would think it would have made more sense to strew it out among other milestones as well. Of course we can meet the objectives, but why not just offer it for each bout won. This limits the Battlegrounds to once every two days. I also do not like that you only get points for reaching [1] of each level. Gold 1, Diamond 1, etc. Why can't it be for each sub level as well? XX amount for Diamond V, Diamond IV, etc. It is forcing everyone in to modes they don't play often, and running away people that don't want to be forced to play them, ie Raids. There should also be Summoners Fest points in other Incursions fights other than Saga. I just think it is way too limited on how to achieve these. It is starting to look like as people raise rank in Battlegrounds, it would make sense to assist someone that is one win away from the new [1] rank and just give it to them for the Summoner's Fest points global number. I went in to Battlegrounds today and the last two people I went up against had their lowest champion at 42,000. How am I supposed to win against that? Some of us are Valiant, yet the AI fights in some of the modes are absolutely ridiculous. All these irritation would not be so bad if you didn't have to be at the top of everything. Summoner's Fest? Should be called Kabam Fest, because it is for them, not us.

    I agree completely. There are ways they could have included more of the community in this. They could have put in alternative objectives for players not able to do Nightmare Raids or the AW Showcase. Hopefully they read these post and consider at least in the future as I'm not sure if they can modify by adding any other objectives at this point.
    They've included most of the community in this, it's as simple as not being able to get every single reward if you don't play all modes of the game which is hardly anything new. The point is to play the game and unless all of the points were in the daily super event i don't get how anything they do could address the issues of everyone. You can still get a ton of shards without having to do nightmare raids
  • BowTieJohnBowTieJohn Member Posts: 2,710 ★★★★
    One question for you @WednesdayLength, do you believe all players can hit the 285,000 mark without doing the AW Showcase related points and Nightmare raids? Just curious and if so please let me know. This realm event seems different than prior ones where the entire community could honestly get the top rewards and then the rank rewards is what distinguished between players.
  • MrSakuragiMrSakuragi Member Posts: 6,822 ★★★★★

    One question for you @WednesdayLength, do you believe all players can hit the 285,000 mark without doing the AW Showcase related points and Nightmare raids? Just curious and if so please let me know. This realm event seems different than prior ones where the entire community could honestly get the top rewards and then the rank rewards is what distinguished between players.

    You will not. Kabam has said there is 300,000 available so missing the 12,000 from nightmare raids (if you’re doing regular raids) and the 15,000 from AW showcase puts you at 273,000 max if you hit everything else, do not purchase any points and didn’t get the bonus/extra points from the twitch drops.

    (If you don’t do raids at all you miss 60k points so figure that in as needed)
  • AnotherconcernplayerAnotherconcernplayer Member Posts: 156 ★★
    Actually, I starting to feel a bit concerned if we as a community would reach 38billion points.

    With lots of point lock behind end game contents and 3 BG wins isn't guaranteed with these metas

    Right I'm at milestone 27, while the Realm is only at milestone 21. Would be pretty rough to reach 285,000 points but the Realm doesn't reach it final milestone.

  • Abspain101Abspain101 Member Posts: 919 ★★★

    Actually, I starting to feel a bit concerned if we as a community would reach 38billion points.

    With lots of point lock behind end game contents and 3 BG wins isn't guaranteed with these metas

    Right I'm at milestone 27, while the Realm is only at milestone 21. Would be pretty rough to reach 285,000 points but the Realm doesn't reach it final milestone.

    I think the milestone with the modok/patriot selector is the final milestone like all the other realm events the ones after are just extra bonus milestones
  • DrZolaDrZola Member Posts: 9,844 ★★★★★
    Updating my points possibility about a week into the event.

    I’m sitting at 76.605K, which I think is the max obtainable without doing any Raids. A breakdown…

    Showcase 15K
    Incursions 15K
    Gauntlet 15K
    BGs 12.5K
    Comp package 10K

    I think we’ve had ~4 cycles of objectives from BGs, so that’s 4.8K for a total of 72.3K. I’m guessing the remainder comes from DSE.

    For large chunks of points remaining, I’m assuming there will be another 15K from next month’s Valiant Gauntlet, another 12.5K from BGs GC, and then some amounts from August Solo objectives. The rest will be DSE and every other day BGs objectives (~60K). That should peak at ~180K total for the event—for a non-Raids player.

    Dr. Zola
  • BowTieJohnBowTieJohn Member Posts: 2,710 ★★★★
    Thank you @DrZola!
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 9,027 ★★★★★
    Im now at 92485 and am missing one path nightmare raid chest and boss chest since my path hasn't made it there yet this cycle
  • DrZolaDrZola Member Posts: 9,844 ★★★★★
    ahmynuts said:

    Im now at 92485 and am missing one path nightmare raid chest and boss chest since my path hasn't made it there yet this cycle

    Raids are clearly the missing link for me and the primary reason I won’t hit the selected, absent some grand intervention (which I don’t expect).

    One aspect I didn’t appreciate is how many 7* sigs are available on the ride up. I’m swimming in them.

    Dr. Zola
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