Please explain the thought behind this Kabam

CrashOut

I just can't understand why you guys are introducing these new game modes?

Mcoc Poker and Turn based autorun, they take away from the core of MCOC for the last 10-years of building your skill, expanding your roster and these game modes come away from this completely.

I feel like something like this might be a good if the rest of the game wasn't flawed; we still have input issues from 4 years ago you never fixed, an overtuned AI that can skip frames, recover exceptional fast and is still ringing the game. Not to mention the promises to add variety to Batllegrounds, that game mode that hasn't changed since it was released 2 years ago.

How much resources and money went into these modes that could have been put into improving the game? Nobody asked for this, everybody asked for a properly working game

Phantøm_Echø

They are trying to introduce these modes to replace the side quests. Right now they are testing but I guess their vision is one month its poker, the next its dimensional arcade, and so forth

ahmynuts

My favorite thing about new game modes is that kabam immediately have to find some way to monetize it to put the community in a horrible mood before they can even get a chance to experience it and provide unimpeded feedback

CrashOut

Phantøm_Echø said:

They are trying to introduce these modes to replace the side quests. Right now they are testing but I guess their vision is one month its poker, the next its dimensional arcade, and so forth

But this arcade mode requires tickets to purchase? And the Poker game has ranked rewards both incentives spending money/units to progress or to achieve top rewards when SQ and EQ have always been fully achievable rewards

KabamPinwheel

So couple of things here, first as others have said this is another experiment, like force recruitment, trying out new and novel ways to make interesting limited time content like our side quests which pretty much everyone agrees had gotten a bit stale/boring. So gotta try out new things and tweak and improve. As for dev resources, the nice thing about these two new modes is that the impact was relatively minor and just not having them would not have impacted the issues in other modes the way you might think. Its not a one to one stop doing this and focus on that.

Ultimately the core of MCOC is a game we love and we're not moving away from it, we just want to add fun new ways to engage with the game in addition to that core.

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Vegetis

I struggle with understanding why these experiments are done in production. There is no focus group or feedback from the community on these modes until after you have spent time and money to create them.

ahmynuts

@KabamPinwheel aside from the monetization. The mode is pretty decent for what you guys seem to have been going for on a first try.
The only other thing I will say is based on this trying to step its toes into rogueish game elements:
After this mode goes away and when it returns in the future. The players progress i.e. masteries or something need to carry over or the players need to be given something to use the next time the mode shows back up as a bonus a la prestige.

ChrisBosio

The side quests weren't monetizable enough -> Add game modes to replace it with heavy monetization elements -> Netmarbleized

A_Fungi

KabamPinwheel said:

So couple of things here, first as others have said this is another experiment, like force recruitment, trying out new and novel ways to make interesting limited time content like our side quests which pretty much everyone agrees had gotten a bit stale/boring. So gotta try out new things and tweak and improve. As for dev resources, the nice thing about these two new modes is that the impact was relatively minor and just not having them would not have impacted the issues in other modes the way you might think. Its not a one to one stop doing this and focus on that.

Ultimately the core of MCOC is a game we love and we're not moving away from it, we just want to add fun new ways to engage with the game in addition to that core.

I genuinely want to know who played this Doom Cycle Dimensional Arcade and said, “this is really fun, let’s roll it out.”

Zuko_ILC

Both new modes don't fit with this game. I feel like there was a lot of time wasted adding these modes when there are still a ton of bugs to fix. We have enough game modes, kabam just needs to pay attention to them and buff rewards to make them worth playing.

Zuko_ILC

Vegetis said:

I struggle with understanding why these experiments are done in production. There is no focus group or feedback from the community on these modes until after you have spent time and money to create them.

Why even have the CCP at this point?

shield311

they are trying to send a message - "save your money, sanity and uninstall the game"

GroundedWisdom

Zuko_ILC said:

Both new modes don't fit with this game. I feel like there was a lot of time wasted adding these modes when there are still a ton of bugs to fix. We have enough game modes, kabam just needs to pay attention to them and buff rewards to make them worth playing.

I'm enjoying the card game, and others are as well. It's another layer of enjoyment. Not for everyone but not all things are.

Steam97

KabamPinwheel said:

So couple of things here, first as others have said this is another experiment, like force recruitment, trying out new and novel ways to make interesting limited time content like our side quests which pretty much everyone agrees had gotten a bit stale/boring. So gotta try out new things and tweak and improve. As for dev resources, the nice thing about these two new modes is that the impact was relatively minor and just not having them would not have impacted the issues in other modes the way you might think. Its not a one to one stop doing this and focus on that.

Ultimately the core of MCOC is a game we love and we're not moving away from it, we just want to add fun new ways to engage with the game in addition to that core.

The problem is that these new game modes have literally nothing to do with MCOC, I play to play MCOC, not mini games that require you to do something else

El_Professor

The card game I like, future versions could rely more on our rosters, fights could be harder, different scoring types, there’s room for it to grow and change within MCOC.

The arcade is just… a different game, that the launch button just happens to be inside mcoc. Same assets sure, that’s about it.

If you wanted to play around with this idea, why limit entry so much? And charge for tickets, seriously? That just make it feel more like an entire, different game slapped into Mcoc, that no one really asked for or expected. It’s not even a bad basis for a game, there are lots of masteries, 4 playable characters (kind of), dialog, etc… but, why do it like this?

Phantøm_Echø

CrashOut said:

Phantøm_Echø said:

They are trying to introduce these modes to replace the side quests. Right now they are testing but I guess their vision is one month its poker, the next its dimensional arcade, and so forth

But this arcade mode requires tickets to purchase? And the Poker game has ranked rewards both incentives spending money/units to progress or to achieve top rewards when SQ and EQ have always been fully achievable rewards

You get all the usual rewards... just think of the ranking as bonus to reach for. Theoretically you are getting all the mysterium, shards, and catalysts you usually get. And the tickets are just to speed up the event they are not required

BringPopcorn

KabamPinwheel said:

So couple of things here, first as others have said this is another experiment, like force recruitment, trying out new and novel ways to make interesting limited time content like our side quests which pretty much everyone agrees had gotten a bit stale/boring. So gotta try out new things and tweak and improve. As for dev resources, the nice thing about these two new modes is that the impact was relatively minor and just not having them would not have impacted the issues in other modes the way you might think. Its not a one to one stop doing this and focus on that.

Ultimately the core of MCOC is a game we love and we're not moving away from it, we just want to add fun new ways to engage with the game in addition to that core.

I am going to say this as nice as I can. How about instead of using us as guinea pigs, some of the issues in the current game are fixed.
How is this auto fight scrolling thing even related to MCoC other than the champions that might as well be a Plumber with a mustache and his brother?

BringPopcorn

Adding to the previous post.
I can't believe you guys take time on something like this .. regardless if there are rewards or whatever. I would love to say you guys have too much time on your hands; but then I remember that you guys take forever to fix bugs and issues so I am confused.

Wicket329

KabamPinwheel said:

So couple of things here, first as others have said this is another experiment, like force recruitment, trying out new and novel ways to make interesting limited time content like our side quests which pretty much everyone agrees had gotten a bit stale/boring. So gotta try out new things and tweak and improve. As for dev resources, the nice thing about these two new modes is that the impact was relatively minor and just not having them would not have impacted the issues in other modes the way you might think. Its not a one to one stop doing this and focus on that.

Ultimately the core of MCOC is a game we love and we're not moving away from it, we just want to add fun new ways to engage with the game in addition to that core.

I’ve really been enjoying these side games that have out of the ordinary mechanics to them. Dimensional Arcade especially brings me back to the flash games I used to play while pretending like I was paying attention in class.

I do think that it seems over-aggressively monetized. To get all of the rewards, you need to clear the story (8 entry tokens) and clear shatter mode 25 times (25 more entry tokens). That’s a total of 33. The tokens refresh every 24 hours. Is that three per day or only one? If it’s three, that’s not terrible. If it’s only one… that’s not good.

I discovered the hard way that it is extremely easy to accidentally exit mid run because of the big X button on the top of the screen. There also needs to be a way to review the perks you’ve picked up mid run. I took one that gave me a “random rare drop,” but I had no way of learning what that drop was. Not ideal.

Anyway, I really enjoy it. I could see myself sinking real time into a silly mode like this. But it’s got a *lot* of rough edges right now in need of smoothing.

CrashOut

KabamPinwheel said:

So couple of things here, first as others have said this is another experiment, like force recruitment, trying out new and novel ways to make interesting limited time content like our side quests which pretty much everyone agrees had gotten a bit stale/boring. So gotta try out new things and tweak and improve. As for dev resources, the nice thing about these two new modes is that the impact was relatively minor and just not having them would not have impacted the issues in other modes the way you might think. Its not a one to one stop doing this and focus on that.

Ultimately the core of MCOC is a game we love and we're not moving away from it, we just want to add fun new ways to engage with the game in addition to that core.

But if that's the case and these are 'new and exciting' versions of EQ,SQ then why is it so heavily monetised?

This doom bot thing has one shot a day unless just spend straight up monies to go again? And there's zero skill, I couldn't get through quest 4 because I'm champion died so now I do nothing with it that's just boring

And there's zero chance whoever wins these High Evolutionary are free to play, saw one guy spend 300 energy refills.

Both game modes require money to play, that's not EQ or SQ and never has been so what's the plan?

Dernick

I hate this new mode. I dont know what else to say. Its stupid and extremly boring.

CrashOut

Dernick said:

I hate this new mode. I dont know what else to say. Its stupid and extremly boring.

There's zero engagement, oooh you can click the screen to get special damage and watch your champion get punched in the face, so much fun...

And the poker is just rng, I go for flush and have multiple occasions where I start with 4 of the same faction, role 3 times and still have 4 of the same faction losing out on 1500 points. But someone can literally just start with a royal flush and get 30k which seems to be about top 20% rewards from one hand. It's ****

Kabam Crashed

CrashOut said:

I just can't understand why you guys are introducing these new game modes?

Mcoc Poker and Turn based autorun, they take away from the core of MCOC for the last 10-years of building your skill, expanding your roster and these game modes come away from this completely.

I feel like something like this might be a good if the rest of the game wasn't flawed; we still have input issues from 4 years ago you never fixed, an overtuned AI that can skip frames, recover exceptional fast and is still ringing the game. Not to mention the promises to add variety to Batllegrounds, that game mode that hasn't changed since it was released 2 years ago.

How much resources and money went into these modes that could have been put into improving the game? Nobody asked for this, everybody asked for a properly working game

To expand on what Pinwheel said above, most of the issues you list (input problems, overtuned AI, defender reaction time, skipped frames). are gameplay engineering problems. There were zero gameplay engineering resources spent on the Recruitment and Doom Cycle modes.

Kabam Crashed

Wicket329 said:

KabamPinwheel said:

So couple of things here, first as others have said this is another experiment, like force recruitment, trying out new and novel ways to make interesting limited time content like our side quests which pretty much everyone agrees had gotten a bit stale/boring. So gotta try out new things and tweak and improve. As for dev resources, the nice thing about these two new modes is that the impact was relatively minor and just not having them would not have impacted the issues in other modes the way you might think. Its not a one to one stop doing this and focus on that.

Ultimately the core of MCOC is a game we love and we're not moving away from it, we just want to add fun new ways to engage with the game in addition to that core.

I’ve really been enjoying these side games that have out of the ordinary mechanics to them. Dimensional Arcade especially brings me back to the flash games I used to play while pretending like I was paying attention in class.

I do think that it seems over-aggressively monetized. To get all of the rewards, you need to clear the story (8 entry tokens) and clear shatter mode 25 times (25 more entry tokens). That’s a total of 33. The tokens refresh every 24 hours. Is that three per day or only one? If it’s three, that’s not terrible. If it’s only one… that’s not good.

I discovered the hard way that it is extremely easy to accidentally exit mid run because of the big X button on the top of the screen. There also needs to be a way to review the perks you’ve picked up mid run. I took one that gave me a “random rare drop,” but I had no way of learning what that drop was. Not ideal.

Anyway, I really enjoy it. I could see myself sinking real time into a silly mode like this. But it’s got a *lot* of rough edges right now in need of smoothing.

Three free entries per day.

CrashOut

I take back whay I said on resources being moved etc but the game modes themselves are terrible.

No real engagement, massive rng aspect, no consideration for the players skill level or roster, heavy monetization

I thought you were realising something based on prestige not whatever this idea is

Phantøm_Echø

CrashOut said:

I take back whay I said on resources being moved etc but the game modes themselves are terrible.

No real engagement, massive rng aspect, no consideration for the players skill level or roster, heavy monetization

I thought you were realising something based on prestige not whatever this idea is

That's the event quest...

BringPopcorn

You know that feeling you get when your favorite restaurant starts losing quality...
Same feeling about the game right now

CrashOut

And on top of this Crashed, you're in 4loki, I fought you last season, you're one of the players at the top of the game you really wanted this to be introduced? This is how you want to spend time in the game? 😂

Tempest_024

BringPopcorn said:

You know that feeling you get when your favorite restaurant starts losing quality...
Same feeling about the game right now

Like a Mexican restaurant just started putting Chinese on the menu.

Nik0352

New mode cal either play it every day or donate to play energy everywhere or wait or throw a card into the screen and yes exactly the arena top occupation in general we tolerate further continue to dona and better more!