BGS are not enjoyable

Shevvel

I’ve been playing MCoC for years now and have always appreciated how Battlegrounds gave both F2P and spending players a fair competitive space. But the current GC meta has completely ruined that balance, especially for F2P players like me.

This re-parry + stun-based meta demands that you:

Stun the opponent (which now depends on re-parry),

Time everything perfectly,

And worst of all, rely on the AI to cooperate.

Problem? The AI rarely does.

Re-parrying is clunky, unreliable, and doesn’t work consistently on all champs.

Dexing too much causes regen because you’re waiting for them to throw specials.

Passive AI becomes even worse when my deck is filled with Rank 3 champs and I face whale accounts full of Rank 4 champs. It’s just not a fair fight anymore.

Even with perfect inputs and strategy, I lose because the AI simply won’t throw specials, or I get punished trying to bait. This isn't fun. It’s not competitive. It’s stressful. BGs used to be a fun escape — now it just feels like work I don’t get paid for.

KABAM: If the AI isn’t controllable or fair, please don’t make metas that are AI-reliant. Give us metas that reward skill and roster diversity — not meta-specific champs and deck power inflation.

Until then, I’ll either stick to Victory Track or take a break entirely. This isn't the experience long-time F2P players deserve.

captain_rogers

Yes this meta is bs, but way better than previous electric defense meta.

Soumemiakas1926

captain_rogers said:

Yes this meta is bs, but way better than previous electric defense meta.

The previous meta was paradise compared to this one. This one is the worst of all time.

Kabam Crashed

I'll be honest, this meta's demands are too much for me, I'm not good enough, but you can't argue it doesn't reward skill. You have to know the heavy spacing for every champion to reliably knock them down, you have to know the optimized dex timing to avoid specials without triggering the regen. It's one of the most skill-intensive metas we have had in a long time (by design of course, given the Brawl qualifiers).

Kabam (Osaurus) Rex

Kabam Crashed said:

I'll be honest, this meta's demands are too much for me, I'm not good enough

Hey man, yes you are

Section 2 Path 5 Destroyer MVP over here

BigBlueOx

Kabam Crashed said:

I'll be honest, this meta's demands are too much for me, I'm not good enough, but you can't argue it doesn't reward skill. You have to know the heavy spacing for every champion to reliably knock them down, you have to know the optimized dex timing to avoid specials without triggering the regen. It's one of the most skill-intensive metas we have had in a long time (by design of course, given the Brawl qualifiers).

I think a meta like this woulda been great Pre Serpent level end boss defender kits. To me the real frustration is the meta plus the complexity of the average meta defender these days just ends up giving us something that ends up up not being all that fun. Can agree that skill does get rewarded here, usually in an ugly W lol

BringPopcorn

I understand the intention and point of this.
I just don't like that people like me not interested on the showdown have to play the qualifying meta.

horrendous_too

BringPopcorn said:

I understand the intention and point of this.
I just don't like that people like me not interested on the showdown have to play the qualifying meta.

I mean realistically there is probably ~100 people who have the roster and skills to actually make the showdown. But sure lets make sure everyone else who plays knows their pain. I will say it is slightly less draft focused than the last meta. But I will never understand why they don't just give those at the tippy top their own meta and leave a little bit of fun for those of us who suck more. The meta already switches from VT to GC, just have celestial be their own meta and then really go to town on them. Supposedly none of them ever leave the game so hit them and let us play.

VanillaCoke

BringPopcorn said:

I understand the intention and point of this.
I just don't like that people like me not interested on the showdown have to play the qualifying meta.

The qualifying meta for last brawl was Crit Me With Your Best Shot. The reality is there will be different metas whether there’s a brawl or not. Let’s wait and see what next season’s qualifying meta’s will be.

BringPopcorn

VanillaCoke said:

BringPopcorn said:

I understand the intention and point of this.
I just don't like that people like me not interested on the showdown have to play the qualifying meta.

The qualifying meta for last brawl was Crit Me With Your Best Shot. The reality is there will be different metas whether there’s a brawl or not. Let’s wait and see what next season’s qualifying meta’s will be.

horrendous_too said:

BringPopcorn said:

I understand the intention and point of this.
I just don't like that people like me not interested on the showdown have to play the qualifying meta.

I mean realistically there is probably ~100 people who have the roster and skills to actually make the showdown. But sure lets make sure everyone else who plays knows their pain. I will say it is slightly less draft focused than the last meta. But I will never understand why they don't just give those at the tippy top their own meta and leave a little bit of fun for those of us who suck more. The meta already switches from VT to GC, just have celestial be their own meta and then really go to town on them. Supposedly none of them ever leave the game so hit them and let us play.

When I was in high school there was a guy who had a chance to make it into the US olympic swim team. The other swimmers didn't have to go thru his training drills and schedules....

CheeseMaster482

horrendous_too said:

BringPopcorn said:

I understand the intention and point of this.
I just don't like that people like me not interested on the showdown have to play the qualifying meta.

I mean realistically there is probably ~100 people who have the roster and skills to actually make the showdown. But sure lets make sure everyone else who plays knows their pain. I will say it is slightly less draft focused than the last meta. But I will never understand why they don't just give those at the tippy top their own meta and leave a little bit of fun for those of us who suck more. The meta already switches from VT to GC, just have celestial be their own meta and then really go to town on them. Supposedly none of them ever leave the game so hit them and let us play.

So what you are saying is you don't want to be challenged in the supposed "competitive" mode. This is the literal definition of a skill issue.

DrZola

Just lends more credence to the “do they even play their own game” argument.

Dr. Zola

TotemCorruption

DrZola said:

Just lends more credence to the “do they even play their own game” argument.

Dr. Zola

Well the designers do all play to varying extents, but they all obviously have jobs and lives, which makes it hard to be a celestial level player.
It's like master luthiers who aren't professional musicians.
Not every luthier can spend all day building guitars and practicing too at the highest level, especially if you have something else going on in your life on top of that.

KapKamot3

It seems most players dont have problem competing. The issue is huge rating gaps. Like in boxing, lighweight is competing in heavyweight division lol. Even with the skill, its gona be tough.

CheeseMaster482

KapKamot3 said:

It seems most players dont have problem competing. The issue is huge rating gaps. Like in boxing, lighweight is competing in heavyweight division lol. Even with the skill, its gona be tough.

Nah bro you just too broke. Drop 1k or stay with the plebians 😡😡. I did not spend 1k to lose BGs matches 😡😡

Anotherconcernplayer

Kabam (Osaurus) Rex said:

Kabam Crashed said:

I'll be honest, this meta's demands are too much for me, I'm not good enough

Hey man, yes you are

Section 2 Path 5 Destroyer MVP over here

Ok so here an idea:-

What if during the Battle Brawl, Kabam also set up a side tournament for Kabam staffs, I think it is time we find out who is the Kabam top BG dog.

Of course KarateMike and MSD can only be commentators (not allowed for participation).

Would love to see @KabamPinwheel take on @KabamDORK

Price:- a Special title "Kabam BG top dog" and 1 week extra holiday.

Come on @Kabam Crashed , let make it happen. 🤩

Chovner

This meta is hot garbage... but the garbage bags are full of excrement... and it's the middle of July on a +40C day.... and the bags are on black asphalt.... in a glass box... with the bottom lined with foil


In summary, I'm not enjoying this

dv99999

Chovner said:

This meta is hot garbage... but the garbage bags are full of excrement... and it's the middle of July on a +40C day.... and the bags are on black asphalt.... in a glass box... with the bottom lined with foil


In summary, I'm not enjoying this

sh.....it game mode !

MrSanguini

Soumemiakas1926 said:

captain_rogers said:

Yes this meta is bs, but way better than previous electric defense meta.

The previous meta was paradise compared to this one. This one is the worst of all time.

How is a meta where most attackers get power burned to death or time out if you don’t play at a snail’s pace any better than the meta where most attackers can actually finish the fight if the player knows how to Reparry and minimize dexing?

DrZola

TotemCorruption said:

DrZola said:

Just lends more credence to the “do they even play their own game” argument.

Dr. Zola

Well the designers do all play to varying extents, but they all obviously have jobs and lives, which makes it hard to be a celestial level player.
It's like master luthiers who aren't professional musicians.
Not every luthier can spend all day building guitars and practicing too at the highest level, especially if you have something else going on in your life on top of that.

Some do, sure. But it makes me wonder how siloed the game production is, or whether those who do play a good bit have a voice in what gets thrown out.

Dr. Zola

Lloxxll

Current Battlegrounds is means for boycotting this game. Enough is enough, they'll only listen when people stop spending on this game.

The current AI is completely unplayable against. They don't play their own game and it shows.

Searmenis

If you want something specifically hard for Brawlers classifiers, do a separate meta for Celestial+. Because this way, the rest of 99,9% of the players that don t compete for that, will get way lesser rewards in the end, and that s unfair for them. The big kahunas get to compete AND all the radiance.

狗策划死全家

期待想出这个月节点的策划今年死全家

Zuro

When they started releasing absurd defenders every month instead of every few months, is when the game mode died ngl

Zuro

Defender kits are way too punishing nowadays so now every meta feels like BS

Shevvel

Searmenis said:

If you want something specifically hard for Brawlers classifiers, do a separate meta for Celestial+. Because this way, the rest of 99,9% of the players that don t compete for that, will get way lesser rewards in the end, and that s unfair for them. The big kahunas get to compete AND all the radiance.

more sensible. Why should others get punished for something they dont even push for

Agent_007

Battlegrounds feel unplayable to me. I took a couple years off of playing and just picked the game back up a couple months ago. I dont have a strong roster so Im always disadvantaged with the matchmaking. Some of these newer champions feel over-powered and you add the crazy meta to that and definitely feel overwhelmed. I can imagine other returning summoners feeling the same way.

dv99999

Maybe Battleground can make someone to delete the shi...tt..y game

Manofjustice32

If you want people to play you should take the punishment of losing away in GC. Let it still be skill based but you don’t lose your points. No one wants to drop back to zero by getting a string of bad matchups. It can still be skill based without having to overly punish for losses that way more people keep trying to push.

Skyfaw

Shevvel said:

I’ve been playing MCoC for years now and have always appreciated how Battlegrounds gave both F2P and spending players a fair competitive space. But the current GC meta has completely ruined that balance, especially for F2P players like me.

This re-parry + stun-based meta demands that you:

Stun the opponent (which now depends on re-parry),

Time everything perfectly,

And worst of all, rely on the AI to cooperate.

Problem? The AI rarely does.

Re-parrying is clunky, unreliable, and doesn’t work consistently on all champs.

Dexing too much causes regen because you’re waiting for them to throw specials.

Passive AI becomes even worse when my deck is filled with Rank 3 champs and I face whale accounts full of Rank 4 champs. It’s just not a fair fight anymore.

Even with perfect inputs and strategy, I lose because the AI simply won’t throw specials, or I get punished trying to bait. This isn't fun. It’s not competitive. It’s stressful. BGs used to be a fun escape — now it just feels like work I don’t get paid for.

KABAM: If the AI isn’t controllable or fair, please don’t make metas that are AI-reliant. Give us metas that reward skill and roster diversity — not meta-specific champs and deck power inflation.

Until then, I’ll either stick to Victory Track or take a break entirely. This isn't the experience long-time F2P players deserve.

What does being F2P or spending have to do with any of the things you said above. You think spenders don’t have to re parry either or immune to AI shenanigans?

The main problem I see is the node combination stacked on top of the 5/5 defenders innate abilities. Makes it super challenging even if you get one of the few good option for that fight, doesn’t mean it’ll be easy. But that feels like every season tbh. I’m looking forward to when they introduce there black listed champs for the season so we can stop seeing the same defenders every match. Would be less RNG since it’ll free up some spots. Cuz we be needing to have like at least 4 counters in our deck for every defender.

Blokston_1

This BG meta is embarrassing, not to mention the matchmaking, they haven't improved anything... clearly scripted and unplayable. They should do something else because this is ****.