**UPDATES TO ENLISTMENT GIFTING EVENT:**
To prevent exploitation, we will prevent new Accounts from being able to Gift enlistment crystals. We will also be taking action on those who are using 3rd Party Sellers, Bots and other farms to gift themselves mass amounts of Enlistment Crystals. Lastly, we will be adding an expiration timer to Enlistment Crystals. All unopened Enlistment Crystals will expire on Oct 18 @ 17:00 UTC. For more information, please see this post: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/346104/updates-to-enlistment-gifting-event
**KNOWN ISSUE**
We have adjusted the node placement of the new AW maps to better allow path traversal. As a result, defender placements have been reset. Please, take a moment to re-place your defender setup. We will be pushing out a message in-game shortly.

Champion Spotlight - Sentry [Updated: Added 5-Star Stats]

1282931333440

Comments

  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 34,810 ★★★★★
    Neroa65 wrote: »
    Neroa65 wrote: »
    Twunt wrote: »
    I’m only proving that your vague and ambiguous arguments hold no merit. Let’s talk about Sentry instead of trying to debate how misinformed or mistaken everyone from players to developers are regarding the denotation of messages that Kabam delivers to us.

    Yep. I agree. This thread is specifically about Sentry. To be honest while everyone is entitled to their opinion, I don't see the reason to comment if you've got nothing to add or don't see any reason as to why Sentry should be improved. Well that's just me.

    That aside, if the mods think this thread is irrelevant, they'd have shut it down a long time ago. But that isn't the case, so perhaps there's hope.

    That is one-sided. The Thread is about Sentry. That doesn't mean the only people who should contribute are the ones who agree he needs to be buffed.

    Not sure what you mean but he is already terrible in an epic way. There is no other direction to go because he can't possibly get worse than he is now, because he is that bad.

    What can people who don't think he needs to be buffed possibly achieve at this point? And who (maybe except you) doesn't agree that he should be buffed? 100% of everyone who pulled him and played him (including myself) think he needs some work. 100% of those that watched videos of his gameplay thinks he needs to be buffed. 100% of every Sentry fan think he definitely needs to be buffed.

    So who doesn't think he needs to be buffed? And if you think so, have you pulled him? Have you played him?

    Did I say he doesn't need buffed? No. I said they don't buff Champs that soon, and there is a range of Champs that have different strengths. Meaning they're not all OP.
  • HittchedHittched Posts: 9
    Not sure if this has been mentioned before but I was thinking maybe Sentry and Gladiator Hulk (if he is indeed introduced) will have synergy that buffs Sentry up a bit? These two have history so it would kind of make sense. When Hulk came back to earth after his stint on Sakaar, the Avengers needed Sentry to slow him down. Sentry failed but it showed how powerful Sentry cold be.
  • DaMunkDaMunk Posts: 1,883 ★★★★
    edited January 2018
    Hittched wrote: »
    Not sure if this has been mentioned before but I was thinking maybe Sentry and Gladiator Hulk (if he is indeed introduced) will have synergy that buffs Sentry up a bit? These two have history so it would kind of make sense. When Hulk came back to earth after his stint on Sakaar, the Avengers needed Sentry to slow him down. Sentry failed but it showed how powerful Sentry cold be.

    I suspect there will be a synergy there too. It would have to be an incredibly powerful synergy, more than we've seen before, to make him worth anything. Something like 12% attack and 12% crit rate increase at a minimum before he became worth having.
    I hope they give him some love there though. The bad thing would be relying on a synergy to have a useful champ. As it stands right now Sentry is just horrible.
  • DrOctavius2_2DrOctavius2_2 Posts: 432 ★★
    Sentrys stradfast approach has a lot of potential but it is taken away away a 10 hit combo. Wish there were a way to actually make use of his perfect block
  • ImranAzharImranAzhar Posts: 34
    Next time kabam should just post a video of any champ they release taking on WS in ROL. That's the current testing benchmark by the community. At least the community can decide whether or not they want to go for champ base on the video not description on the champ. What is evidence here is that people misinterpret the description thus leading to confusion about the said champ.
  • The_Sentry12The_Sentry12 Posts: 29
    Lol this thread is still active. Kudos to the dedication of everyone. I mean Kabam probably won't answer our prayers for a buff to Sentry but I do see potential in adding a synergy that balances him off or at the very least makes him useful. I'm putting all my eggs in one basket and gonna hope that if Gladiator Hulk is released he has that synergy that saves this character.
  • Regarding recommending recoil,

    “ In addition, his situational Regeneration on Special 3 will help mitigate damage taken from Recoil.“

    Since when did L3 given recoil damage? Thought it was just L1 & L2
  • DaMunkDaMunk Posts: 1,883 ★★★★
    Well you get regen from his L3. They are saying an occasional L3 would help recover recoil damage from using his L1 and L2. As of right now L3 doesn't cause recoil damage. It used to if I'm not mistaken, probably a bug they will fix when they find time.
  • ThalionThalion Posts: 65
    I think you're interpreting it they way you would like to see it. Not that clarification isn't needed sometimes. The 30% is only while in that state.

    In fact, im not, i did 'understand correct' the first time, but is just an examle how other people would read it, and an exapmle how this spolitght is missleading.

    A lot of people understoot the way i describe, even a few youtubers.
  • DaMunkDaMunk Posts: 1,883 ★★★★
    Mattikus42 wrote: »
    If you get a bad 5* champ it can make or break your account. Not everyone is lucky enough to get blade. People use all their resources and dupe a sentry what are they supposed to do? Just not rank him up and save for months again to try and get a better champ? Then you fall behind everyone else even more. I don’t think some people realize how important it can be. He has to be at least useable. Smh. For shame kabam. For shame.

    The resources used to get and rank my Sentry didn't hurt me but I get your point. A bad pull at a critical time can be devastating. That's what blows my mind when people defend Sentry or try and shift blame. Sentry is not just a bad champ he's absolutely useless. He doesn't shine in any part of the game. Even if you have a 5* r4 most of the time you would be better off using a 4* r5 if not all the time. Kabam should be embarrassed for missing a great opportunity. All their work developing Sentry has been a detriment to the game.
  • G0311G0311 Posts: 913 ★★★
    Have him dupped at 5* and he definitely needs a buff big time, i wonder if i max out my lesser cruelty would it make a noticeable difference on how much i crit, i already maxed out my greater cruelty.
  • DaMunkDaMunk Posts: 1,883 ★★★★
    G0311 wrote: »
    Have him dupped at 5* and he definitely needs a buff big time, i wonder if i max out my lesser cruelty would it make a noticeable difference on how much i crit, i already maxed out my greater cruelty.

    Cruelty is cit damage. Guessing you mean precision? Running a couple crit synergies would be more effective than lesser precision and you would still have the points for something useful.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 34,810 ★★★★★
    DaMunk wrote: »
    Mattikus42 wrote: »
    If you get a bad 5* champ it can make or break your account. Not everyone is lucky enough to get blade. People use all their resources and dupe a sentry what are they supposed to do? Just not rank him up and save for months again to try and get a better champ? Then you fall behind everyone else even more. I don’t think some people realize how important it can be. He has to be at least useable. Smh. For shame kabam. For shame.

    The resources used to get and rank my Sentry didn't hurt me but I get your point. A bad pull at a critical time can be devastating. That's what blows my mind when people defend Sentry or try and shift blame. Sentry is not just a bad champ he's absolutely useless. He doesn't shine in any part of the game. Even if you have a 5* r4 most of the time you would be better off using a 4* r5 if not all the time. Kabam should be embarrassed for missing a great opportunity. All their work developing Sentry has been a detriment to the game.

    It's probably a wise idea to get to know a Champ before rolling for them and Ranking them. That's one of the problems. People generally get anxious to try for them sight-unseen because they want them as fast as possible. However, there's usually a number of sources for information on Champs as soon as they are out, and in some cases before. We can't blame the Champ if we don't look before we leap.
  • Neroa65Neroa65 Posts: 302 ★★
    Most wanted champs don't come good or even useful simple as that.

    Look at Carnage, Green Goblin and now Sentry.
    At least Green Goblin is somewhat unpredictable in AW defense. Can't say the same for the other two.

    My argument tho'. Sentry's mechanics has good potential. Increase his %. Problem solved.
  • TsunaniTsunani Posts: 173
    Kabam, I want to trade my sentry for a void. Thanks
  • Mattikus42Mattikus42 Posts: 33
    DaMunk wrote: »
    Mattikus42 wrote: »
    If you get a bad 5* champ it can make or break your account. Not everyone is lucky enough to get blade. People use all their resources and dupe a sentry what are they supposed to do? Just not rank him up and save for months again to try and get a better champ? Then you fall behind everyone else even more. I don’t think some people realize how important it can be. He has to be at least useable. Smh. For shame kabam. For shame.

    The resources used to get and rank my Sentry didn't hurt me but I get your point. A bad pull at a critical time can be devastating. That's what blows my mind when people defend Sentry or try and shift blame. Sentry is not just a bad champ he's absolutely useless. He doesn't shine in any part of the game. Even if you have a 5* r4 most of the time you would be better off using a 4* r5 if not all the time. Kabam should be embarrassed for missing a great opportunity. All their work developing Sentry has been a detriment to the game.

    It's probably a wise idea to get to know a Champ before rolling for them and Ranking them. That's one of the problems. People generally get anxious to try for them sight-unseen because they want them as fast as possible. However, there's usually a number of sources for information on Champs as soon as they are out, and in some cases before. We can't blame the Champ if we don't look before we leap.

    I did check out the spotlight before he was released. Kabam said he was great for long fights. Made him sound like he was a science version of starlord. And then in the monthly quests they said he was one of the most power contestants ever and the collector didn’t know what to do with him. So tell me how I was supposed to know he would be the worst champ in the game from that?
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 17,093 Guardian
    Neroa65 wrote: »
    Following the way the game was designed and contents released. Nodes and Alliance contents and such inclusive, we've been given the idea that for a champ to have any reasonable "usefulness", said champ must have at the very least, 1 out of a few things. Those few things include -
    1. High Damage output
    2. Power control
    3. Immunity to some form of Damage Over Time (Shruggers, damage/DoT time reducers included)
    4. Ability Accuracy Reduction
    5. Some form of Substantial Regeneration, etc

    Been thinking about this myself. I do not believe that list is exhaustive. Because I think in terms of role-based and not ability-based capability, I think there are some roles for which that list isn't fully descriptive. Aside from ignoring AWD usefulness, there are some other interesting abilities. I would argue that Agent Venom, while not a top tier champion, is moderately useful while lacking those features. His ability to shrug off debuffs makes him situationally interesting. Quake is also an interesting and useful champion while lacking those features. And the grandmother of all situationally useful champions, Guillotine, also seems to demonstrate usefulness outside of that list, even though she does have some regeneration when awakened. She's situationally useful unawakened without those abilities. I'd probably put Yellowjacket and Cap WWII on that list as well.

    We can, of course, debate what "high damage output" is, but I think champions not known specifically for being high damage output can still be useful while lacking the other abilities on the list. What they all seem to have in common is an interesting or unique ability that makes them suitable for use in more than an extremely limited set of encounters. Guillotine might be queen of heal reversal, but she's also a competent attacker outside of that realm. Yellowjacket's sting is at least somewhat useful everywhere, and thus makes him an above average attacker almost everywhere. And while blocking is not as valued these days, Cap WWII's strong block means he has value with any player that has trouble blocking certain champion's attacks. He can be sustainable in some cases because of that.

    Still haven't found the useful niche for Sentry yet, though.

    The notion of playing for fun was thrown out the window a long time ago, at least for top tier players.. Because quite honestly there is no such content. Sure some awesome fun to beat content like boss rush comes once in awhile but even then, you have to work with champs that have one of what is listed above.

    Perhaps, but if a champion is fun to play for a large majority of players, the fact that top tier players might not appreciate that would be largely irrelevant to a game development team. This falls under the category of not everything must be considered good by everyone.
  • Mattikus42Mattikus42 Posts: 33
    And we should have to check out YouTube and chat sites and kabam spotlights and all these other ways to check out champs that you speak of. We should be able to play the game we love and trust that the all powerful developers won’t screw us. But your right. We are idiots for expecting them to operate like normal people.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 17,093 Guardian
    Mattikus42 wrote: »
    DaMunk wrote: »
    Mattikus42 wrote: »
    If you get a bad 5* champ it can make or break your account. Not everyone is lucky enough to get blade. People use all their resources and dupe a sentry what are they supposed to do? Just not rank him up and save for months again to try and get a better champ? Then you fall behind everyone else even more. I don’t think some people realize how important it can be. He has to be at least useable. Smh. For shame kabam. For shame.

    The resources used to get and rank my Sentry didn't hurt me but I get your point. A bad pull at a critical time can be devastating. That's what blows my mind when people defend Sentry or try and shift blame. Sentry is not just a bad champ he's absolutely useless. He doesn't shine in any part of the game. Even if you have a 5* r4 most of the time you would be better off using a 4* r5 if not all the time. Kabam should be embarrassed for missing a great opportunity. All their work developing Sentry has been a detriment to the game.

    It's probably a wise idea to get to know a Champ before rolling for them and Ranking them. That's one of the problems. People generally get anxious to try for them sight-unseen because they want them as fast as possible. However, there's usually a number of sources for information on Champs as soon as they are out, and in some cases before. We can't blame the Champ if we don't look before we leap.

    I did check out the spotlight before he was released. Kabam said he was great for long fights. Made him sound like he was a science version of starlord. And then in the monthly quests they said he was one of the most power contestants ever and the collector didn’t know what to do with him. So tell me how I was supposed to know he would be the worst champ in the game from that?

    Well, to be frank I knew something was terribly wrong when I read Kabam was recommending suicides for a champion who by their own description gets most of his damage output from non-scaling special attack damage buffs.
  • DaMunkDaMunk Posts: 1,883 ★★★★
    edited January 2018
    Cable wrote: »
    Lets just all agree that Sentry is a lemon plain and simple

    Lol...yeah definitely a dud. We need a digital lemon law.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 17,093 Guardian
    DaMunk wrote: »
    Mattikus42 wrote: »
    If you get a bad 5* champ it can make or break your account. Not everyone is lucky enough to get blade. People use all their resources and dupe a sentry what are they supposed to do? Just not rank him up and save for months again to try and get a better champ? Then you fall behind everyone else even more. I don’t think some people realize how important it can be. He has to be at least useable. Smh. For shame kabam. For shame.

    The resources used to get and rank my Sentry didn't hurt me but I get your point. A bad pull at a critical time can be devastating. That's what blows my mind when people defend Sentry or try and shift blame. Sentry is not just a bad champ he's absolutely useless. He doesn't shine in any part of the game. Even if you have a 5* r4 most of the time you would be better off using a 4* r5 if not all the time. Kabam should be embarrassed for missing a great opportunity. All their work developing Sentry has been a detriment to the game.

    It's probably a wise idea to get to know a Champ before rolling for them and Ranking them. That's one of the problems. People generally get anxious to try for them sight-unseen because they want them as fast as possible. However, there's usually a number of sources for information on Champs as soon as they are out, and in some cases before. We can't blame the Champ if we don't look before we leap.

    I can't blame the champ if I spend resources on him before shooting for him, because relative to the vast majority of players of the game I'm essentially an expert. If I spent a hundred thousand shards on Sentry, that's my bad.
    However, this attitude ironically hurts the vast majority of casual players who don't necessarily care about or need the top performing champions and are perfectly willing to shoot for champions based on who they are and what they look like, as long as they are at least reasonable in their performance.

    We're not talking about people who think Elektra and Yellowjacket suck because they aren't Iceman and Blade. And we're not talking about people who think Sentry should be the strongest champion in the Marvel-verse. We're talking about players who would be perfectly fine with Captain Marvel and Storm who got someone significantly less useful in my opinion than every champion in the underdog boss rush. None of these players are likely represented in this thread, but they were impacted by Sentry's apparent lack of purpose in a way that can't be trivially dismissed by arguing they should have known better.
  • Mattikus42Mattikus42 Posts: 33
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    DaMunk wrote: »
    Mattikus42 wrote: »
    If you get a bad 5* champ it can make or break your account. Not everyone is lucky enough to get blade. People use all their resources and dupe a sentry what are they supposed to do? Just not rank him up and save for months again to try and get a better champ? Then you fall behind everyone else even more. I don’t think some people realize how important it can be. He has to be at least useable. Smh. For shame kabam. For shame.

    The resources used to get and rank my Sentry didn't hurt me but I get your point. A bad pull at a critical time can be devastating. That's what blows my mind when people defend Sentry or try and shift blame. Sentry is not just a bad champ he's absolutely useless. He doesn't shine in any part of the game. Even if you have a 5* r4 most of the time you would be better off using a 4* r5 if not all the time. Kabam should be embarrassed for missing a great opportunity. All their work developing Sentry has been a detriment to the game.

    It's probably a wise idea to get to know a Champ before rolling for them and Ranking them. That's one of the problems. People generally get anxious to try for them sight-unseen because they want them as fast as possible. However, there's usually a number of sources for information on Champs as soon as they are out, and in some cases before. We can't blame the Champ if we don't look before we leap.

    I can't blame the champ if I spend resources on him before shooting for him, because relative to the vast majority of players of the game I'm essentially an expert. If I spent a hundred thousand shards on Sentry, that's my bad.
    However, this attitude ironically hurts the vast majority of casual players who don't necessarily care about or need the top performing champions and are perfectly willing to shoot for champions based on who they are and what they look like, as long as they are at least reasonable in their performance.

    We're not talking about people who think Elektra and Yellowjacket suck because they aren't Iceman and Blade. And we're not talking about people who think Sentry should be the strongest champion in the Marvel-verse. We're talking about players who would be perfectly fine with Captain Marvel and Storm who got someone significantly less useful in my opinion than every champion in the underdog boss rush. None of these players are likely represented in this thread, but they were impacted by Sentry's apparent lack of purpose in a way that can't be trivially dismissed by arguing they should have known better.

    Well said man.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 34,810 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    DaMunk wrote: »
    Mattikus42 wrote: »
    If you get a bad 5* champ it can make or break your account. Not everyone is lucky enough to get blade. People use all their resources and dupe a sentry what are they supposed to do? Just not rank him up and save for months again to try and get a better champ? Then you fall behind everyone else even more. I don’t think some people realize how important it can be. He has to be at least useable. Smh. For shame kabam. For shame.

    The resources used to get and rank my Sentry didn't hurt me but I get your point. A bad pull at a critical time can be devastating. That's what blows my mind when people defend Sentry or try and shift blame. Sentry is not just a bad champ he's absolutely useless. He doesn't shine in any part of the game. Even if you have a 5* r4 most of the time you would be better off using a 4* r5 if not all the time. Kabam should be embarrassed for missing a great opportunity. All their work developing Sentry has been a detriment to the game.

    It's probably a wise idea to get to know a Champ before rolling for them and Ranking them. That's one of the problems. People generally get anxious to try for them sight-unseen because they want them as fast as possible. However, there's usually a number of sources for information on Champs as soon as they are out, and in some cases before. We can't blame the Champ if we don't look before we leap.

    I can't blame the champ if I spend resources on him before shooting for him, because relative to the vast majority of players of the game I'm essentially an expert. If I spent a hundred thousand shards on Sentry, that's my bad.
    However, this attitude ironically hurts the vast majority of casual players who don't necessarily care about or need the top performing champions and are perfectly willing to shoot for champions based on who they are and what they look like, as long as they are at least reasonable in their performance.

    We're not talking about people who think Elektra and Yellowjacket suck because they aren't Iceman and Blade. And we're not talking about people who think Sentry should be the strongest champion in the Marvel-verse. We're talking about players who would be perfectly fine with Captain Marvel and Storm who got someone significantly less useful in my opinion than every champion in the underdog boss rush. None of these players are likely represented in this thread, but they were impacted by Sentry's apparent lack of purpose in a way that can't be trivially dismissed by arguing they should have known better.

    To be more specific, I wasn't trying to brush off the feedback or opinions. I was speaking more to the use of Resources without knowledge of the Champ.
  • ImranAzharImranAzhar Posts: 34
    Let's do a challenge. Post a video for anybody who can beat WS using sentry in less than 300 hits.
This discussion has been closed.