Champion Spotlight - Sentry [Updated: Added 5-Star Stats]

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  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 1,704 ★★★
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Scarn3 wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    @Kabam Miike can you please confirm

    So he has a 30% chance to enter the overpowering light mode. Once in that mode all sp1 fired will be unblockable not a chance of unblockable....

    He also has a 30% chance of entering absolute strength which would give him a guarunteed unblockable sp2....

    So a 60% chamce that he ends up being in one of these states.
    Meaning that there is a 60% chance that one of his specials are unblockable.

    The chance only applies to chosing which starenhe gets correct?
    Once in a state buffs a guaranteed????

    I understand he can only be in one state at a time but...
    There are 2 states that give an unblockable special each with a 30% chance of happening.

    Meaning 60% chance he is in a state which has an unblockable attack....

    I read it as he progresses to the next state every 10 hits on the combo meter (guaranteed). Once in that state IF you use the corresponding attack (for example sp1 in overpowering light) he has a 30% chance that it will be unblockable and have bonus damage.

    So most of the damage will be done in steadfast approach. Parry (zero damage taken) and heavy. Repeat until state changes.

    Certain it is every 10hits he changes states
    30% chance of which one it is
    Once in a particular state the buffs always apply

    @Kabam Miike please conform ASAP

    30% chance overpowering light
    30% chance absolute strength
    = 60% chance that it is either one of those.
    Meaning 60% chance that one of his attacks will be unbloclable....

    That's not how probability works, although I think you basically understand what is happening correctly. Assuming you maintain combo, you will be cycling through all four states. On each loop through you have a 30% independent chance of getting unblockable SP1, buffed heavy, and unblockable SP2. That doesn't mean there's a 60% chance to get one of those, because you could get both. You have a 21% chance to get unblockable SP1 but NOT unblockable SP2. You have a 21% chance to get unblockable SP2 but NOT unblockable SP1. You have a 9% chance to get unblockable SP1 AND unblockable SP2 as you enter those states. And you have a 49% chance to get neither unblockable SP1 or unblockable SP2.

    And when I say you can get both, that's one followed by the other. The effects stop when you change state, so you cannot have more than one effect active at the same time. When you change state from Overpowering Light to Steadfast Approach you lose unblockable SP1, even if you don't get the buffed heavy. You just have no special effect at that time.
    If wat you are saying is true i think he will suck
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 1,704 ★★★
    edited January 2018
    My thing is that is says
    “30% chance on entering this state,”
    Meaning that there is a 30% chance he will enter the state.....
    Not
    “30
    “When in this state 30% chamce of (insert ability)”

    Leads me to believe when in the state abilities always trigger
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 13,176 Guardian
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Scarn3 wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    @Kabam Miike can you please confirm

    So he has a 30% chance to enter the overpowering light mode. Once in that mode all sp1 fired will be unblockable not a chance of unblockable....

    He also has a 30% chance of entering absolute strength which would give him a guarunteed unblockable sp2....

    So a 60% chamce that he ends up being in one of these states.
    Meaning that there is a 60% chance that one of his specials are unblockable.

    The chance only applies to chosing which starenhe gets correct?
    Once in a state buffs a guaranteed????

    I understand he can only be in one state at a time but...
    There are 2 states that give an unblockable special each with a 30% chance of happening.

    Meaning 60% chance he is in a state which has an unblockable attack....

    I read it as he progresses to the next state every 10 hits on the combo meter (guaranteed). Once in that state IF you use the corresponding attack (for example sp1 in overpowering light) he has a 30% chance that it will be unblockable and have bonus damage.

    So most of the damage will be done in steadfast approach. Parry (zero damage taken) and heavy. Repeat until state changes.

    Certain it is every 10hits he changes states
    30% chance of which one it is
    Once in a particular state the buffs always apply

    @Kabam Miike please conform ASAP

    30% chance overpowering light
    30% chance absolute strength
    = 60% chance that it is either one of those.
    Meaning 60% chance that one of his attacks will be unbloclable....

    That's not how probability works, although I think you basically understand what is happening correctly. Assuming you maintain combo, you will be cycling through all four states. On each loop through you have a 30% independent chance of getting unblockable SP1, buffed heavy, and unblockable SP2. That doesn't mean there's a 60% chance to get one of those, because you could get both. You have a 21% chance to get unblockable SP1 but NOT unblockable SP2. You have a 21% chance to get unblockable SP2 but NOT unblockable SP1. You have a 9% chance to get unblockable SP1 AND unblockable SP2 as you enter those states. And you have a 49% chance to get neither unblockable SP1 or unblockable SP2.

    And when I say you can get both, that's one followed by the other. The effects stop when you change state, so you cannot have more than one effect active at the same time. When you change state from Overpowering Light to Steadfast Approach you lose unblockable SP1, even if you don't get the buffed heavy. You just have no special effect at that time.
    If wat you are saying is true i think he will suck

    It almost looks to me like whoever designed Sentry looked over at the guy designing Modok and said "mine's going to kill yours."
  • Achilleous_07Achilleous_07 Posts: 22
    It looks like Kabam dropped the ball on this hero as well. First carnage now sentry. I really hope I’m wrong as science need some viable champs that the other classes have.
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 1,704 ★★★
    If it is a 30% chance of triggering amd ability there shoul be a “that” added in.....
    30% chance on entering this state, that
    actually really should be
    30% chamce when in this state

    But if it always triiggers and he chance is to enter the state it should say
    30% chamce to enter this state where,
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 1,704 ★★★
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Will change, to next, 30% chance to enter,
    All kinda contradict each other....
    Will chamge means will be different from how he is....
    To next logically inplies 1,2,3,4... (however may not)
    30% chance means he may not go to this state...

    All kinda contradict each other....
    10 hit combo (random state entered)
    10 hit combo (state reverted, new random state entered)
    While in a state he always has the associated buffs

    Are you ok??
    Perfect....
    How about you?
  • ArgygufdetlopArgygufdetlop Posts: 57
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Will change, to next, 30% chance to enter,
    All kinda contradict each other....
    Will chamge means will be different from how he is....
    To next logically inplies 1,2,3,4... (however may not)
    30% chance means he may not go to this state...

    All kinda contradict each other....
    10 hit combo (random state entered)
    10 hit combo (state reverted, new random state entered)
    While in a state he always has the associated buffs

    Are you ok??
    Perfect....
    How about you?

    Maat seriously stop cluttering this thread with your nonsense! It says 30% on entering the state, X happens. It does NOT say 30% chance “to” enter the state. You clearly always cycle through the states every 10 hits. And “on entering the state” there is 30% chance for X to happen. Not my job to explain English to you but there you go!
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 1,704 ★★★
    If he enters the states one after the other and 30% chamce to trigger will make him suck
    If he is in overpowering light you can probably only fire 1 sp1 (2 if you have great timing, maybe) and at only a 30% chance really.....

    Will enter a state with rng deciding which one and abilities alwasy triggering while in that state would actually make him great.

  • New_Noob168New_Noob168 Posts: 1,451 ★★★★
    they need new writers.
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 1,704 ★★★
    edited January 2018
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Will change, to next, 30% chance to enter,
    All kinda contradict each other....
    Will chamge means will be different from how he is....
    To next logically inplies 1,2,3,4... (however may not)
    30% chance means he may not go to this state...

    All kinda contradict each other....
    10 hit combo (random state entered)
    10 hit combo (state reverted, new random state entered)
    While in a state he always has the associated buffs

    Are you ok??
    Perfect....
    How about you?

    Maat seriously stop cluttering this thread with your nonsense! It says 30% on entering the state, X happens. It does NOT say 30% chance “to” enter the state. You clearly always cycle through the states every 10 hits. And “on entering the state” there is 30% chance for X to happen. Not my job to explain English to you but there you go!

    No nonsense here.....
    it is worded porly....
    There is grammatical problems and words missing regardless of its intended meaning

    You may very well be correct but no need to be a rude agressive twat...
  • ArgygufdetlopArgygufdetlop Posts: 57
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Will change, to next, 30% chance to enter,
    All kinda contradict each other....
    Will chamge means will be different from how he is....
    To next logically inplies 1,2,3,4... (however may not)
    30% chance means he may not go to this state...

    All kinda contradict each other....
    10 hit combo (random state entered)
    10 hit combo (state reverted, new random state entered)
    While in a state he always has the associated buffs

    Are you ok??
    Perfect....
    How about you?

    Maat seriously stop cluttering this thread with your nonsense! It says 30% on entering the state, X happens. It does NOT say 30% chance “to” enter the state. You clearly always cycle through the states every 10 hits. And “on entering the state” there is 30% chance for X to happen. Not my job to explain English to you but there you go!

    No nonsense here.....
    it is worded porly....
    There is grammatical problems and words missing regardless of its intended meaning

    Well we can agree on that.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 13,176 Guardian
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    My thing is that is says
    “30% chance on entering this state,”
    Meaning that there is a 30% chance he will enter the state.....
    Not
    “30
    “When in this state 30% chamce of (insert ability)”

    Leads me to believe when in the state abilities always trigger

    If you're quibbling with the wording, that's actually not correct. Grammatically speaking, "30% chance on entering this State" means "upon entering this state, there is a 30% chance [of something happening]." For the phrase to mean "30% chance he will enter the state" it should read "30% chance to enter this State" or "30% chance of entering this State." "30% chance on entering this State" is grammatically unambiguous.
  • BahamutBahamut Posts: 2,307 ★★★★
    The section where you go over masteries that work well with him is TERRIBLE. The section where you go over weak and strong matchups is TERRIBLE. Why only a chance to change states? Why doesn’t Fury stack? This guy was so hyped and while his abilities don’t look to bad it’s pretty darn disappointing
  • GrubGrub Posts: 153
    edited January 2018
    Carnage 2.0!!!! Long ramp up with minimal pay off. Kabam banking on people spending based on his marvel lore as “most powerful character in marvel universe” exactly what they did with Carnage and his popularity as a top spiderman villian. Skip this RNG fiesta BS and don’t buy crystals on this garbage and hopefully Kabam abandons this garbage for designing characters
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 1,704 ★★★
    Either way i understand where i went wrong now....
    There was a couple of lines that i did not read.... i missed some cus i was in a hurry and workkng at the time....
    The last line that states
    After absolute strength sentry restarts state of mind.....
    clarifies for me that itnis infact a logical progression through the states with a 30% chance of triggerong the ability....
    I apologose for my rambling. I really thought i was correct.
    It appears i mever actually read the whole thing and that is why i was uninformed and incorrect.
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 1,704 ★★★
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    My thing is that is says
    “30% chance on entering this state,”
    Meaning that there is a 30% chance he will enter the state.....
    Not
    “30
    “When in this state 30% chamce of (insert ability)”

    Leads me to believe when in the state abilities always trigger

    If you're quibbling with the wording, that's actually not correct. Grammatically speaking, "30% chance on entering this State" means "upon entering this state, there is a 30% chance [of something happening]." For the phrase to mean "30% chance he will enter the state" it should read "30% chance to enter this State" or "30% chance of entering this State." "30% chance on entering this State" is grammatically unambiguous.
    Yeah ok... the comma is really important.... the wording is terrible so when read in a hurry it is easy to mis read...
    There is so many better way this could have been written
  • ArgygufdetlopArgygufdetlop Posts: 57
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Either way i understand where i went wrong now....
    There was a couple of lines that i did not read.... i missed some cus i was in a hurry and workkng at the time....
    The last line that states
    After absolute strength sentry restarts state of mind.....
    clarifies for me that itnis infact a logical progression through the states with a 30% chance of triggerong the ability....
    I apologose for my rambling. I really thought i was correct.
    It appears i mever actually read the whole thing and that is why i was uninformed and incorrect.

    Damn don’t be too hard on yourself, that’s our job.
    It is legitimately confusing AF. I have a couple questions in this thread myself that I hope get clarified
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 13,176 Guardian
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    If it is a 30% chance of triggering amd ability there shoul be a “that” added in.....
    30% chance on entering this state, that
    actually really should be
    30% chamce when in this state

    Actually, the second one is even worse and not synonymous with the first. Saying "30% chance when in this state" actually implies there's a 30% chance for SP1 to be unblockable every time you fire it while you are in that state. The 30% doesn't occur *when* in the state, but upon entering the state only.

    The first one is actually not grammatically correct. I'm not sure why you believe the word "that" should appear there, but grammatically speaking "that" implies the rest of the phrase defines the object of the previous phrase, which is "this state." But that makes the entire sentence grammatically mean the wrong thing. "This state" refers to the named state mentioned earlier, and the rest of the phrase describes something that sometimes happens in that state, not the description of the state.

    In other words, "30% chance on entering this state that allows SP1 to be unblockable" is proper use of the word "that" and says "this state is the one that specifically allows SP1 to be unblockable." But that's not what the description is trying to say here. Its trying to say that there's a 30% chance when entering this state, the state we already called "Overpowering Light" for this specific thing to happen.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 13,176 Guardian
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    There is so many better way this could have been written

    I don't disagree with that: this is a plague upon all houses in the MMO world.
  • TKalTKal Posts: 534 ★★
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Will change, to next, 30% chance to enter,
    All kinda contradict each other....
    Will chamge means will be different from how he is....
    To next logically inplies 1,2,3,4... (however may not)
    30% chance means he may not go to this state...

    All kinda contradict each other....
    10 hit combo (random state entered)
    10 hit combo (state reverted, new random state entered)
    While in a state he always has the associated buffs

    Are you ok??
    Perfect....
    How about you?

    Maat seriously stop cluttering this thread with your nonsense! It says 30% on entering the state, X happens. It does NOT say 30% chance “to” enter the state. You clearly always cycle through the states every 10 hits. And “on entering the state” there is 30% chance for X to happen. Not my job to explain English to you but there you go!


    They made a mistake in English, in French it clearly says « 30% TO enter this state »
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 13,176 Guardian
    Bahamut wrote: »
    The section where you go over masteries that work well with him is TERRIBLE. The section where you go over weak and strong matchups is TERRIBLE.

    They kind of always are. There is a lot of subjectiveness to that sort of thing, and reasonable people can debate them a lot. But I honestly cannot cut that slack to the person who wrote this one.

    For example, this one literally makes my head hurt:
    Glass Cannon
    Sentry is all about increasing his Attack through his abilities. Glass Cannon is another way to boost Attack, and with his Signature Ability, he has some defenses to back the damage up.

    This is actually the exact *opposite* of the truth. Glass Cannon boosts base attack, which means it is most effective when the champion itself *doesn't* have attack boosts built in. Champion attack boosts dilute the effect of Glass Cannon making it proportionately less effective with a champion like Sentry. For those for whom this isn't mathematically obvious, consider Deep Wounds. Its more effective when the champion has short bleeds than long ones. Similar effect.
  • AcanthusAcanthus Posts: 447 ★★★
    edited January 2018
    That 0.8 extra second of fury for a total of 20.8 though. Juicy
  • Spurgeon14Spurgeon14 Posts: 1,428 ★★★
    I think its funny people saying a champ is trash or will suck before the champ is even out. Lol
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 1,704 ★★★
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Either way i understand where i went wrong now....
    There was a couple of lines that i did not read.... i missed some cus i was in a hurry and workkng at the time....
    The last line that states
    After absolute strength sentry restarts state of mind.....
    clarifies for me that itnis infact a logical progression through the states with a 30% chance of triggerong the ability....
    I apologose for my rambling. I really thought i was correct.
    It appears i mever actually read the whole thing and that is why i was uninformed and incorrect.

    Damn don’t be too hard on yourself, that’s our job.
    It is legitimately confusing AF. I have a couple questions in this thread myself that I hope get clarified

    All good. I just dont like making sich stupid mistakes.
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    If it is a 30% chance of triggering amd ability there shoul be a “that” added in.....
    30% chance on entering this state, that
    actually really should be
    30% chamce when in this state

    Actually, the second one is even worse and not synonymous with the first. Saying "30% chance when in this state" actually implies there's a 30% chance for SP1 to be unblockable every time you fire it while you are in that state. The 30% doesn't occur *when* in the state, but upon entering the state only.

    The first one is actually not grammatically correct. I'm not sure why you believe the word "that" should appear there, but grammatically speaking "that" implies the rest of the phrase defines the object of the previous phrase, which is "this state." But that makes the entire sentence grammatically mean the wrong thing. "This state" refers to the named state mentioned earlier, and the rest of the phrase describes something that sometimes happens in that state, not the description of the state.

    In other words, "30% chance on entering this state that allows SP1 to be unblockable" is proper use of the word "that" and says "this state is the one that specifically allows SP1 to be unblockable." But that's not what the description is trying to say here. Its trying to say that there's a 30% chance when entering this state, the state we already called "Overpowering Light" for this specific thing to happen.

    True.
    So should it then read “Upon entering Overpowering Light there is 30% chance for that Special 1 attacks will be unblockable and have increased damage. The chance remains the same throughout the duration of overpowering light.”
  • Maat1985Maat1985 Posts: 1,704 ★★★
    edited January 2018
    TKal wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Will change, to next, 30% chance to enter,
    All kinda contradict each other....
    Will chamge means will be different from how he is....
    To next logically inplies 1,2,3,4... (however may not)
    30% chance means he may not go to this state...

    All kinda contradict each other....
    10 hit combo (random state entered)
    10 hit combo (state reverted, new random state entered)
    While in a state he always has the associated buffs

    Are you ok??
    Perfect....
    How about you?

    Maat seriously stop cluttering this thread with your nonsense! It says 30% on entering the state, X happens. It does NOT say 30% chance “to” enter the state. You clearly always cycle through the states every 10 hits. And “on entering the state” there is 30% chance for X to happen. Not my job to explain English to you but there you go!


    They made a mistake in English, in French it clearly says « 30% TO enter this state »

    Maybe the mistake is in french? That makes it mean something totally different (wat i was orginally thinking)
  • nIHSEANnIHSEAN Posts: 60
    edited January 2018
    since, the contest is shifting towards 5star and higher champs, It would be nice to see 5star base pi and sig199 pi in upcoming champion spotlights
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 13,176 Guardian
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    Either way i understand where i went wrong now....
    There was a couple of lines that i did not read.... i missed some cus i was in a hurry and workkng at the time....
    The last line that states
    After absolute strength sentry restarts state of mind.....
    clarifies for me that itnis infact a logical progression through the states with a 30% chance of triggerong the ability....
    I apologose for my rambling. I really thought i was correct.
    It appears i mever actually read the whole thing and that is why i was uninformed and incorrect.

    Damn don’t be too hard on yourself, that’s our job.
    It is legitimately confusing AF. I have a couple questions in this thread myself that I hope get clarified

    All good. I just dont like making sich stupid mistakes.
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Maat1985 wrote: »
    If it is a 30% chance of triggering amd ability there shoul be a “that” added in.....
    30% chance on entering this state, that
    actually really should be
    30% chamce when in this state

    Actually, the second one is even worse and not synonymous with the first. Saying "30% chance when in this state" actually implies there's a 30% chance for SP1 to be unblockable every time you fire it while you are in that state. The 30% doesn't occur *when* in the state, but upon entering the state only.

    The first one is actually not grammatically correct. I'm not sure why you believe the word "that" should appear there, but grammatically speaking "that" implies the rest of the phrase defines the object of the previous phrase, which is "this state." But that makes the entire sentence grammatically mean the wrong thing. "This state" refers to the named state mentioned earlier, and the rest of the phrase describes something that sometimes happens in that state, not the description of the state.

    In other words, "30% chance on entering this state that allows SP1 to be unblockable" is proper use of the word "that" and says "this state is the one that specifically allows SP1 to be unblockable." But that's not what the description is trying to say here. Its trying to say that there's a 30% chance when entering this state, the state we already called "Overpowering Light" for this specific thing to happen.

    True.
    So should it then read “Upon entering Overpowering Light there is 30% chance for that Special 1 attacks will be unblockable and have increased damage. The chance remains the same throughout the duration of overpowering light.”

    The first sentence is fine, the second one not so much. The second one I believe misleads people into thinking that for the duration of Overpowering Light, every activation of a SP1 has a 30% chance of being unblockable (and buffed).

    I think the biggest source of confusion for people confused about the description is the notion that Sentry's "states" don't actually do anything. When Sentry is in the Overpowering Light state, that state by itself confers no special benefit. It is the *transition* between states that can *sometimes* generate a benefit, and that's not an obvious concept to everyone.

    The most unambiguous way I can think of to explain how Sentry works is actually to change the descriptions to something that isn't technically true, but correctly encapsulates the process. Instead of four states, imagine there are seven states: Overpowering Light Alpha and Overpowering Light Beta; Steadfast Approach Alpha and Steadfast Approach Beta; etc. There would be only one version of Unyielding Fortitude.

    Now suppose I were to say the following:

    Sentry starts in Unyielding Fortitude. While in Unyielding Fortitude Sentry cannot lose combo meter. After increasing combo by ten, Sentry has a 30% chance to enter Overpowering Light Alpha and a 70% chance to enter Overpowering Light Beta. While in Overpowering Light Alpha Sentry's SP1 are buffed and unblockable. While in Overpowering Light Beta, Sentry gains no benefits.

    While in Overpowering Light Alpha or Beta, after increasing combo by ten Sentry has a 30% chance to enter Steadfast Approach Alpha and a 70% chance to enter Steadfast Approach Beta. While in Steadfast Approach Alpha Sentry's heavy attacks are buffed and Sentry gain perfect block. While in Steadfast Approach Beta Sentry gains no benefits.

    Etc.

    That I think is unambiguous. I also think it would be an opportunity to give Sentry something when he is in one of those "Beta" modes. I think Sentry would have been more attractive if there was a consolation prize: 30% chance to get the "big buff" and 70% chance to get some other buff, maybe a defensive one. Making the description look like the above actually highlights the fact that the designer should have made Sentry have less "boring" periods during his cycle when nothing is happening. To properly understand how Sentry works, you have to accept that most of the time nothing is happening. And maybe that suggests a design weakness.
  • AegonTAegonT Posts: 155
    nIHSEAN wrote: »
    since, the contest is shifting towards 5star and higher champs, It would be nice to see 5star base pi and sig199 pi in upcoming champion spotlights

    Ideally we'd get prestige at unduped, sig 1, sig 20, sig 100 and sig 200. But for reasons I don't understand at all that's too much to ask.
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