Void nerf before release?

I played uncollected difficulty on day one of release. Noticed this insane signature ability which gives him 7300 attack rating when he stacks all his debuffs.

Then, I did a run today and noticed it's decreased to 4400. Still insane attack boost.

Just curious why it changed? No one complained. He can't even stack that many debuffs without killing you from direct damage.

So, what happened here?

Comments

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE

Are you sure the second one is Uncollected?

wookeh

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE wrote: »

Are you sure the second one is Uncollected?

Yeah. I just did it tonight. I recorded everything. I'm not stupid

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE

wookeh wrote: »

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE wrote: »

Are you sure the second one is Uncollected?

Yeah. I just did it tonight. I recorded everything. I'm not stupid

Alright didn't mean anything rude by it just making sure you didn't make a mistake. This is kinda wierd.

wookeh

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE wrote: »

wookeh wrote: »

NOOOOOOOOPEEEEE wrote: »

Are you sure the second one is Uncollected?

Yeah. I just did it tonight. I recorded everything. I'm not stupid

Alright didn't mean anything rude by it just making sure you didn't make a mistake. This is kinda wierd.

Check it out yourself. Then look at youtubers day one videos. You'll see that it was cut by about 45%

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wookeh

zero7 wrote: »

it doesn’t bother me that it was reduced, it bothers me that it was reduced without kabam saying anything about it.

They dropped ice phoenix due to complaints. But this on void is an offensive thing we will never see active in defense. It seemed overpowered before. Still is. But kabam just pulled the numbers in half and figured no one would notice I guess

DaMunk

Hopefully they are giving some of his attack to Sentry.

GroundedWisdom

Isn't it a little early for a Nerf Post? He's not even out yet.

wookeh

DaMunk wrote: »

Hopefully they are giving some of his attack to Sentry.

I know you pulled sentry early. Watched your videos. I'm assuming void will buff him like crazy. So don't give up hope yet.

LeNoirFaineant

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Isn't it a little early for a Nerf Post? He's not even out yet.

Did you read the post? How could it be early for a nerf post if they nerfed him? Not saying that they did but your comment makes no sense.

wookeh

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Isn't it a little early for a Nerf Post? He's not even out yet.

I've been expecting you. I know you can't actually view the uncollected difficulty stats. That's why I screenshot them for you. Read them. Huge change has been made. Now, go back to your trolling alliance doing map 1 of whatever you do, and give actual input after you've experienced this fight and understand.

Or read the screenshots. Or the post I made. Or go derail another thread that has nothing to do with you or your experiences. It's plainly posted in screenshot proof. If you can't read them go minimod the people who aren't smart.

GroundedWisdom

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Isn't it a little early for a Nerf Post? He's not even out yet.

Did you read the post? How could it be early for a nerf post if they nerfed him? Not saying that they did but your comment makes no sense.

First of all, we don't know what changed, if anything, or the reasons. Secondly, if a Champ isn't even released as playable, its not a nerf. Not in the traditional sense. They adjusted last month's Quest. I don't consider adjustments to content as nerfs. All of this is speculation because we don't know of anything was changed. Perhaps we should get more information before spreading panic over nerfs.

TheMageHunter

You really hate science don't you kabam. Void was going to be the one god tier science but no you just had it do it

wookeh

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Isn't it a little early for a Nerf Post? He's not even out yet.

Did you read the post? How could it be early for a nerf post if they nerfed him? Not saying that they did but your comment makes no sense.

First of all, we don't know what changed, if anything, or the reasons. Secondly, if a Champ isn't even released as playable, its not a nerf. Not in the traditional sense. They adjusted last month's Quest. I don't consider adjustments to content as nerfs. All of this is speculation because we don't know of anything was changed. Perhaps we should get more information before spreading panic over nerfs.

Did you look at the screenshots? We DO KNOW what we changed. It's clearly evident. There's no panic. I merely asked why. Calm yourself down

TheMageHunter

If it was a case like ice phoenix they would have just reduced the sig level why nerf the values?

GroundedWisdom

No, we don't know what changed. We haven't had an official comment. We don't know if it was adjusted based on feedback of the difficulty, or just a visual error. We don't know.

wookeh

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

No, we don't know what changed. We haven't had an official comment. We don't know if it was adjusted based on feedback of the difficulty, or just a visual error. We don't know.

We do know. I posted screenshots. Can you not read?

GroundedWisdom

Lol. I read it. What I said is we don't know what that means. It could be a visual error or anything, really. Until we hear from someone who knows, we don't know.

wookeh

Can we get a mod to just ban grounded wisdom from this forum? He is a 4/40 warrior trying to detail every single post for some strange gratification. I'm posting s legitimate extreme change in a character and he's trying to pull his "you don't know anything" despite the screenshots posted.

Kabam you have to realize he's a troll. Just read this post. I know it's against the rules to call a person out. But he's purposefully trying to derail a legitimate question. Isn't he breaking the rules first? He can't even play the difficulty we talk about. Yet he thinks he knows everything. Even when screenshots. Legit screenshots! Prove him wrong. Mods. Just please.

wookeh

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Lol. I read it. What I said is we don't know what that means. It could be a visual error or anything, really. Until we hear from someone who knows, we don't know.

You don't know. You can't even play uncollected difficulty. How's it going "endless wonder" come argue the post when you can actually experience it

Snizzbar

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Isn't it a little early for a Nerf Post? He's not even out yet.

Did you read the post? How could it be early for a nerf post if they nerfed him? Not saying that they did but your comment makes no sense.

First of all, we don't know what changed, if anything, or the reasons. Secondly, if a Champ isn't even released as playable, its not a nerf. Not in the traditional sense. They adjusted last month's Quest. I don't consider adjustments to content as nerfs. All of this is speculation because we don't know of anything was changed. Perhaps we should get more information before spreading panic over nerfs.

First of all, there is no accepted use of the word 'nerf' in a traditional sense other than the adjustments made to a character to weaken them. I have no idea where you came up with this nonsense that a character has to be playable for it to be considered a nerf.
Secondly, no-one gives a toss what you consider to be a nerf. You arent a mod, you don't develop for Kabam, you aren't a content creator on YouTube or any other form of social media.
Lastly, Void's passive ability was lowered in strength. We know EXACTLY what was changed, so in this case, on this particular thread, you are wrong.

GroundedWisdom

Snizzbar wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Isn't it a little early for a Nerf Post? He's not even out yet.

Did you read the post? How could it be early for a nerf post if they nerfed him? Not saying that they did but your comment makes no sense.

First of all, we don't know what changed, if anything, or the reasons. Secondly, if a Champ isn't even released as playable, its not a nerf. Not in the traditional sense. They adjusted last month's Quest. I don't consider adjustments to content as nerfs. All of this is speculation because we don't know of anything was changed. Perhaps we should get more information before spreading panic over nerfs.

First of all, there is no accepted use of the word 'nerf' in a traditional sense other than the adjustments made to a character to weaken them. I have no idea where you came up with this nonsense that a character has to be playable for it to be considered a nerf.
Secondly, no-one gives a toss what you consider to be a nerf. You arent a mod, you don't develop for Kabam, you aren't a content creator on YouTube or any other form of social media.
Lastly, Void's passive ability was lowered in strength. We know EXACTLY what was changed, so in this case, on this particular thread, you are wrong.

Never said I was a Mod. The comment was made that they nerfed Void before release. That's exactly what I was addressing. A statement that is not founded on anything but a screenshot, and nothing official. Whether you call it a nerf or not, no one knows what changed, or if anything. You're right. I don't consider changes to Champs before release actual nerfs. That's not the main point I'm making, and it's semantics. What my main point is, is that we should actually wait for a response before jumping to conclusions.

LeNoirFaineant

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Isn't it a little early for a Nerf Post? He's not even out yet.

Did you read the post? How could it be early for a nerf post if they nerfed him? Not saying that they did but your comment makes no sense.

First of all, we don't know what changed, if anything, or the reasons. Secondly, if a Champ isn't even released as playable, its not a nerf. Not in the traditional sense. They adjusted last month's Quest. I don't consider adjustments to content as nerfs. All of this is speculation because we don't know of anything was changed. Perhaps we should get more information before spreading panic over nerfs.

No, no, a thousand times no. @DNA3000 debunked the idea that a champ has to be released in order to be nerfed in a thread in which you participated. The devs said that they nerfed Carnage prior to his release. The distinction you are making isn't meaningful. And even if it were, who cares? He was at least released into the game even if he isn't yet playable so if he was nerfed it's worth discussing and the fact that he isn't playable isn't relevant. The adjustment to last month's quest isn't analogous. That was an adjustment to the node, not to the champ, and Ice Phoenix will never be a playable champ.

wookeh

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Snizzbar wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Isn't it a little early for a Nerf Post? He's not even out yet.

Did you read the post? How could it be early for a nerf post if they nerfed him? Not saying that they did but your comment makes no sense.

First of all, we don't know what changed, if anything, or the reasons. Secondly, if a Champ isn't even released as playable, its not a nerf. Not in the traditional sense. They adjusted last month's Quest. I don't consider adjustments to content as nerfs. All of this is speculation because we don't know of anything was changed. Perhaps we should get more information before spreading panic over nerfs.

First of all, there is no accepted use of the word 'nerf' in a traditional sense other than the adjustments made to a character to weaken them. I have no idea where you came up with this nonsense that a character has to be playable for it to be considered a nerf.
Secondly, no-one gives a toss what you consider to be a nerf. You arent a mod, you don't develop for Kabam, you aren't a content creator on YouTube or any other form of social media.
Lastly, Void's passive ability was lowered in strength. We know EXACTLY what was changed, so in this case, on this particular thread, you are wrong.

Never said I was a Mod. The comment was made that they nerfed Void before release. That's exactly what I was addressing. A statement that is not founded on anything but a screenshot, and nothing official. Whether you call it a nerf or not, no one knows what changed, or if anything. You're right. I don't consider changes to Champs before release actual nerfs. That's not the main point I'm making, and it's semantics. What my main point is, is that we should actually wait for a response before jumping to conclusions.

It was not founded by anything but a screenshot? Do you play the game? The screenshot is 100% evident proof of a change. 100% straight up evidence. You need to drink the kabam kool-aid on anther thread because you're just making yourself sound stupid. There are screenshot proofs of the nerf. Look at them. Then go to your hole and shut up.

X_Scott

He was definitely harder day one. I think the debuffs were killing me super fast (No suicides). That could be why it changed, to make it more player friendly. It's not like they were gonna hand us that kind of awesomeness lol

GroundedWisdom

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Isn't it a little early for a Nerf Post? He's not even out yet.

Did you read the post? How could it be early for a nerf post if they nerfed him? Not saying that they did but your comment makes no sense.

First of all, we don't know what changed, if anything, or the reasons. Secondly, if a Champ isn't even released as playable, its not a nerf. Not in the traditional sense. They adjusted last month's Quest. I don't consider adjustments to content as nerfs. All of this is speculation because we don't know of anything was changed. Perhaps we should get more information before spreading panic over nerfs.

No, no, a thousand times no. @DNA3000 debunked the idea that a champ has to be released in order to be nerfed in a thread in which you participated. The devs said that they nerfed Carnage prior to his release. The distinction you are making isn't meaningful. And even if it were, who cares? He was at least released into the game even if he isn't yet playable so if he was nerfed it's worth discussing and the fact that he isn't playable isn't relevant. The adjustment to last month's quest isn't analogous. That was an adjustment to the node, not to the champ.

You're still focusing on the word nerf and not what my point was. I'm not starting a debate on the word nerf. We've gone there. I have my own interpretation and that is not necessary to debate. What you're avoiding is the point that we don't know what was changed, if anything at all. You can defocus on the wording if you want, but I'm not taking the Thread off-topic, so that's a trip you'll make alone.

danielmath

People complaining that a champ that hasn't been released yet has been nerfed is awesome - some people are so dumb it's kinda sad

LeNoirFaineant

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Isn't it a little early for a Nerf Post? He's not even out yet.

Did you read the post? How could it be early for a nerf post if they nerfed him? Not saying that they did but your comment makes no sense.

First of all, we don't know what changed, if anything, or the reasons. Secondly, if a Champ isn't even released as playable, its not a nerf. Not in the traditional sense. They adjusted last month's Quest. I don't consider adjustments to content as nerfs. All of this is speculation because we don't know of anything was changed. Perhaps we should get more information before spreading panic over nerfs.

No, no, a thousand times no. @DNA3000 debunked the idea that a champ has to be released in order to be nerfed in a thread in which you participated. The devs said that they nerfed Carnage prior to his release. The distinction you are making isn't meaningful. And even if it were, who cares? He was at least released into the game even if he isn't yet playable so if he was nerfed it's worth discussing and the fact that he isn't playable isn't relevant. The adjustment to last month's quest isn't analogous. That was an adjustment to the node, not to the champ.

You're still focusing on the word nerf and not what my point was. I'm not starting a debate on the word nerf. We've gone there. I have my own interpretation and that is not necessary to debate. What you're avoiding is the point that we don't know what was changed, if anything at all. You can defocus on the wording if you want, but I'm not taking the Thread off-topic, so that's a trip you'll make alone.

Well, a very specific change has been demonstrated, so how do we not know what was changed? As to your comment that we should wait for a statement before we "jump to conclusions" very often the official statement comes as a response to heads up posts like this. So what exactly is your point? What I can't understand is why you feel the need to jump in and defend Kabam before they respond. The post raises a concern based on evidence and, if correct, people are concerned that a change was made with no statement by Kabam, but no one is freaking out. The ball is in Kabam's court. Why not wait to see what Kabam has to say before jumping in to defend them?

wookeh

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Isn't it a little early for a Nerf Post? He's not even out yet.

Did you read the post? How could it be early for a nerf post if they nerfed him? Not saying that they did but your comment makes no sense.

First of all, we don't know what changed, if anything, or the reasons. Secondly, if a Champ isn't even released as playable, its not a nerf. Not in the traditional sense. They adjusted last month's Quest. I don't consider adjustments to content as nerfs. All of this is speculation because we don't know of anything was changed. Perhaps we should get more information before spreading panic over nerfs.

No, no, a thousand times no. @DNA3000 debunked the idea that a champ has to be released in order to be nerfed in a thread in which you participated. The devs said that they nerfed Carnage prior to his release. The distinction you are making isn't meaningful. And even if it were, who cares? He was at least released into the game even if he isn't yet playable so if he was nerfed it's worth discussing and the fact that he isn't playable isn't relevant. The adjustment to last month's quest isn't analogous. That was an adjustment to the node, not to the champ.

You're still focusing on the word nerf and not what my point was. I'm not starting a debate on the word nerf. We've gone there. I have my own interpretation and that is not necessary to debate. What you're avoiding is the point that we don't know what was changed, if anything at all. You can defocus on the wording if you want, but I'm not taking the Thread off-topic, so that's a trip you'll make alone.

There are screenshots proving his nerf. You can't possibly be that stupid. We do know what was changed. It's in the screenshots of the champ. You are sucking the kabam milk maker so hard that you can't even read.

danielmath

wookeh wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

LeNoirFaineant wrote: »

GroundedWisdom wrote: »

Isn't it a little early for a Nerf Post? He's not even out yet.

Did you read the post? How could it be early for a nerf post if they nerfed him? Not saying that they did but your comment makes no sense.

First of all, we don't know what changed, if anything, or the reasons. Secondly, if a Champ isn't even released as playable, its not a nerf. Not in the traditional sense. They adjusted last month's Quest. I don't consider adjustments to content as nerfs. All of this is speculation because we don't know of anything was changed. Perhaps we should get more information before spreading panic over nerfs.

No, no, a thousand times no. @DNA3000 debunked the idea that a champ has to be released in order to be nerfed in a thread in which you participated. The devs said that they nerfed Carnage prior to his release. The distinction you are making isn't meaningful. And even if it were, who cares? He was at least released into the game even if he isn't yet playable so if he was nerfed it's worth discussing and the fact that he isn't playable isn't relevant. The adjustment to last month's quest isn't analogous. That was an adjustment to the node, not to the champ.

You're still focusing on the word nerf and not what my point was. I'm not starting a debate on the word nerf. We've gone there. I have my own interpretation and that is not necessary to debate. What you're avoiding is the point that we don't know what was changed, if anything at all. You can defocus on the wording if you want, but I'm not taking the Thread off-topic, so that's a trip you'll make alone.

There are screenshots proving his nerf. You can't possibly be that stupid. We do know what was changed. It's in the screenshots of the champ. You are sucking the kabam milk maker so hard that you can't even read.

Dude you're saying that a champ who hasn't been released yet was nerfed and you're calling someone else stupid? look in the mirror first