Quake Stealth Nerf, why?

Is no one going to mention the stealth nerf that happened to Quake with the recent big update? It seems that Willpower is now triggered by Concussions. It's taking me close to 3 minutes now to take on minibosses with her if they have the Willpower mastery unlocked (forced to take more unnecessary block damage) and sometimes even resulting in a time out. She's massively gimped in AW attack now because of this.

This is worse than before she got fixed for her concussions to deal proper damage. I feel bad for all the players that rank 5 her as a 5 star.

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BitterSteel

Well isn’t concussion a debuff? And willpower is triggered by debuffs...

KhanMedina

BitterSteel wrote: »

Well isn’t concussion a debuff? And willpower is triggered by debuffs...

But concussion is suppposed to stop abilities from triggering?

BitterSteel

KhanMedina wrote: »

BitterSteel wrote: »

Well isn’t concussion a debuff? And willpower is triggered by debuffs...

But concussion is suppposed to stop abilities from triggering?

I don’t think willpower counts as an ability, concussion affects different masteries differently. For example, it stops parry because parry applies a stun to the opponent. But willpower is a mastery that applies an effect directly to the champion, so it isn’t affected by ability accuracy.

Just think about greater strength for example. Concussion doesn’t affect whether this mastery still applies it’s attack bonus. Concussion doesn’t affect liquid courage and whether it adds its attack bonus. Concussion doesn’t affect whether dexterity mastery still lets you evade projectiles.

I think kabam have just decided to change it or maybe it was a bug that concussion didn’t trigger willpower.

TBJ1118

KhanMedina wrote: »

BitterSteel wrote: »

Well isn’t concussion a debuff? And willpower is triggered by debuffs...

But concussion is suppposed to stop abilities from triggering?

But masteries are not abilities, at least not willpower

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Before the update, she applied a invisible concussion that was not considered a debuff.
After her update she applies a concussion debuff that lasts while she is charging her heavy.

I believe it should be a passive thing and not a debuff

DoctorofEvil

If you spent all those units to maximize willpower you would hope it would apply to concussion. IF you spent all those resources to maximize Quake you would hope it would not apply to concussion.....

Demonzfyre

Masteries can still be affected or nullified in a sense. For example- Heal block will stop willpower. In the same instance, concussion causes damage so it activates Willpower. Willpower is a passive effect so can't be nullified or stopped unless heal block is activated. So Quake isn't nerfed silently or anything like that. most likely not something you noticed before.

LoPresti

Demonzfyre wrote: »

Masteries can still be affected or nullified in a sense. For example- Heal block will stop willpower. In the same instance, concussion causes damage so it activates Willpower. Willpower is a passive effect so can't be nullified or stopped unless heal block is activated. So Quake isn't nerfed silently or anything like that. most likely not something you noticed before.

It's new since the latest patch, because before this patch it didn't take me 3 minutes to kill a miniboss when playing Quake perfectly.

Deadbyrd9

First, why are you using quake on a miniboss? Was it mephisto? She’s not a great bosskiller

BitterSteel

Deadbyrd9 wrote: »

First, why are you using quake on a miniboss? Was it mephisto? She’s not a great bosskiller

I don’t think that’s the issue here

Demonzfyre

LoPresti wrote: »

Demonzfyre wrote: »

Masteries can still be affected or nullified in a sense. For example- Heal block will stop willpower. In the same instance, concussion causes damage so it activates Willpower. Willpower is a passive effect so can't be nullified or stopped unless heal block is activated. So Quake isn't nerfed silently or anything like that. most likely not something you noticed before.

It's new since the latest patch, because before this patch it didn't take me 3 minutes to kill a miniboss when playing Quake perfectly.

It was probably set to how it was supposed to be since concussion was broke to begin with.

LoPresti

Demonzfyre wrote: »

LoPresti wrote: »

Demonzfyre wrote: »

Masteries can still be affected or nullified in a sense. For example- Heal block will stop willpower. In the same instance, concussion causes damage so it activates Willpower. Willpower is a passive effect so can't be nullified or stopped unless heal block is activated. So Quake isn't nerfed silently or anything like that. most likely not something you noticed before.

It's new since the latest patch, because before this patch it didn't take me 3 minutes to kill a miniboss when playing Quake perfectly.

It was probably set to how it was supposed to be since concussion was broke to begin with.

hmmmmmmmmm....... That might also be the problem, maybe it's not the willpower then. So concussion damage is just broken again

sigh

Deadbyrd9 wrote: »

First, why are you using quake on a miniboss? Was it mephisto? She’s not a great bosskiller

She was a great bosskiller before this patch. Topleft and bottomright miniboss are insanely easy with her, doesn't matter who's up there. Usually Dormammu or whatever with power gain + MD, who will cause problems for most champs except Quake. But now she's also useless there. I used to be able to bring that boss down in about 4-5 cycles. Now it takes at least 15.

Demonzfyre

Concussion damage is not broken. It's working as it was originally intended. Did you not read the discussion about it?

chev327fox

I don't know about any of this but I have her as a rank 4 4* and I have exiled her to mostly doing War Defense (she is a great defender IMO). She take a lot of skill and consistency to play right and sometimes it does not matter if you play perfectly because you get lazy or slowed down AI... or you get the "whiff" bug and it makes it impossible to play her correctly (was tired of these things happening in some Quake fights so I stopped using her as much).

LoPresti

Demonzfyre wrote: »

Concussion damage is not broken. It's working as it was originally intended. Did you not read the discussion about it?

It was working after the fix in December, but since the last patch it's not working properly anymore.

GbSarkar

As far as I know, concussion was not supposed to (and never has) stopped wp.
Regarding Quake: originally she applied an invisible concussion debuff on the opponent and that's how she worked for more than 1 year. Then when they finally fixed her aftershock damage, they also made concussion show up as a debuff icon which did not trigger willpower. Then, sometime later they changed her heavy attack concussion to count as a debuff which triggers willpower and nullifies a lot of her damage if opponent has wp
Can someone check if it acts as a "true" active debuff i.e. if it activates on the debuff immune rhino in RttL?

Batty_Numppo

First of all, I use Quake all the time against minis. She’s great, and her concussion ability has been a debuff that triggers willpower for awhile. Secondly, it shouldn’t make that much of a difference - WP heals based on base health, not noded health. If WP in war is giving you problems, you’re doing something wrong.

CoatHang3r

Just wait till he finds out AA is immune to concussion now.

Eb0ny-O-M4w

CoatHang3r wrote: »

Just wait till he finds out AA is immune to concussion now.

Even with that immunity he is still broken since he was released. He is only immune to concussion and not overall ability accuracy modifications

CoatHang3r

will-o-wisp wrote: »

CoatHang3r wrote: »

Just wait till he finds out AA is immune to concussion now.

Even with that immunity he is still broken since he was released. He is only immune to concussion and not overall ability accuracy modifications

We’re off topic now, but I’ve yet to see any evidence of this claim. Got any?

Vinitlalka1988

LoPresti wrote: »

Is no one going to mention the stealth nerf that happened to Quake with the recent big update? It seems that Willpower is now triggered by Concussions. It's taking me close to 3 minutes now to take on minibosses with her if they have the Willpower mastery unlocked (forced to take more unnecessary block damage) and sometimes even resulting in a time out. She's massively gimped in AW attack now because of this.

This is worse than before she got fixed for her concussions to deal proper damage. I feel bad for all the players that rank 5 her as a 5 star.

There's a 5 star R5 Quake??.......

DL864

First this is not a nerf. Second wp giving you that much trouble in aw? It’s not like this is the old wp where it was based off the modified health or even when it use to stack. Third maybe just maybe if you didn’t try and charge a heavy and run the whole fight and maybe just actually fight you might just do Mich better just saying ether way this is no nerf. Her ability’s were not changed nor were her stats

GbSarkar

Against a debuff immune champ, quake dosen't put a concussion on her opponent which means it does count as a debuff (but IMMUNE doesn't pop up so maybe it isn't a debuff after all?)

Even without the concussion debuff on enemy, she can still evade so the effects of the concussion debuff are there without the debuff itself present

The confusing part is that IMMUNE callout does happen suddenly in the middle of the fight and a few times after that while beginning to charge her heavy
Note: First "immune" im the image is due to parry and the second one due to charging her heavy

So, what exactly is Quake's heavy charging concussion? Is it a debuff? Is it not a debuff? Or do the character designers like quantum mechanics so it's both a debuff and not a debuff?

GbSarkar

GbSarkar wrote: »

Against a debuff immune champ, quake dosen't put a concussion on her opponent which means it does count as a debuff (but IMMUNE doesn't pop up so maybe it isn't a debuff after all?)

Even without the concussion debuff on enemy, she can still evade so the effects of the concussion debuff are there without the debuff itself present

The confusing part is that IMMUNE callout does happen suddenly in the middle of the fight and a few times after that while beginning to charge her heavy
Note: First "immune" im the image is due to parry and the second one due to charging her heavy

So, what exactly is Quake's heavy charging concussion? Is it a debuff? Is it not a debuff? Or do the character designers like quantum mechanics so it's both a debuff and not a debuff?

Since quake seems to function almost the same without the concussion icon on the opponent, my question is whether that icon has any function other than serving as a visual aid (and triggering wp) while charging her heavy and keep her ability description correct:
"While Heavy Attack Charging
•Inflicts Concussion, reducing..."

One way to find out if she performs exactly the same without her concussion "debuff" is seeing if she can stop a debuff immune Mephisto/Ultron's regen while charging her heavy but I guess no one can verify that

nIHSEAN

Even worse is her fight against killmonger. every time u charge heavy he gets 15% power instantly. So horrible.

RIP quake 💀