Black Widow 3% Evade? Cool Story Bro

DTMelodicMetal · 2018-08-28T23:48:37+00:00

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DTMelodicMetal

https://youtu.be/XScv3vGKWXw

3% evade chance working as intended

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CapWW2

DTMelodicMetal wrote: »

https://youtu.be/XScv3vGKWXw

3% evade chance working as intended

Lmao wait until you play the 200,000 PI Black widow in LOL. She evades a ton. Like og spidy or Nc 😂

DTMelodicMetal

CapWW2 wrote: »

Lmao wait until you play the 200,000 PI Black widow in LOL. She evades a ton. Like og spidy or Nc 😂

Yep she's much worse in LOL. I still chose to fight her 3 times, Venompool was much worse. At least LOL Black Widow doesn't nullify parry.

CapWW2

DTMelodicMetal wrote: »

CapWW2 wrote: »

Lmao wait until you play the 200,000 PI Black widow in LOL. She evades a ton. Like og spidy or Nc 😂

Yep she's much worse in LOL. I still chose to fight her 3 times, Venompool was much worse. At least LOL Black Widow doesn't nullify parry.

Agreed. I had to force heavy attacks agaisnt her. Insanity!!!

Hammerbro_64

I’m not even in LOL but I know EX champs have a higher chance to evade. All champs have a chance to evade in LOL

DTMelodicMetal

Hammerbro_64 wrote: »

I’m not even in LOL but I know EX champs have a higher chance to evade. All champs have a chance to evade in LOL

Yes that's why we said BW is worse there. 10% chance to evade all attacks.

Kabam Miike

Hey OP,

This looks normal to me, unless I'm missing something. 3% Chance to Evade per hit does not mean she will only evade 3 out of 100 attacks, or even a guarantee that she would evade 1 in 1000. This is not how probability works. With a 3% chance per attack, there's a slim chance that you could throw 100 attacks, and she could evade each and every one of them.

It's best not to treat Black Widow like a Champion that can't evade. This is something I see come up a lot, but treat her the same way you treat Spider-Man, or Nightcrawler. Champions that can suppress Ability Accuracy, or negate Evasion (Ice-Man!) are great choices. I know that this isn't always possible in Dungeons, however, as you have your team of 3 and can't spy ahead.

Badrose

No, 3% means a very, VERY RARE chance. The truth is lately Black Widow is evading like spiderman in every part of the contest. In that video she's not even evading so much.

dparm

It's way worse with Ultron, especially in harder game modes or in Alliance War. There are times when he will evade several attacks in a row. Explain to me how that is even possible if he evades every 7 seconds.

DNA3000

Badrose wrote: »

No, 3% means a very, VERY RARE chance. The truth is lately Black Widow is evading like spiderman in every part of the contest. In that video she's not even evading so much.

No, that's not what it means. 3% chance means, on average, about one evade every 33 attacks. In the video posted, BW evaded apparently three times in about 33 attacks. That's unlucky, but not ridiculously so.

DNA3000

dparm wrote: »

It's way worse with Ultron, especially in harder game modes or in Alliance War. There are times when he will evade several attacks in a row. Explain to me how that is even possible if he evades every 7 seconds.

It has been discussed in the past, but it seems Ultron doesn't evade every seven seconds literally, because if you think about it that doesn't really work in a game: if you aren't attacking at that precise instant Ultron can't evade anything. Instead, what seems to happen under the hood is that every seven seconds Ultron gets an invisible passive evade buff that lasts about a second or so. During that window he is capable of evading any attack. So if you attack Ultron in rapid succession at approximately the moment he triggers his "every seven second" evade, he can evade a couple times in a row from that one evade trigger.

Captain_Kandice

DNA3000 wrote: »

dparm wrote: »

It's way worse with Ultron, especially in harder game modes or in Alliance War. There are times when he will evade several attacks in a row. Explain to me how that is even possible if he evades every 7 seconds.

It has been discussed in the past, but it seems Ultron doesn't evade every seven seconds literally, because if you think about it that doesn't really work in a game: if you aren't attacking at that precise instant Ultron can't evade anything. Instead, what seems to happen under the hood is that every seven seconds Ultron gets an invisible passive evade buff that lasts about a second or so. During that window he is capable of evading any attack. So if you attack Ultron in rapid succession at approximately the moment he triggers his "every seven second" evade, he can evade a couple times in a row from that one evade trigger.

I know Kabam has bigger fish to fry and I know this post is supposed to be about BW, but it might be nice if Kabam could add a visible timer for Ultron’s evade. So he evades an attack and the timer starts. Once 7 seconds passes the timer disappears again until he evades an attack. Sorta like Masochism and Buffet nodes in AW etc have timers.

DTMelodicMetal

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey OP,

This looks normal to me, unless I'm missing something. 3% Chance to Evade per hit does not mean she will only evade 3 out of 100 attacks, or even a guarantee that she would evade 1 in 1000. This is not how probability works. With a 3% chance per attack, there's a slim chance that you could throw 100 attacks, and she could evade each and every one of them.

It's best not to treat Black Widow like a Champion that can't evade. This is something I see come up a lot, but treat her the same way you treat Spider-Man, or Nightcrawler. Champions that can suppress Ability Accuracy, or negate Evasion (Ice-Man!) are great choices. I know that this isn't always possible in Dungeons, however, as you have your team of 3 and can't spy ahead.

That clears things up. Probability can be hard to understand, studying for that and permutations for the GRE was worse than going to the dentist.

CapWW2

Lmao like Spark evades 0 hits when i use him in offense. Fighting agaisnt the AI he evades like a mini NC

Badrose

DNA3000 wrote: »

Badrose wrote: »

No, 3% means a very, VERY RARE chance. The truth is lately Black Widow is evading like spiderman in every part of the contest. In that video she's not even evading so much.

No, that's not what it means. 3% chance means, on average, about one evade every 33 attacks. In the video posted, BW evaded apparently three times in about 33 attacks. That's unlucky, but not ridiculously so.

So what, that's exaclty what I've said. I was referring to Mike post who said that " With a 3% chance per attack, there's a slim chance that you could throw 100 attacks, and she could evade each and every one of them."

PolarisCV

Also worth mentioning that 12 of those 33 hits came while she was stunned. So evaded 3 times out of 21 hits (including multi hit specials). Roughly 14%

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RagamugginGunner

Remember when Spidy was evading when he wasn't supposed to and it took a full sig BW to prove to Kabam that he was actually bugged? Good times.

winterthur

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey OP,

This looks normal to me, unless I'm missing something. 3% Chance to Evade per hit does not mean she will only evade 3 out of 100 attacks, or even a guarantee that she would evade 1 in 1000. This is not how probability works. With a 3% chance per attack, there's a slim chance that you could throw 100 attacks, and she could evade each and every one of them.

If I am not mistaken, it 4% to roll a 4* champ from PHC. Technically I can open 100 PHCs and every champ is a 4* ?

10or_Strong

@Kabam Miike is correct in his assertion. It is a very slim chance, but remember that the 3% chance to evade is applied anew to EVERY ATTACK. So, IN THEORY, you could see 100 attacks with each evaded. OP's video, as someone else pointed out, is just an example of being unlucky with those odds. We see the same kind of dispersion of luck with crystals. Take the Goldpool event, when you had a slim chance of opening Goldpool from the golden crystals. Some people came onto the forum to share that they opened hundreds of crystals without a single Goldpool, while others opened 10 and duped him. It's the same principle here.

DrBruceWayne

The game seems to use independent events of probability rather than dependent events

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Grimmbanana

Kabam Miike wrote: »

Hey OP,

This looks normal to me, unless I'm missing something. 3% Chance to Evade per hit does not mean she will only evade 3 out of 100 attacks, or even a guarantee that she would evade 1 in 1000. This is not how probability works. With a 3% chance per attack, there's a slim chance that you could throw 100 attacks, and she could evade each and every one of them.

It's best not to treat Black Widow like a Champion that can't evade. This is something I see come up a lot, but treat her the same way you treat Spider-Man, or Nightcrawler. Champions that can suppress Ability Accuracy, or negate Evasion (Ice-Man!) are great choices. I know that this isn't always possible in Dungeons, however, as you have your team of 3 and can't spy ahead.

of course it would lol

BitterSteel

Anyone who says this situation is impossible really doesn’t understand statistics

BitterSteel

DNA3000 wrote: »

dparm wrote: »

It's way worse with Ultron, especially in harder game modes or in Alliance War. There are times when he will evade several attacks in a row. Explain to me how that is even possible if he evades every 7 seconds.

It has been discussed in the past, but it seems Ultron doesn't evade every seven seconds literally, because if you think about it that doesn't really work in a game: if you aren't attacking at that precise instant Ultron can't evade anything. Instead, what seems to happen under the hood is that every seven seconds Ultron gets an invisible passive evade buff that lasts about a second or so. During that window he is capable of evading any attack. So if you attack Ultron in rapid succession at approximately the moment he triggers his "every seven second" evade, he can evade a couple times in a row from that one evade trigger.

Yep, for example if you use Drax his double medium can trigger 2 evades from ultron since the attacks both land within this window

Grimmbanana

BitterSteel wrote: »

DNA3000 wrote: »

dparm wrote: »

It's way worse with Ultron, especially in harder game modes or in Alliance War. There are times when he will evade several attacks in a row. Explain to me how that is even possible if he evades every 7 seconds.

It has been discussed in the past, but it seems Ultron doesn't evade every seven seconds literally, because if you think about it that doesn't really work in a game: if you aren't attacking at that precise instant Ultron can't evade anything. Instead, what seems to happen under the hood is that every seven seconds Ultron gets an invisible passive evade buff that lasts about a second or so. During that window he is capable of evading any attack. So if you attack Ultron in rapid succession at approximately the moment he triggers his "every seven second" evade, he can evade a couple times in a row from that one evade trigger.

Yep, for example if you use Drax his double medium can trigger 2 evades from ultron since the attacks both land within this window

you hit drax he gets mad and he has fury and destroyssssssssss

CFree

The_Unknown wrote: »

The game seems to use independent events of probability rather than dependent events

That’s because they are independent events. Right?

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Voltolos

Verzz wrote: »

BitterSteel wrote: »

Anyone who says this situation is impossible really doesn’t understand statistics

Do you mean BW evading 100 attacks in a row? My quick math says that it is about a 1 out of 1.94*10^153 so I guess if that is possible for you then I salute your optimism.

No he means evading 3 out of 21 attacks

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BitterSteel

Verzz wrote: »

BitterSteel wrote: »

Anyone who says this situation is impossible really doesn’t understand statistics

Do you mean BW evading 100 attacks in a row? My quick math says that it is about a 1 out of 1.94*10^153 so I guess if that is possible for you then I salute your optimism.

That wasn’t what I was talking about, but yes it applies too. It’s possible for a 3% event to occur 100 times. It’s possible for 1000 times. It’s possible that a 3% event can occur infinitely.

The word you’re looking for is improbable. Not impossible.