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Gifting event - Right or Wrong
TJ82
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Would like to hear what this forum thinks about the recent Gifting event. Was it right or wrong to bring this event, when Kabam did removed Gifting badge earlier in 2019.
It has surely opened a can-of worms with so many accusation of frauds and unethical actions by few alliances. No need to take names here, most of all have read about it.
For me, it was baffling to see Kabam bringing this event as it kills the sole purpose of removing gifting badge.
It has surely opened a can-of worms with so many accusation of frauds and unethical actions by few alliances. No need to take names here, most of all have read about it.
For me, it was baffling to see Kabam bringing this event as it kills the sole purpose of removing gifting badge.
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If they feel defrauded by a shady system and quit, then bye bye f2p model.
Although maybe that would be a good thing?
This is not to say that everyone in the lists bought shady units.
I know personally of scams using “currency manipulation” in other games. These kind of scams exist. In one game, I was in the top alliance. I was told of a Russian Player that would charge 50% of the funds to acquire a bundle (ie $50 instead of $100). I was told that the price in Ruples to USD exchanged to a point that the player would be able to buy the units. However, you needed a secondary verification of a Facebook account in order to monitor when they logged on your account and so they didn’t hijack your account.
I immediately questioned the process. It was obvious that the person was not trustworthy, as I would have to jump through hoops to make sure that they didn’t steal my account. I never used the “service”, but I learned of the dark side of mobile gaming. It would only stand to reason that similar tactics are employed on MCOC.
Then you have bots that farm units/online currency and those accounts are sold at a fraction of the price. Bots are against TOS.
What you are saying is because exploits exist people shouldn’t participate in an event. You can equally say that if bots exist in the arena, people shouldn’t grind for a champion. Have you ever spent 3 Days personally grinding an event? I have. I spent several days to grind champs over the past 4.5 years.
Now what of those that grinned for a featured champ only to come up short due to a person that used a bot? Should they just not try and grind. What of those individuals that spent on the event not expecting to be in the #1 in the solo gifting awards? What if they wanted to be in the top 300 and might have been knocked out by 10-15 people that might of used shady units?
I am not accusing any single person, but it is naive to think that these instances do not happen. While Kabam does make money on these events, these events will bring out those that will use them. It is a ethical matter of the funds generated. Honest players having to compete against those that will use services is not ethical. It isn’t ethical for the fair sportsmanship in the game, nor the grandma attached to a credit card that was used purchase units (which scammers can just “hire” an account using a stolen Credit Card on these gifting events).
Kabam is hurt when the Credit Card holder disputes the funds and the company charges back the funds. So, it is not an ideal scenario for any one. Events that pit honest and dishonest in spending should not exist (period). Kabam has little control in this, as they cannot 100% stop credit card fraud, but having events like this will incentivize those that will use these methods.
It would be extremely silly to think that every unit purchased during the gifting event was 100% legit and honest. People have a right to be angry, but we have to be realistic in our expectations from Kabam. We can only look forward to future events and hope Kabam will stick to events that promote as much fairness as possible and through as much ethical means as possible.
1) is rotating players in to gift units in violation of the rules:
no
2) is there evidence that the people rotated in were using fraudulent CC's?
not by anyone in the community, only Kabam knows this
3) Even if kabam determined fraudulent CCs were used is there any evidence that MMX knew about that part of that?
This last part is key If you cannot prove that MMX knew about any fraud, and their method was within the rules it is hard to take their rewards away, if they can prove it they should strip the rewards and maybe even ban them, but that will be a tough road.
If what they did was morally right though I would have to pose a question, if you had 200k to waste on a game, but your alliance could not send you 200k of gifts back to you, how would you go about the event? I dont know about you but I would use an alt that can gift during the event put them in the alliance and gift my main the GGCs so my main could get them.
NO
Why are you so defensive of MMX? That is odd. I even stated that:
"To think that every single person at the top of these lists spent 100% on the units acquired is silly.
This is not to say that everyone in the lists bought shady units."
Whether you want hardcore evidence or not, it happens. My point is that no matter whom is the person/alliance, it happens and that events like this. I don't need evidence to have assumptions that these types of issue happen. I only need evidence if I am seeking to levy a punishment, which I have not requested nor inferred my good sir/ma'am.
I am only pointing out that these types of events will generate this type of activity and thus should not be utilized by Kabam.
As for MMX, I hope they didn't use fraudulent units from CC fraud. However, it wouldn't surprise me if they were (even it was unknown to them). THey may have paid a service to simply login and gift. They may not know the validity of those units. However, it is events like this that will destroy the spirit of the community and cause further degradation on the player base's trust of the top tier teams and Kabam.
It is sad, but the court of public opinion is always one that will be hard to fight. And unfortunately, you do not need hardcore evidence to sway that opinion. I can say that in my personal experience, it has happened in other games and most likely happened in this event. Even if it wasn't MMX, it most likely happened with a team that came in the top 30. Events like this should not exist.
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Like I said the problem is not if fraudulent CCs were used but if it can be shown that they knew they were being used. without being able to prove intent it is hard to punish someone. you are correct about the count of public opinion, it is a terrible thing.
MMXIV - 9 Players
ASGRD - 13 Players (1st & 3rd)
NY718 - 12 Players
Results
MMXIV - 1st
ASGRD - 2nd
NY718 - 4th
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark
"The problem is all anyone has on all sides is assumptions with the exception of if what MMX did was on its face a violation of the rules, which in short so you need to have a little flow chart."
It is in the first sentence, and then you give points that they didn't violate any "rules" under the assumption that all accounts that they brought on to spend had legitimate units. There is far more reasonable suspension of low level accounts that will NEVER receive rewards for the event jumping in an gifting several thousands/tens of thousands of units. Not to mention that not many MMX were in the top 200 of the solo event. When you look at the numbers put up to acquire first, you know that something that was not 100 kosher was being done.
But yet again, I didn't directly bring up MMX, you did. And to think everything was done 100% legitimately is foolish at best. There is more reason to suspect the activity than there is to think that each member had 4-5 F2P accounts that they grinded arena all year for an event we/they didn't know about until before the event was announced.
However, that is for Kabam to research and figure out and if suspicions are proven factual, for Kabam to punish. However, Kabam should be 100% transparent with any investigation and what happened after they come down with a punishment based on said facts. If anything, it is needed to improve the trust of the community.
The sheer amount of manual grinding of units on secondary accounts is highly unlikely, as they would have the time to do it on their mains. It is hard to believe they saved up for a year on secondary and tertiary accounts for an event they knew nothing about a week or two prior to the event. I find it extremely hard to believe that random people would join and donate to the alliance with no donation back (as more members would be in the top 20-30 and are not), so this points it was 1-way donations. Who would donate 1000's of units for free?
And if it was free accounts with 1000 units and done 100% legitimately, how many accounts would have to have been used? We know the volume of units for 2nd place and data to see what is would have taken. I see manpower the sole lack of ability to manually donate the level of units via auxiliary accounts. The only logical assumption is purchasing units from a service. Buying units/items from a 3rd party is against the rules, it is against ToS... even if it was Credit Card fraud or not, as it could also be done threw bots. However, it is safer to assume that the service they used did conduct in CC Fraud or Bots (as this is almost always the case).
Not to mention that even if it was within the "rule" it was an exploit.
As for buying units/items from 3rd party, that is a hard one to crack there, as did they buy units/items or time, as some people have claimed to get past it. Other than that you seem ready to convict mainly on circumstantial evidence.
How many members would MMX have to rotate? Where were these accounts from? How did these accounts acquire their units? It is obvious that something was not right. The facts do not add up to show that the rotating was not 100% legitimate accounts, and the amount of time to grind the units legitimately is impossible for rotating members.
If the members were not from the alliance, where were they from? Did other alliances team up just to beat Asgard? I hardly doubt that, as it would hurt their main alliance. Why would you help another alliance you are against in the Platinum and up brackets? It makes no sense.
The only thin that makes sense is that accounts were brought on the ranks for gifting 1-way only. Why would anyone (and there would have to be more than 1) do that? Especially if the person got no benefit from the donation? You cannot be that ignorant of they facts that it points to unit services lol.
I am providing examples on how it could be done illegitimately. You have not provided any evidence that they could do it legitimately with grinding or using alt accounts. Your evidence would equally be speculation and assumptions. However, there is weight to assumption of a unit/item service that have been known to have been used in the past than it was done in all fairness. Just saying... if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck.... It is most likely a duck.
I don't have to prove anything to you or give you evidence. That is more for Kabam. As stated, this hurts their game and the future state of trust if it was bot services. It can also hurt their profits if the units were paid for with Credit Card Fraud.
Again, that is up for Kabam to investigate. All I stated was that these events shouldn't exist. I am more suggesting what should be done in the future and offering solutions. You seem to be the one that wants to solely look at MMX and making excuses.
The cheating is definitely wrong, but that’s something kabam has 11.5 months to fix before the next one. Don’t punish us for the rotten top 3.
“You would have to dominate the top 20-30 spots with most being at 1-10...”
Not at all, players could spread out the money spent on multiple alts gifting their main; this boosts multiple accounts players can then use later on.
“Who would donate 1000's of units for free?”
An alt(s) of an account who cbb with the logistics of thousands of dollars worth of transactions with multiple people.
FYI I’ve seen one person (in their free time) earn ~37k units in the span of a year using alts.