Kabam, just some constructive feedback regarding rebalances

I understand sometimes a champ needs to be rebalanced, but some of the changes feel like change only for the sake of change.

In this post I’m most specifically speaking to Namor and his regeneration. I think the entire point of giving him regeneration in the first place was recognizing that his main function was against some type of damage over time node/opponent. Regardless of how high the sig is or how aggressive you play him, you will end up taking some sort of hit from the damage over time. I think the devs knew that and offset it with regeneration capabilities. It was small, only up to 6 percent (up to and not a flat rate of 6, that is key) health on the use of a special. There did not seem to be a need to halve that if you consider that his function is being used on DOT and he will be taking damage.

Was the issue that he was too good of an overall character and being used outside of DOT fights? It just feels like the devs were second guessing themselves. While regeneration *might* have been too strong in non DOT fights, I think it was almost a necessity in DOT fights to mitigate the damage the player cannot.

If that was the case, perhaps a better compromise would have been to only be able to regen while under DOT effects and even possibly increase the regen cap in that case.

Regardless, I love the character, I didn’t sell him and the changes have not kept me from using him, but the regeneration rebalancing just seemed completely unnecessary.

Comments

GroundedWisdom

That may have been the application, but they were looking at comparative data overall. Which means that they have specific parameters which they consider "too much, too little", to put it simply. Within that, he was regenerating more than what they consider balanced. That may not just be the amount or specific times he heals. It could also be the rate. Meaning, which was indicated in the Thread, he heals more Damage than he's taking. Doing this in specific situations wouldn't really solve what was found in the data.

RogerRabs

That may have been the application, but they were looking at comparative data overall. Which means that they have specific parameters which they consider "too much, too little", to put it simply. Within that, he was regenerating more than what they consider balanced. That may not just be the amount or specific times he heals. It could also be the rate. Meaning, which was indicated in the Thread, he heals more Damage than he's taking. Doing this in specific situations wouldn't really solve what was found in the data.

Sorry but that was a word salad

GroundedWisdom

That may have been the application, but they were looking at comparative data overall. Which means that they have specific parameters which they consider "too much, too little", to put it simply. Within that, he was regenerating more than what they consider balanced. That may not just be the amount or specific times he heals. It could also be the rate. Meaning, which was indicated in the Thread, he heals more Damage than he's taking. Doing this in specific situations wouldn't really solve what was found in the data.
Sorry but that was a word salad

TL:DR - That ain't happening.
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DNA3000

In this post I’m most specifically speaking to Namor and his regeneration. I think the entire point of giving him regeneration in the first place was recognizing that his main function was against some type of damage over time node/opponent. Regardless of how high the sig is or how aggressive you play him, you will end up taking some sort of hit from the damage over time. I think the devs knew that and offset it with regeneration capabilities. It was small, only up to 6 percent (up to and not a flat rate of 6, that is key) health on the use of a special. There did not seem to be a need to halve that if you consider that his function is being used on DOT and he will be taking damage.

The rebalancing post explicitly stated the design intent behind the regeneration:

We will be lowering his Regeneration. The intention with the Regen was to allow him to fight back against Recoil and Suicide Masteries but it's potent enough that he gains more health than he loses.

This seems to be a reasonable design intent because of the way Imperius Rex works. It is designed to give him the ability to burst into a sequence of special attacks, but that would make suicide masteries, recoil in particular, extremely problematic for Namor.

What the devs didn't seem to fully account for was the fact that Namor has additional implicit healing through his signature ability. At high sig he essentially eliminates the damage from suicides while still benefiting from willpower, at least while attacking. When you add that to the special attack regen he was basically gaining way more health than suicides was costing him, which was not the intent. I also wonder if the devs considered fully the fact that SP3 doesn't generate recoil damage, but does heal Namor, and Namor tends to use SP3 more often than the average champ given the way his abilities work.

spaceoctopus

In this post I’m most specifically speaking to Namor and his regeneration. I think the entire point of giving him regeneration in the first place was recognizing that his main function was against some type of damage over time node/opponent. Regardless of how high the sig is or how aggressive you play him, you will end up taking some sort of hit from the damage over time. I think the devs knew that and offset it with regeneration capabilities. It was small, only up to 6 percent (up to and not a flat rate of 6, that is key) health on the use of a special. There did not seem to be a need to halve that if you consider that his function is being used on DOT and he will be taking damage.
The rebalancing post explicitly stated the design intent behind the regeneration:
We will be lowering his Regeneration. The intention with the Regen was to allow him to fight back against Recoil and Suicide Masteries but it's potent enough that he gains more health than he loses.

This seems to be a reasonable design intent because of the way Imperius Rex works. It is designed to give him the ability to burst into a sequence of special attacks, but that would make suicide masteries, recoil in particular, extremely problematic for Namor.

What the devs didn't seem to fully account for was the fact that Namor has additional implicit healing through his signature ability. At high sig he essentially eliminates the damage from suicides while still benefiting from willpower, at least while attacking. When you add that to the special attack regen he was basically gaining way more health than suicides was costing him, which was not the intent. I also wonder if the devs considered fully the fact that SP3 doesn't generate recoil damage, but does heal Namor, and Namor tends to use SP3 more often than the average champ given the way his abilities work.

That’s a fair point @DNA3000 . I hadn’t run Namor with suicides yet and didn’t consider the willpower impact.