LGBTQ Profile pic of rainbow

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  • DonnymeijDonnymeij Posts: 680 ★★★
    I do not feel profiles are the place to promote your believes. Besides what Character you think is the coolest.
    There are a lot of places you can promote your believes. If they bring a profile pic like this should they also introduce a profile pic that is just blue and pink. If you think there is just man and woman. There is no choice, and it is what it is?
    Not touching on gay or bi. That is just based on what triggers your private parts. But there are a lot of people, me included, that would actually take offense to such a pic because we believe transgenderism is a form of delusionism. And every person should have the choice if they think that or not, but something that might be a delusion, and thus mentally harmful, should not be promoted in a game.
    Making that profile pic would also show kabam picking a side in the debate, and I think Kabam should stay neutral in cases like this.
  • WagarWagar Posts: 22
    Sorry, I thought you would know what I meant when I said gravity was yet to be proven... I used it by saying that something so apparent was yet to be shown how and why it is there - what forces are in play.

    The fact that something "naturally occur" does not negate it from being a polital/moral issue. Why? Because saying it "naturally occurs" can mean 2 things:
    1 - that it is built into the genetics
    2 - that it occurs, but its something driven by human decision (like murder) and therefore can be judged morally.

    From your statement, you described the 2nd option and just made my point - this is a political/moral issue
  • SentryPillowSentryPillow Posts: 307 ★★★
    @UmbertoDelRio thats true mate. It’s sad that that isn’t the case. However, I still believe that releasing such a profile picture wouldn’t do much good. It’s hard to change one persons opinion, much less a whole community of people. I’m a firm believer that everyone should be treated equally regardless of political views, religion, or sexuality (especially since this is something one can’t control). I still think releasing characters who are a part of the community would show support without making it seem like pandering. This is after all a marvel game. Characters like Valkyrie are bisexual and adding her into the game would be a good edition.
  • SentryPillowSentryPillow Posts: 307 ★★★
    @UmbertoDelRio literally no one here is offended by lgbtq people. No one has shown anything but support for them, just not through the means that the OP asked for
  • WagarWagar Posts: 22
    Wait... since when are we being force to agree with something? That is a totalitarian view!

    Actually, in a free world you have the RIGHT to disagree with a viewpoint! That is the definition of being free. What you want is totalitarianism... tell me what to think, how to live, etc. That is what is so scary about the LGBTQ - its the double standard! You tell people that tolerance isnt enough, they MUST agree with you. Yet, you are unwilling to agree with those who see things differently (right or wrong). In that, you refuse to even tolerate, let alone accept them. Scary!! Very Scary!!
  • Austin555555Austin555555 Posts: 2,971 ★★★★★
    Let’s not bring in politics
  • DonnymeijDonnymeij Posts: 680 ★★★

    Mercury79 said:

    @Mercury79 everyone is equal. I agree with that completely. Why do we need a profile picture to show that?

    Bro I am straight...and I am agree to you but if they want a new pic then many people get offended...that's why I give the suggestion use the cherecters pic there are many cherecters as LGBTQ and happyness is more important...
    That's the issue at hand here. That's why there should be a clear stance taken here. That's why talking about equality here is ignorant.

    Not hating lgbtq folk is not acceptance. Not minding them in your vicinity is not support.

    Shielding those who without reason get offended by them openly existing is bigotry.
    Actually you brought up an issue right there. And that are the words acceptance and support.
    I actually do have a reason to get offended by people who promote the normalization of transgenderism. Because I believe, and there is at least as much proof for my points as the opposite, it is a form of dellusionism. Believing in something you are not. So from my point of view, those people are actually promoting the normalization of a mental illness.
    That does not mean they should not believe in their own delusion and do with their life what they want.

    By thinking I am wrong with this you actually are not accepting my believe and do not support my reason of thought.
    And thus, you are doing the exact same thing you say people that do not support lgbtq do in reverse.

    In the above I am not talking about being gay or bi, purely about transgenderism.
  • Austin555555Austin555555 Posts: 2,971 ★★★★★
    @Kabam Miike this is gonna start a big issue and possibly a fight. Can you close this thread please
  • WagarWagar Posts: 22
    Look @UmbertoDelRio, it is clear that you keep switching back and forth on what u mean by "natural occurrence". Sometimes you mean it is beyond human choice (a statement of genetics - not proven scientifically) and sometimes you mean human choice, which is seen within nature (which is debated morally and therfore there are differing views). Pick a view and stick to it, please! It makes having a conversation about it easier.
  • SentryPillowSentryPillow Posts: 307 ★★★
    @UmbertoDelRio but at the end of the day, regardless of objective fact that the earth is round, there are still people who subjectively believe it is not. There’s nothing you can do to change their minds regardless of how wrong they are
  • SentryPillowSentryPillow Posts: 307 ★★★
    @UmbertoDelRio just give up already....like I said before, despite your facts (which are objectively true) people will still believe whatever they want to believe. Even though there’s nothing wrong with transgenderism, there are people who subjectively believe that it is wrong despite the facts. Just leave them alone. They don’t have to agree with the facts or you for that matter
  • WagarWagar Posts: 22

    And as to the second part, how do you make that jump? Homosexuality occurs in all kinds of species, how can it be driven by human decision? It evidently isn't.

    There are hypothesis regarding the genetic foundation of sexuality. There are for example genetic foundations for the degree of which one is drawn to either sex. Those traits however can be passed down to either sex, so if a mother passes down the trait of being extremely drawn towards men (androphilia) to a son, that son would be homosexual. This hypothesis is mostly about the evolutionary basis for...


    You state, "how can it be driven by human decision? It evidently isnt" , then you state that it is a hypothesis in the next sentence.

    That is what I mean. You flip-flop what you mean. This is a nature/nurture debate, and I gotta tell, the nature side of the debate isnt doing to well. Yet you combine them into 1 debate thinking you are getting your point made... you are not!
  • DonnymeijDonnymeij Posts: 680 ★★★

    Donnymeij said:

    I do not feel profiles are the place to promote your believes. Besides what Character you think is the coolest.
    There are a lot of places you can promote your believes. If they bring a profile pic like this should they also introduce a profile pic that is just blue and pink. If you think there is just man and woman. There is no choice, and it is what it is?
    Not touching on gay or bi. That is just based on what triggers your private parts. But there are a lot of people, me included, that would actually take offense to such a pic because we believe transgenderism is a form of delusionism. And every person should have the choice if they think that or not, but something that might be a delusion, and thus mentally harmful, should not be promoted in a game.
    Making that profile pic would also show kabam picking a side in the debate, and I think Kabam should stay neutral in cases like this.

    What do you base that view on? It is evident that the numbers of suicide/self-harm/hatecrimes of/against lgbtq people directly corresponds with the degree of rights and acceptance in a given society.

    You're using clearly defined terms of the field of psychology, so I suppose your view is based on that?
    The basis of my view on this is actually simple. The reason I think it is a delusion is because people believe they are something they are not. There is only 1 distinct difference between a man and a women, and that is the X and Y chromosome. That is the only constant that can be proven by measurable factors (so not feelings).

    Below are a couple of examples. In the example I use a white middleaged man and things he might think.
    1- I am black - False, the man is white.
    2- I am a cat - False, he is a human.
    3- I am underaged - False, he is middle aged.
    4- I have 1 arm - False, in his case, he has two arms.
    5- I am a woman - Fact???????

    Why would the 5th example become fact? While almost everyone would agree the other 4 are false, based on simple facts like genetics, their look, the date they were born etc.

    All these examples come down to the same thing, just taken to another extent on the scale.

    I am not saying that white middleaged man does not believe or feel he is either of those things. But why should I be expected to say to him that he is in fact right. While he is actually wrong.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 28,741 ★★★★★
    Wagar said:

    Why do you need a video game to bring validation to your lifestyle anyway? I dont see anyone posting that there needs to be race representation or anything like that. Its always the LGTBQ movement that needs validation

    I wasn't going to enter this discussion, but I have to respond to this. We're not looking for "validation" with Pride. We're looking for solidarity to show people we are here for them. People are still killing themselves over their sexuality and gender identity. They're still being murdered in a number of parts of the world because of the way they were born. They're still being discriminated in many parts of the world because of the beliefs of others. They're still being beaten and tortured and mutilated. So until that is no longer an issue, there will always be a need for "validation".
  • WagarWagar Posts: 22
    I think I will gracefully bow out of this discussion. This form was meant to bring improvements to the game and has now been turned into a debate forum, which isnt what its intended for.

    Im sure Kabam will make their own mind up on the matter.
  • SentryPillowSentryPillow Posts: 307 ★★★
    @UmbertoDelRio you misunderstand me. You can try and educate them, but you’ll fail every time. Why? Because they have their beliefs set in stone. People follow confirmation bias, and only use whatever you say to disprove you and further fuel their own beliefs. It’s nearly impossible to change another persons mind.
  • SentryPillowSentryPillow Posts: 307 ★★★
    @GroundedWisdom but will bringing anything into this marvel game actually change anything? I doubt that anything would actually happen
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 28,741 ★★★★★

    @GroundedWisdom but will bringing anything into this marvel game actually change anything? I doubt that anything would actually happen

    Maybe not, maybe. I just wanted to make the point on the topic of Pride. It could, though. Say there's an LGBTQ youth that gets picked on everyday at school. Then they pick the game up and are reminded that there's support out there. I agree it's controversial for a game. In my mind though, a thousand people who are butt hurt because of ignorance don't amount to the one person who feels like they don't have to kill themselves. Still, I don't think it would be the best place. I'd have no issues at all, but given the nature of the people playing, it would be torn apart. Lol.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 28,741 ★★★★★

    @UmbertoDelRio you misunderstand me. You can try and educate them, but you’ll fail every time. Why? Because they have their beliefs set in stone. People follow confirmation bias, and only use whatever you say to disprove you and further fuel their own beliefs. It’s nearly impossible to change another persons mind.

    That's just a sad view. The general consensus regarding all sorts of topics in the general population has always changed over time according to new informaton through education. Most parts of the western world are now more tolerant towards lgbtq than they were 10, 20, 30 years ago.

    Call my view totalitarian, but I do not think we as an advancing species should shield ignorance for the sake of free opinions, especially when those opinions can be physically or educationally harmful to us as a whole.
    The irony is, it's been a part of human history for as far back as we can remember. The Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, many accounts. It's only in the last 2000+ years that Leviticus, and other writings, have deemed it inhuman and unholy. Fact is, sexuality is a human thing, and it's as old as humans.
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