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ItsDamien · July 2020

2_Wheeler said:
So remind me again about balance.

513 War rating vs 512. Technically the 512 is the underdog because of over inflated "balance" of previous seasons.

2_Wheeler · July 2020

pseudosane said:
i have gone through pages and pages of this, with only one argument. There is no need to explain it anymore. The matchmaking is how it is, now. We heard complaints before, we will hear complaints now. Just accept and adapt. I support this matching tbh, our matches havent changed really, we are high enough to keep facing the same prestige folks (albeit a little stronger), but it is alright. It finally feels fixed.

That’s great for those that have, the have nots.....not so much.

GroundedWisdom · July 2020

-sixate- said:

GroundedWisdom said:

ApexofWar said:

GroundedWisdom said:
See, I disagree. They have. The same Tiers had the same Nodes, right up to Tier 1.
An alliance with a low prestige does not deserve the same rewards as an alliance with double the prestige (and vice versa).
You think there's fairness in high prestige alliances fighting other high prestige alliances to get lesser rewards than a low prestige alliance fighting other low prestige alliances?
Are you slow in the head? Are you triggered? What's your deal?
In War, yes. It's all about how they perform in War. If they win more of their Wars, and it's fair Matches, then yes. People keep saying it's more work for higher Prestige, but it isn't really. They're working with stronger Champs. So it's pretty much the same. Ego-bending, I know.
You have clearly never faced a R3 opponent in tier 5 and up, and top alliances have every champ at R5 or R2 or R3. All the hardest and most annoying champs on the hardest node combinations that you've never even dreamt of. It's not the same thing. Just quit because you have no clue.

I'm facing an alliance right now, who has a higher war rating, and they're placing some maxed out 4* and R4 5* and a few R1 6*. We're loaded with R5's everywhere and they can't even complete the map in teir 5. They should have never be sniffing teir 5 and up wars.

I'm going to say this one more time because I think the mic has been off.
YOU HAVE BEEN FIGHTING STRONGER CHAMPS WITH STRONGER CHAMPS.
Your opponent is stronger, but so is what you're working with. Which means the Wars are the same as someone with weaker Champs facing weaker opponents.
They also fought the same Node combinations. With opponents equally as hard for them.

-sixate- · July 2020

GroundedWisdom said:

-sixate- said:

GroundedWisdom said:

ApexofWar said:

GroundedWisdom said:
See, I disagree. They have. The same Tiers had the same Nodes, right up to Tier 1.
An alliance with a low prestige does not deserve the same rewards as an alliance with double the prestige (and vice versa).
You think there's fairness in high prestige alliances fighting other high prestige alliances to get lesser rewards than a low prestige alliance fighting other low prestige alliances?
Are you slow in the head? Are you triggered? What's your deal?
In War, yes. It's all about how they perform in War. If they win more of their Wars, and it's fair Matches, then yes. People keep saying it's more work for higher Prestige, but it isn't really. They're working with stronger Champs. So it's pretty much the same. Ego-bending, I know.
You have clearly never faced a R3 opponent in tier 5 and up, and top alliances have every champ at R5 or R2 or R3. All the hardest and most annoying champs on the hardest node combinations that you've never even dreamt of. It's not the same thing. Just quit because you have no clue.

I'm facing an alliance right now, who has a higher war rating, and they're placing some maxed out 4* and R4 5* and a few R1 6*. We're loaded with R5's everywhere and they can't even complete the map in teir 5. They should have never be sniffing teir 5 and up wars.
I'm going to say this one more time because I think the mic has been off.
YOU HAVE BEEN FIGHTING STRONGER CHAMPS WITH STRONGER CHAMPS.
Your opponent is stronger, but so is what you're working with. Which means the Wars are the same as someone with weaker Champs facing weaker opponents.
They also fought the same Node combinations. With opponents equally as hard for them.

Lol! Keep trying. You are wrong. I took in my D squad to this war and walked through to the end.

QuikPik · July 2020

It's not the same level of difficulty. It takes me 5 large 100 unit potions to fully heal a R5 5*. It only takes 2 to fully heal a R5 4*.

And all of the smaller alliances are not fighting the latest and greatest defender right when they are released. If Sasquach turns out to be a great defender, you can bet the next war, a high prestige alliance will see them in abundance. Lower level alliances will not see top flight defenders for months.

Corby11 · July 2020

GroundedWisdom said:

ApexofWar said:

GroundedWisdom said:
See, I disagree. They have. The same Tiers had the same Nodes, right up to Tier 1.
An alliance with a low prestige does not deserve the same rewards as an alliance with double the prestige (and vice versa).
You think there's fairness in high prestige alliances fighting other high prestige alliances to get lesser rewards than a low prestige alliance fighting other low prestige alliances?
Are you slow in the head? Are you triggered? What's your deal?
In War, yes. It's all about how they perform in War. If they win more of their Wars, and it's fair Matches, then yes. People keep saying it's more work for higher Prestige, but it isn't really. They're working with stronger Champs. So it's pretty much the same. Ego-bending, I know.

Wait so if an alliance with 300 prestige Was to do map 5 in AQ and they clear all of the map then they should get the same rewards as an alliance with 10500 Prestige doing map 5 because at the end of the day the Higher prestige alliance might be facing higher rated opponents but they have better champs so it’s the same thing, I see, mmm so equally a guy with 2* hero’s doing beginner level in the monthly event quest should get the same rewards as a guy with 5* doing uncollected. Makes perfect sense I see exactly where your going with it.

Greekhit · July 2020

Greekhit said:

BuGi said:

Confusing concepts
Lightweight has its own champion
Heavyweights have their own champions
The difficulty of the venue is the same
3r4 vs 3r4 will not lose to 5r5 vs 5r5
But 3r4 vs 5r5 must be boring
If aw's ranking is based on the championship pool.
Just spend money. You can't beat the richest player,
If you CANNOT beat the richest player why you WANT to beat him?

pseudosane · July 2020

Food for thought. Why are there so many complaints? Because the lower prestige folks are facing r5 dooms, things, nicks, mojos, warlocks at max, and sometimes r3 defenders. The map is littered with r3 6* and mainly r5 5*. They find it "too" difficult. This is pretty much how EVERY war in a higher prestige looked like. I've been seeing the argument that it isn't fair, but imagine facing these defenders every war, and placing lower than folks who face 4* defenders. This is the only reason i support this change.

BuGi · July 2020

Greekhit said:

GroundedWisdom said:

In War, yes. It's all about how they perform in War. If they win more of their Wars, and it's fair Matches, then yes. People keep saying it's more work for higher Prestige, but it isn't really. They're working with stronger Champs. So it's pretty much the same. Ego-bending, I know.
War isn’t all about how you perform, like the real war, it’s more about firepower.
Whether you like it or not higher prestige players have worked harder than lower ones. That’s a fact. They are working with stronger champs because grind/paid a lot for them. Do the same if you can.

If it is a war, no alliance will fight a war that is bound to fail. It should not draw lots to decide the opponent.
If it's a game, it's fair to compete.

GroundedWisdom · July 2020

QuikPik said:
It's not the same level of difficulty. It takes me 5 large 100 unit potions to fully heal a R5 5*. It only takes 2 to fully heal a R5 4*.

And all of the smaller alliances are not fighting the latest and greatest defender right when they are released. If Sasquach turns out to be a great defender, you can bet the next war, a high prestige alliance will see them in abundance. Lower level alliances will not see top flight defenders for months.

It's not the same level of difficulty because it takes more to heal Champs higher up? That has nothing to do with the level of difficulty. For that matter, the system only allows 15 Items and rewards people who don't Revive.

Stark_90 · July 2020

My alliance, where people are at level just begining to rank 4 their 5 star champions, many still have 4 star maxed champions as their "go-to" champions, are being matched with opponents who have multiple Rank 5 5 stars. There is world of difference between summoners in my alliance and summoners from the alliance we being matched with, in terms of experience in game as well as skill level.
One needs empathy to understand how someone else may feel about this new system of match making.
I saw an example above where an underdog football team won the championship. I do not think that example is at all relevent here.
Many of who have pointed out the unfairness of the new matchmaking system are just saying we could have won if we did not have this unfair disadvantage.

Mr_Platypus · July 2020

BuGi said:

Greekhit said:

GroundedWisdom said:

In War, yes. It's all about how they perform in War. If they win more of their Wars, and it's fair Matches, then yes. People keep saying it's more work for higher Prestige, but it isn't really. They're working with stronger Champs. So it's pretty much the same. Ego-bending, I know.
War isn’t all about how you perform, like the real war, it’s more about firepower.
Whether you like it or not higher prestige players have worked harder than lower ones. That’s a fact. They are working with stronger champs because grind/paid a lot for them. Do the same if you can.
If it is a war, no alliance will fight a war that is bound to fail. It should not draw lots to decide the opponent.
If it's a game, it's fair to compete.

Then take the loss... stop acting like you’ll always get a never ending stream of bad matchups.
IT WILL BECOME FAIR EVENTUALLY.
WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND.

Greekhit · July 2020

GroundedWisdom said:

It's not the same level of difficulty because it takes more to heal Champs higher up? That has nothing to do with the level of difficulty. For that matter, the system only allows 15 Items and rewards people who don't Revive.

Higher level healing items require more units spent. More units mean more grind or pay, which is technically equal to higher difficulty.

mum_m2 · July 2020

GroundedWisdom said:

-sixate- said:

GroundedWisdom said:

ApexofWar said:

GroundedWisdom said:
See, I disagree. They have. The same Tiers had the same Nodes, right up to Tier 1.
An alliance with a low prestige does not deserve the same rewards as an alliance with double the prestige (and vice versa).
You think there's fairness in high prestige alliances fighting other high prestige alliances to get lesser rewards than a low prestige alliance fighting other low prestige alliances?
Are you slow in the head? Are you triggered? What's your deal?
In War, yes. It's all about how they perform in War. If they win more of their Wars, and it's fair Matches, then yes. People keep saying it's more work for higher Prestige, but it isn't really. They're working with stronger Champs. So it's pretty much the same. Ego-bending, I know.
You have clearly never faced a R3 opponent in tier 5 and up, and top alliances have every champ at R5 or R2 or R3. All the hardest and most annoying champs on the hardest node combinations that you've never even dreamt of. It's not the same thing. Just quit because you have no clue.

I'm facing an alliance right now, who has a higher war rating, and they're placing some maxed out 4* and R4 5* and a few R1 6*. We're loaded with R5's everywhere and they can't even complete the map in teir 5. They should have never be sniffing teir 5 and up wars.
I'm going to say this one more time because I think the mic has been off.
YOU HAVE BEEN FIGHTING STRONGER CHAMPS WITH STRONGER CHAMPS.
Your opponent is stronger, but so is what you're working with. Which means the Wars are the same as someone with weaker Champs facing weaker opponents.
They also fought the same Node combinations. With opponents equally as hard for them.

ok. So. what happens when you pit that stronger alliance against the weaker one?? How come the weaker alliance gets better rewards than the stronger one.

again, I'll throw the analogy of Long Island Lutheran, and the Knicks. Because if LIL has a better win %. Does that mean they should be compensated more than the Knicks???? Does that mean Manny vs Mayweather should receive less money than a fight between two guys below rank 20?

GroundedWisdom · July 2020

Greekhit said:

GroundedWisdom said:

It's not the same level of difficulty because it takes more to heal Champs higher up? That has nothing to do with the level of difficulty. For that matter, the system only allows 15 Items and rewards people who don't Revive.
Higher level healing items require more units spent. More units mean more grind or pay, which is technically equal to higher difficulty.

No. Not at all. That's just expecting to get more for paying more.

GroundedWisdom · July 2020

War rewards performance. The scoring doesn't include a metric for spending.

Thicco_Mode · July 2020

Mr_Platypus said:

BuGi said:

Greekhit said:

GroundedWisdom said:

In War, yes. It's all about how they perform in War. If they win more of their Wars, and it's fair Matches, then yes. People keep saying it's more work for higher Prestige, but it isn't really. They're working with stronger Champs. So it's pretty much the same. Ego-bending, I know.
War isn’t all about how you perform, like the real war, it’s more about firepower.
Whether you like it or not higher prestige players have worked harder than lower ones. That’s a fact. They are working with stronger champs because grind/paid a lot for them. Do the same if you can.
If it is a war, no alliance will fight a war that is bound to fail. It should not draw lots to decide the opponent.
If it's a game, it's fair to compete.
Then take the loss... stop acting like you’ll always get a never ending stream of bad matchups.
IT WILL BECOME FAIR EVENTUALLY.
WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR YOU ALL TO UNDERSTAND.

because they benefited from the broken system and refuse to accept that. they claim the new one is imbalanced, and it will be for the beginning. however, it'll be normal if you just play wars and find the right tier. grounded clearly benefited from the old system and when it changes for the better, it's about the little guys that he cares about. like I said before, he wanted the gates for act six because it wouldn't matter for him and it curved progression. now that this affects him and people are being placed where they shouldo, it's a terrible change and unfair for everyone else. don't feed the troll anymore. I genuinely thought everyone was overreacting about him in the past, but thine eyes have been opened

pseudosane · July 2020

GroundedWisdom said:

Greekhit said:

GroundedWisdom said:

It's not the same level of difficulty because it takes more to heal Champs higher up? That has nothing to do with the level of difficulty. For that matter, the system only allows 15 Items and rewards people who don't Revive.
Higher level healing items require more units spent. More units mean more grind or pay, which is technically equal to higher difficulty.

No. Not at all. That's just expecting to get more for paying more.

except unless you are in t1/t2 folks dont really "pay". So you want folks to be "punished" for doing well in AQ, grinding for one game mode, by getting penalised in another. Seeems fair, innit.

GroundedWisdom · July 2020

pseudosane said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Greekhit said:

GroundedWisdom said:

It's not the same level of difficulty because it takes more to heal Champs higher up? That has nothing to do with the level of difficulty. For that matter, the system only allows 15 Items and rewards people who don't Revive.
Higher level healing items require more units spent. More units mean more grind or pay, which is technically equal to higher difficulty.

No. Not at all. That's just expecting to get more for paying more.
except unless you are in t1/t2 folks dont really "pay". So you want folks to be "punished" for doing well in AQ, grinding for one game mode, by getting penalised in another. Seeems fair, innit.

The metrics account for how people perform. Not what they spend. If they have to spend to make sure they don't die, that's what they have to do. However, the scoring is the same for everyone. Don't K.O., get more Points. K.O. your Opponent, get more Points.

GroundedWisdom · July 2020

Greekhit said:

GroundedWisdom said:

No. Not at all. That's just expecting to get more for paying more.
In this game (and nearly all similar structure games), you get more for paying more.
Are you sure the instaled application on your device is named “Marvel Contest of Champions”?

You can spend out the Ying Yang, but unless you get those Wins with it, you don't get anything besides Participation.

Manup456 · July 2020

I think this is great people will actually be in the correct spots now, but in the beginning it will seem way off and eventually get where it should be and balance out.

pseudosane · July 2020

GroundedWisdom said:

pseudosane said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Greekhit said:

GroundedWisdom said:

It's not the same level of difficulty because it takes more to heal Champs higher up? That has nothing to do with the level of difficulty. For that matter, the system only allows 15 Items and rewards people who don't Revive.
Higher level healing items require more units spent. More units mean more grind or pay, which is technically equal to higher difficulty.

No. Not at all. That's just expecting to get more for paying more.
except unless you are in t1/t2 folks dont really "pay". So you want folks to be "punished" for doing well in AQ, grinding for one game mode, by getting penalised in another. Seeems fair, innit.
The metrics account for how people perform. Not what they spend. If they have to spend to make sure they don't die, that's what they have to do. However, the scoring is the same for everyone. Don't K.O., get more Points. K.O. your Opponent, get more Points.

Then KO your opponent in war. Dont complain about the difficulty.

mum_m2 · July 2020

GroundedWisdom said:

mum_m2 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

pseudosane said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Greekhit said:

GroundedWisdom said:

It's not the same level of difficulty because it takes more to heal Champs higher up? That has nothing to do with the level of difficulty. For that matter, the system only allows 15 Items and rewards people who don't Revive.
Higher level healing items require more units spent. More units mean more grind or pay, which is technically equal to higher difficulty.

No. Not at all. That's just expecting to get more for paying more.
except unless you are in t1/t2 folks dont really "pay". So you want folks to be "punished" for doing well in AQ, grinding for one game mode, by getting penalised in another. Seeems fair, innit.
The metrics account for how people perform. Not what they spend. If they have to spend to make sure they don't die, that's what they have to do. However, the scoring is the same for everyone. Don't K.O., get more Points. K.O. your Opponent, get more Points.
yeah at face value you're right. But you don't have the fire power to beat a stronger alliance. I mean I get that you and others tasted sweet success, to only have a bitter after taste now. Totally understand that. But you're not taking into the account of all the alliances that were shafted for the past 10+ seasons while they watched alliances who don't have a place on their field get more compensation????
Obviously they did have a place on their field because they worked their way up there with Matches they had a chance of winning, and because people were breaking even on their own Wars, they weren't getting ahead.

Ok. So pushing your contradiction aside, since you feel that you belong on the same field, then the current system is a perfect representation of that. Good luck.

GroundedWisdom · July 2020

pseudosane said:

GroundedWisdom said:

pseudosane said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Greekhit said:

GroundedWisdom said:

It's not the same level of difficulty because it takes more to heal Champs higher up? That has nothing to do with the level of difficulty. For that matter, the system only allows 15 Items and rewards people who don't Revive.
Higher level healing items require more units spent. More units mean more grind or pay, which is technically equal to higher difficulty.

No. Not at all. That's just expecting to get more for paying more.
except unless you are in t1/t2 folks dont really "pay". So you want folks to be "punished" for doing well in AQ, grinding for one game mode, by getting penalised in another. Seeems fair, innit.
The metrics account for how people perform. Not what they spend. If they have to spend to make sure they don't die, that's what they have to do. However, the scoring is the same for everyone. Don't K.O., get more Points. K.O. your Opponent, get more Points.
Then KO your opponent in war. Dont complain about the difficulty.

I'm not. Don't know how many times I've said I'm not here for myself. I'm here because I called it the second they announced the change, and now people are getting dumped on for being treated unfairly when all they did was play their own bloody Wars. So many bitter people on here.

pseudosane · July 2020

Well then the people you represent cannot complain either.

GroundedWisdom · July 2020

Yes they can. That was the whole point of what I just said. They have valid complaints and all other people are doing is pouring salt on the wound because they're lapping it up.

QuikPik · July 2020

It's not like all these alliances went 0-12 in a season and dropped a tier. Let's say an alliance started in Plat4 when they first shifted to prestige based match making. If that alliance goes 6-6 every season thereafter, they dropped little by little each season as smaller alliances took their spot in Plat4. Eventually, they get pushed down to Gold 1 and possibly Gold 2 just because they win and lose half their wars. Under normal circumstances winning 50% is good enough to keep you in the same tier.

xNig · July 2020

All wars are fair.

Every single alliance has a chance to win every other single alliance, depending how they play.

If a 5k prestige alliance can go for max diversity and 0 deaths against Ken0b, they deserve the win.

So rather than choosing whichever argument suits you best for a counterpoint, then flipping around and picking the flip side of it for another counterpoint, just stick to one.

Foodeat86 · July 2020

This is bad joke...really..of course the Whales won... Not enjoying the game with these new features

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