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Daredevil VS. Miss mechanic (Guillotine 2099)

bloodyCainbloodyCain Posts: 910 ★★★
in General Discussion
Didn't he like can always hit all invisible champs?
But why it has to be different when against Guillotine 2099?
He will miss his hits.
Here is the prove.
https://youtu.be/LNE81RekPvc

Comments

  • Kill_GreyKill_Grey Posts: 8,666 ★★★★★
    Same way he doesn't counter ghost. If you read guilly 2099's abilities, you'll see she activates "digicloak" which basically turns her intangible like ghost. As for invisible woman, she doesn't turn intangible but invisible, which is apparently a problem for almost all the champs (IDK, kabam logic I guess). In other words, you can still hit her, but can't see her. As for Daredevil, he has heightened senses so he can "sense" her and go to town on her!
  • dot_dittodot_ditto Posts: 1,442 ★★★★
    I asked this a while ago:

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/1027431#Comment_1027431

    I also asked them for clarification in the guillotine spotlight ...

    https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/164461/champion-spotlight-guillotine-2099

    In there Kabam Zibiit actually "hinted" that it might be an issue, and they'd look into it ..

    .. and then nothing .. *shrug*

    At least if they could clarify how Daredevil works with different champs/terminologies .. it would help a lot.

    As I indicated in there, they need to:

    1) start using consistent terms: ie cloak vs stealth vs invisibility vs phase ... etc.
    2) they need to spell out clearly what daredevil can counter (eg stealth, invisibility, but not phase . etc.)

    so that we're not always "guessing" at how things are supposed to work.
  • dot_dittodot_ditto Posts: 1,442 ★★★★
    Kill_Grey4112 said:

    Same way he doesn't counter ghost. If you read guilly 2099's abilities, you'll see she activates "digicloak" which basically turns her intangible like ghost. As for invisible woman, she doesn't turn intangible but invisible, which is apparently a problem for almost all the champs (IDK, kabam logic I guess). In other words, you can still hit her, but can't see her. As for Daredevil, he has heightened senses so he can "sense" her and go to town on her!

    But she doesn't work like ghost, nor is her abilities worded like ghost: that's the thing, she's worded more like darkhawk .. and daredevil works vs darkhawk fine.

    so some clarification is needed.
    Darkhawk             Stealth mode: incoming light/med attacks have 30% chance to miss
Ghost                phasing: incoming attacks have 100% chance to miss
Guillotine 2099      Digi-cloak: causes all unblocked attacks to miss
Invisible Woman      invisible: incoming attacks have 100% chance to miss (not blocking/dodging)
Mysterio             illusion: all incoming attacks have 25% miss chance
The Hood             invisible: incoming attacks have a 45% chance to miss
    So Invisible Woman, Hood, and Mysterio seem obvious - Daredevil should be able to ignore those.
    Ghost is obvious ... he can't bypass that.

    Darkhawk, however, like Guillotine 2099, does not mention invisible, and use very similar wording.
    Darkhawk is bypassed, Guillotine 2099 is not.
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Posts: 13,760 ★★★★★
    So, this is a weird one.

    If we go by logic and ingame abilities, Daredevil shouldn't be able to counter miss mechanics, of any champion.
    And the reason is simple. Because he does not have such ability, and countering it would be classified as a bug, or a non-intended feature.

    The developer's already confirmed that despite not being an ability on Daredevil's part, is an exception created by the opponent's attack/ability. And for the case of Guillotine 2099, they also stated that this interaction would be brought up to match the other miss mechanic abilities in the game. Don't know if it ever changed and was now reverted for some reason.

    I'm not too sure what's the intended behaviour should be here, since it's one of those poor easter-eggs that the developer's decided to add instead of creating a line of text on a champion ability list.
  • MagrailothosMagrailothos Posts: 5,348 ★★★★★
    edited July 2020
    The issue is partly that the Daredevil thing was an Easter Egg ability they probably ought to make visible on his ability sheet; but primarily that 'Miss' is a game mechanic covering a mish-match of abilities:
    • Invisible Woman - Invisibility, clearly
    • Hood - Invisibility, clearly
    • Darkhawk - Probably partial invisibility, since DD bypasses it
    • Mysterio - Illusion/misdirection
    • Loki (Ghulk synergy) - Presumably Illusion/misdirection
    • Guillotine 2099 - Presumably Illusion/misdirection
    • Ghost - Phasing
    • Silver Surfer - Phasing
    • Tigra - Some kind of magical evasion? Who knows?
    Long-term, it would probably be wise of the game team to take a look at this, as there's definite logical inconsistencies between who counters what:
    • Daredevil counters invisibility, but for some reason, not illusions (which he should)
    • Human Torch can burn so hot, he doesn't miss things that are invisible (Um, what? Sorry? How does this work?)
    • Whilst Nick Fury can use 'tactics' (and Falcon can use scanning tech) to counter every single one of these, including hitting Ghost whilst she's in an altered physical state of being...
    I expect this to get sorted out around the same time Iceman gets immunity to Coldsnap, Ghost Rider becomes Incinerate Immune, and someone finally asks the question 'Why isn't Magik immune to another Magik's Limbo effect?'
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