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Black Widow bug

CammonRoCammonRo Posts: 377 ★★
in Bugs and Known Issues
I don't know if many people use BW since she was gutted but I've observed recently that her specials don't always activate her crit boosts like they used to. It's a similar bug to Beast where you unleash a special and simply nothing happens. Just happened to me today fighting Ant-Man. Can this please be investigated?

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    Jon8299Jon8299 Posts: 1,067 ★★★
    Was Ant-Man duped?

    Also I think it has to do with CR and DR. So stuff doesn't stack as well. Meaning less crits on crit buffs. At least that what I think.
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    CammonRoCammonRo Posts: 377 ★★
    What I mean is her yellow buffs didn't even activate. Ant-man was duped but Glancing only affects the crit chance/damage - it shouldn't completely nullify her abilities. He's not Doctor Strange. Neither should challenger rating. Not sure what DR is?
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    Jon8299Jon8299 Posts: 1,067 ★★★
    DR is Diminishing Returns. Not sure if Kabam ever finished explaining what CR and DR are and do exactly. There was supposed to be a chart.

    Anyways, it sounds like she is bugged.
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    CammonRoCammonRo Posts: 377 ★★
    Ah right - forgot about that one. Some clarity on that would be helpful I agree. But yeah this seems like a bug.
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    Fpaez87Fpaez87 Posts: 24 ★
    It's not a bug, antman sig ability reduces enemy offensive ability accuracy, fight against a highly duped antman and you'll notice offensive abilities not triggering, like bleeds, stuns, shocks, black widows subtlety, etc.
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    Jon8299Jon8299 Posts: 1,067 ★★★
    Fpaez87 wrote: »
    It's not a bug, antman sig ability reduces enemy offensive ability accuracy, fight against a highly duped antman and you'll notice offensive abilities not triggering, like bleeds, stuns, shocks, black widows subtlety, etc.

    The issue is with the Precision and Cruelty buffs icons not popping up.
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    Arus25Arus25 Posts: 158 ★
    If the offensive abilities is reduce till it wont activate

    How is it possible u see the buff appear
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    Jon8299Jon8299 Posts: 1,067 ★★★
    Arus25 wrote: »
    If the offensive abilities is reduce till it wont activate

    How is it possible u see the buff appear

    Timing is everything with Ant-Man, although as soon as you activate Black Widow special, the buffs icon should appear. It depends, on just how AM sig actually works.
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    Arus25Arus25 Posts: 158 ★
    No it did not

    I tried usinf vision age of ultron sp2 on antman

    I sp2 for 5 in a row
    Not a single time power drain is activated

    Antman skills have priority in time.
    Therefore the buff wont even appear at all
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    Arus25Arus25 Posts: 158 ★
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    Arus25 wrote: »
    If the offensive abilities is reduce till it wont activate

    How is it possible u see the buff appear

    Timing is everything with Ant-Man, although as soon as you activate Black Widow special, the buffs icon should appear. It depends, on just how AM sig actually works.

    It appear means it is activate
    But antman skills is not allow it to activate
    Not deactivate it after it is activate
    So you should not see it even in the first place
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    Jon8299Jon8299 Posts: 1,067 ★★★
    However the chance to glance never reaches 100% though, but I guess even at sig 99 it should be high enough to prevent buff from appearing, unless Black Widow is bugged. We really need an official answer to this.
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    Arus25Arus25 Posts: 158 ★
    Well you see
    Even vision power drain should be 100% can be glance for 5 in a row

    What is bw
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    Jon8299Jon8299 Posts: 1,067 ★★★
    I think Black Widows buff icons should appear, the resulting damage should be effected by Ant- Mans glancing not the buff icons themselves. Something like regen I could see not activating off of attacks to Ant-Man.
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    Fpaez87Fpaez87 Posts: 24 ★
    Her cruelty and precision buffs are offensive abilities, therefore if the first hit of her special is glanced, they won't trigger, if you want to trigger her buffs, try timing your specials in a way that the first hit won't land, that way the buffs will trigger.
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    Jon8299Jon8299 Posts: 1,067 ★★★
    That makes sense
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    Fpaez87Fpaez87 Posts: 24 ★
    I forgot to mention that antman can't glance your special 3, so black widow will trigger her buffs and have a chance to stun him.
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    RotmgmoddyRotmgmoddy Posts: 916 ★★★
    Jon8299 wrote: »
    Was Ant-Man duped?

    Also I think it has to do with CR and DR. So stuff doesn't stack as well. Meaning less crits on crit buffs. At least that what I think.

    The OP said that sometimes, nothing happens when a special is triggered. Therefore, diminishing returns is DEFINITELY not the answer, because diminishing returns only affects flat stats such as health, attack, critical rating, etc. But NOT the chance to trigger something.

    As for challenger rating, I myself have not really understood what it really does. I know it affects stats depending on whether your CR is higher or lower than the opponent, but whether those stats include the chance of triggering something, I don't know.
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    Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Posts: 13,764 ★★★★★
    CW does the same this.
    They both reduce enemy's offensive ability accuracy, which is the chance of trigger something by using an attack.
    It works against attacks and special attacks.
    So, not a bug
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    CammonRoCammonRo Posts: 377 ★★
    edited September 2017
    Fpaez87 wrote: »
    Her cruelty and precision buffs are offensive abilities, therefore if the first hit of her special is glanced, they won't trigger, if you want to trigger her buffs, try timing your specials in a way that the first hit won't land, that way the buffs will trigger.

    Now that's interesting. I seem to remember this happening against other champs than Ant-Man but I'll have to test it more. I don't use her as much these days since her nerf.

    Vision however is a poor example because it is well known that he is bugged and has been for a while.
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