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NavieenNavieen Member Posts: 137 ★★




The alliance we have matched with in this war, has about double the rating of our alliance. How is the matchmaking even decided because this is very poor. Anyone else with the same problems?

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  • ItsDamienItsDamien Member Posts: 5,626 ★★★★★
    War rating. Simple.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,726 ★★★★★
    Yes, we're up for another Season of lopsided Matches until things bottom out. I had hoped another approach would have been taken, but here we are.
  • SnizzbarSnizzbar Member Posts: 2,234 ★★★★★

    inb4 flyingdumb

    Just in time too 😂😂😂
  • Thicco_ModeThicco_Mode Member Posts: 8,852 ★★★★★
    edited August 2020
    Snizzbar said:

    inb4 flyingdumb

    Just in time too 😂😂😂
    called it *dab*
    I'm a frikin wizard
  • ItsDamienItsDamien Member Posts: 5,626 ★★★★★

    Snizzbar said:

    inb4 flyingdumb

    Just in time too 😂😂😂
    called it *dab*
    I'm a frikin wizard
    It's like a dog whistle or a bat signal.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,726 ★★★★★
    Lormif said:

    Navieen said:





    The alliance we have matched with in this war, has about double the rating of our alliance. How is the matchmaking even decided because this is very poor. Anyone else with the same problems?

    what does total power have to do with war? You cannot use all of those champs.
    When one side is working with much more than the other, combined with Nodes and increases to said power that passes what's possible to win against, it matters. I know people like to think any skilled Player can get past anything, but there is a point where it's not possible based on what one side is working compared to the other.
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★

    Lormif said:

    Navieen said:





    The alliance we have matched with in this war, has about double the rating of our alliance. How is the matchmaking even decided because this is very poor. Anyone else with the same problems?

    what does total power have to do with war? You cannot use all of those champs.
    When one side is working with much more than the other, combined with Nodes and increases to said power that passes what's possible to win against, it matters. I know people like to think any skilled Player can get past anything, but there is a point where it's not possible based on what one side is working compared to the other.
    No, it really does not. They have a wider range of champions more than likely, but that does not mean they have a wider range of skill. And yes a skilled player CAN get past anything. You can have the best champion for any of those nodes at 6* rank 3 and a skilled player can walk through them with 4*s.
  • Colinwhitworth69Colinwhitworth69 Member Posts: 7,470 ★★★★★
    When this happens to my alliance, we just do the best we can and use it as practice against tough opponents. There are zero real stakes involved here, just virtual stuff you can win.
  • FiiNCHFiiNCH Member Posts: 1,681 ★★★★★

    inb4 flyingdumb

    Couldn’t have timed that more perfect 😂
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,726 ★★★★★
    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Navieen said:





    The alliance we have matched with in this war, has about double the rating of our alliance. How is the matchmaking even decided because this is very poor. Anyone else with the same problems?

    what does total power have to do with war? You cannot use all of those champs.
    When one side is working with much more than the other, combined with Nodes and increases to said power that passes what's possible to win against, it matters. I know people like to think any skilled Player can get past anything, but there is a point where it's not possible based on what one side is working compared to the other.
    No, it really does not. They have a wider range of champions more than likely, but that does not mean they have a wider range of skill. And yes a skilled player CAN get past anything. You can have the best champion for any of those nodes at 6* rank 3 and a skilled player can walk through them with 4*s.
    I don't know why people keep pretending it's just a number. They denote strengths and limitations as well. There's only a certain amount we can do with what we have, and that absolutely compares to what other people are using in War. Those limitations are exactly why the people who are benefiting from this are arguing for it, and I find it a bit contrary to say it's just a number. If that's the case, Prestige was just a number too, and people were stuck because they couldn't get past equal numbers. They're not just numbers. What an Alliance is working with is a representative of the strength they have. That can't be denied, and the irony is people made the judgment Alliances don't belong with higher Rewards because they have weaker Teams. A bit pick-and-choose if you ask me.
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Navieen said:





    The alliance we have matched with in this war, has about double the rating of our alliance. How is the matchmaking even decided because this is very poor. Anyone else with the same problems?

    what does total power have to do with war? You cannot use all of those champs.
    When one side is working with much more than the other, combined with Nodes and increases to said power that passes what's possible to win against, it matters. I know people like to think any skilled Player can get past anything, but there is a point where it's not possible based on what one side is working compared to the other.
    No, it really does not. They have a wider range of champions more than likely, but that does not mean they have a wider range of skill. And yes a skilled player CAN get past anything. You can have the best champion for any of those nodes at 6* rank 3 and a skilled player can walk through them with 4*s.
    I don't know why people keep pretending it's just a number. They denote strengths and limitations as well. There's only a certain amount we can do with what we have, and that absolutely compares to what other people are using in War. Those limitations are exactly why the people who are benefiting from this are arguing for it, and I find it a bit contrary to say it's just a number. If that's the case, Prestige was just a number too, and people were stuck because they couldn't get past equal numbers. They're not just numbers. What an Alliance is working with is a representative of the strength they have. That can't be denied, and the irony is people made the judgment Alliances don't belong with higher Rewards because they have weaker Teams. A bit pick-and-choose if you ask me.
    Your inability to show wisdom is not on us. Creating a false dilemma in which you argue that the people who are supporting this are the ones benefiting from it does not help your cause one bit. Prestige is a number, but that number does not have any bearing on skill. If I rank 3 a 6* sig 200 sunspot I will have a massive prestige bonus, but that will probably not translate into a skill bump, because he is only useful to attack with. If you look at the top of the prestige list you will see it is field with a lot of champions that dont have much use in war.

    What an alliance has to work with is one part, a small part, of their ability, because skill can overcome all of that.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,726 ★★★★★
    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Navieen said:





    The alliance we have matched with in this war, has about double the rating of our alliance. How is the matchmaking even decided because this is very poor. Anyone else with the same problems?

    what does total power have to do with war? You cannot use all of those champs.
    When one side is working with much more than the other, combined with Nodes and increases to said power that passes what's possible to win against, it matters. I know people like to think any skilled Player can get past anything, but there is a point where it's not possible based on what one side is working compared to the other.
    No, it really does not. They have a wider range of champions more than likely, but that does not mean they have a wider range of skill. And yes a skilled player CAN get past anything. You can have the best champion for any of those nodes at 6* rank 3 and a skilled player can walk through them with 4*s.
    I don't know why people keep pretending it's just a number. They denote strengths and limitations as well. There's only a certain amount we can do with what we have, and that absolutely compares to what other people are using in War. Those limitations are exactly why the people who are benefiting from this are arguing for it, and I find it a bit contrary to say it's just a number. If that's the case, Prestige was just a number too, and people were stuck because they couldn't get past equal numbers. They're not just numbers. What an Alliance is working with is a representative of the strength they have. That can't be denied, and the irony is people made the judgment Alliances don't belong with higher Rewards because they have weaker Teams. A bit pick-and-choose if you ask me.
    Your inability to show wisdom is not on us. Creating a false dilemma in which you argue that the people who are supporting this are the ones benefiting from it does not help your cause one bit. Prestige is a number, but that number does not have any bearing on skill. If I rank 3 a 6* sig 200 sunspot I will have a massive prestige bonus, but that will probably not translate into a skill bump, because he is only useful to attack with. If you look at the top of the prestige list you will see it is field with a lot of champions that dont have much use in war.

    What an alliance has to work with is one part, a small part, of their ability, because skill can overcome all of that.
    It's not a small part. It sets the level of challenge the other side has to come up against.
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Navieen said:





    The alliance we have matched with in this war, has about double the rating of our alliance. How is the matchmaking even decided because this is very poor. Anyone else with the same problems?

    what does total power have to do with war? You cannot use all of those champs.
    When one side is working with much more than the other, combined with Nodes and increases to said power that passes what's possible to win against, it matters. I know people like to think any skilled Player can get past anything, but there is a point where it's not possible based on what one side is working compared to the other.
    No, it really does not. They have a wider range of champions more than likely, but that does not mean they have a wider range of skill. And yes a skilled player CAN get past anything. You can have the best champion for any of those nodes at 6* rank 3 and a skilled player can walk through them with 4*s.
    I don't know why people keep pretending it's just a number. They denote strengths and limitations as well. There's only a certain amount we can do with what we have, and that absolutely compares to what other people are using in War. Those limitations are exactly why the people who are benefiting from this are arguing for it, and I find it a bit contrary to say it's just a number. If that's the case, Prestige was just a number too, and people were stuck because they couldn't get past equal numbers. They're not just numbers. What an Alliance is working with is a representative of the strength they have. That can't be denied, and the irony is people made the judgment Alliances don't belong with higher Rewards because they have weaker Teams. A bit pick-and-choose if you ask me.
    Your inability to show wisdom is not on us. Creating a false dilemma in which you argue that the people who are supporting this are the ones benefiting from it does not help your cause one bit. Prestige is a number, but that number does not have any bearing on skill. If I rank 3 a 6* sig 200 sunspot I will have a massive prestige bonus, but that will probably not translate into a skill bump, because he is only useful to attack with. If you look at the top of the prestige list you will see it is field with a lot of champions that dont have much use in war.

    What an alliance has to work with is one part, a small part, of their ability, because skill can overcome all of that.
    It's not a small part. It sets the level of challenge the other side has to come up against.
    And you can overcome that challenge with SKILL. Period, end stop.

    2 alliances, both able to 100% the path it is not going to come down to what champions they have, but what skill they had when clearing the nodes and their deaths vs their deaths. Diversity will come in as a tie breaker.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,726 ★★★★★
    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Navieen said:





    The alliance we have matched with in this war, has about double the rating of our alliance. How is the matchmaking even decided because this is very poor. Anyone else with the same problems?

    what does total power have to do with war? You cannot use all of those champs.
    When one side is working with much more than the other, combined with Nodes and increases to said power that passes what's possible to win against, it matters. I know people like to think any skilled Player can get past anything, but there is a point where it's not possible based on what one side is working compared to the other.
    No, it really does not. They have a wider range of champions more than likely, but that does not mean they have a wider range of skill. And yes a skilled player CAN get past anything. You can have the best champion for any of those nodes at 6* rank 3 and a skilled player can walk through them with 4*s.
    I don't know why people keep pretending it's just a number. They denote strengths and limitations as well. There's only a certain amount we can do with what we have, and that absolutely compares to what other people are using in War. Those limitations are exactly why the people who are benefiting from this are arguing for it, and I find it a bit contrary to say it's just a number. If that's the case, Prestige was just a number too, and people were stuck because they couldn't get past equal numbers. They're not just numbers. What an Alliance is working with is a representative of the strength they have. That can't be denied, and the irony is people made the judgment Alliances don't belong with higher Rewards because they have weaker Teams. A bit pick-and-choose if you ask me.
    Your inability to show wisdom is not on us. Creating a false dilemma in which you argue that the people who are supporting this are the ones benefiting from it does not help your cause one bit. Prestige is a number, but that number does not have any bearing on skill. If I rank 3 a 6* sig 200 sunspot I will have a massive prestige bonus, but that will probably not translate into a skill bump, because he is only useful to attack with. If you look at the top of the prestige list you will see it is field with a lot of champions that dont have much use in war.

    What an alliance has to work with is one part, a small part, of their ability, because skill can overcome all of that.
    It's not a small part. It sets the level of challenge the other side has to come up against.
    And you can overcome that challenge with SKILL. Period, end stop.

    2 alliances, both able to 100% the path it is not going to come down to what champions they have, but what skill they had when clearing the nodes and their deaths vs their deaths. Diversity will come in as a tie breaker.
    No, not really. That skill argument is blind to how War actually works. Had that been the case, Rewards should be proportionate to what you Fight. Win against an Alliance 3x weaker, get 3x less Rewards. Vice Versa for 3x stronger. It's not about skill at all. Let's just stop pretending a Trojan Horse is a Clydesdale. People have made the assumption that because their Rosters are bigger, they're more skilled. Now they're relying on overpowering people beyond reasonable competition and calling it skill. There's no skill in that at all. Just defaulting Wins by knocking people down with unwinnable Matches. No matter how you try to dress it up, an unfair fight is an unfair fight. Last Season, the justifications never stopped. "In a week or two, people will be where they belong.". Here we are on the second Season, and they're still happening and being brushed off. You can't pretend people don't matter forever.
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  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Navieen said:





    The alliance we have matched with in this war, has about double the rating of our alliance. How is the matchmaking even decided because this is very poor. Anyone else with the same problems?

    what does total power have to do with war? You cannot use all of those champs.
    When one side is working with much more than the other, combined with Nodes and increases to said power that passes what's possible to win against, it matters. I know people like to think any skilled Player can get past anything, but there is a point where it's not possible based on what one side is working compared to the other.
    No, it really does not. They have a wider range of champions more than likely, but that does not mean they have a wider range of skill. And yes a skilled player CAN get past anything. You can have the best champion for any of those nodes at 6* rank 3 and a skilled player can walk through them with 4*s.
    I don't know why people keep pretending it's just a number. They denote strengths and limitations as well. There's only a certain amount we can do with what we have, and that absolutely compares to what other people are using in War. Those limitations are exactly why the people who are benefiting from this are arguing for it, and I find it a bit contrary to say it's just a number. If that's the case, Prestige was just a number too, and people were stuck because they couldn't get past equal numbers. They're not just numbers. What an Alliance is working with is a representative of the strength they have. That can't be denied, and the irony is people made the judgment Alliances don't belong with higher Rewards because they have weaker Teams. A bit pick-and-choose if you ask me.
    Your inability to show wisdom is not on us. Creating a false dilemma in which you argue that the people who are supporting this are the ones benefiting from it does not help your cause one bit. Prestige is a number, but that number does not have any bearing on skill. If I rank 3 a 6* sig 200 sunspot I will have a massive prestige bonus, but that will probably not translate into a skill bump, because he is only useful to attack with. If you look at the top of the prestige list you will see it is field with a lot of champions that dont have much use in war.

    What an alliance has to work with is one part, a small part, of their ability, because skill can overcome all of that.
    It's not a small part. It sets the level of challenge the other side has to come up against.
    And you can overcome that challenge with SKILL. Period, end stop.

    2 alliances, both able to 100% the path it is not going to come down to what champions they have, but what skill they had when clearing the nodes and their deaths vs their deaths. Diversity will come in as a tie breaker.
    No, not really. That skill argument is blind to how War actually works. Had that been the case, Rewards should be proportionate to what you Fight. Win against an Alliance 3x weaker, get 3x less Rewards. Vice Versa for 3x stronger. It's not about skill at all. Let's just stop pretending a Trojan Horse is a Clydesdale. People have made the assumption that because their Rosters are bigger, they're more skilled. Now they're relying on overpowering people beyond reasonable competition and calling it skill. There's no skill in that at all. Just defaulting Wins by knocking people down with unwinnable Matches. No matter how you try to dress it up, an unfair fight is an unfair fight. Last Season, the justifications never stopped. "In a week or two, people will be where they belong.". Here we are on the second Season, and they're still happening and being brushed off. You can't pretend people don't matter forever.
    Your argument is ridiculous. How rewards are distributed has no bearing on how wars fights actually work. In addition war rewards are already scalled basd on how you did.

    What is odd is NO ONE here is making the assumption that because a roster are bigger they are more skilled OTHER THAN YOU. If you are war rating 1600 you should be matched against people with similar ratings. Because even if your argument were somehow true, war rating still takes that into consideration.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,726 ★★★★★
    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Navieen said:





    The alliance we have matched with in this war, has about double the rating of our alliance. How is the matchmaking even decided because this is very poor. Anyone else with the same problems?

    what does total power have to do with war? You cannot use all of those champs.
    When one side is working with much more than the other, combined with Nodes and increases to said power that passes what's possible to win against, it matters. I know people like to think any skilled Player can get past anything, but there is a point where it's not possible based on what one side is working compared to the other.
    No, it really does not. They have a wider range of champions more than likely, but that does not mean they have a wider range of skill. And yes a skilled player CAN get past anything. You can have the best champion for any of those nodes at 6* rank 3 and a skilled player can walk through them with 4*s.
    I don't know why people keep pretending it's just a number. They denote strengths and limitations as well. There's only a certain amount we can do with what we have, and that absolutely compares to what other people are using in War. Those limitations are exactly why the people who are benefiting from this are arguing for it, and I find it a bit contrary to say it's just a number. If that's the case, Prestige was just a number too, and people were stuck because they couldn't get past equal numbers. They're not just numbers. What an Alliance is working with is a representative of the strength they have. That can't be denied, and the irony is people made the judgment Alliances don't belong with higher Rewards because they have weaker Teams. A bit pick-and-choose if you ask me.
    Your inability to show wisdom is not on us. Creating a false dilemma in which you argue that the people who are supporting this are the ones benefiting from it does not help your cause one bit. Prestige is a number, but that number does not have any bearing on skill. If I rank 3 a 6* sig 200 sunspot I will have a massive prestige bonus, but that will probably not translate into a skill bump, because he is only useful to attack with. If you look at the top of the prestige list you will see it is field with a lot of champions that dont have much use in war.

    What an alliance has to work with is one part, a small part, of their ability, because skill can overcome all of that.
    It's not a small part. It sets the level of challenge the other side has to come up against.
    And you can overcome that challenge with SKILL. Period, end stop.

    2 alliances, both able to 100% the path it is not going to come down to what champions they have, but what skill they had when clearing the nodes and their deaths vs their deaths. Diversity will come in as a tie breaker.
    No, not really. That skill argument is blind to how War actually works. Had that been the case, Rewards should be proportionate to what you Fight. Win against an Alliance 3x weaker, get 3x less Rewards. Vice Versa for 3x stronger. It's not about skill at all. Let's just stop pretending a Trojan Horse is a Clydesdale. People have made the assumption that because their Rosters are bigger, they're more skilled. Now they're relying on overpowering people beyond reasonable competition and calling it skill. There's no skill in that at all. Just defaulting Wins by knocking people down with unwinnable Matches. No matter how you try to dress it up, an unfair fight is an unfair fight. Last Season, the justifications never stopped. "In a week or two, people will be where they belong.". Here we are on the second Season, and they're still happening and being brushed off. You can't pretend people don't matter forever.
    Your argument is ridiculous. How rewards are distributed has no bearing on how wars fights actually work. In addition war rewards are already scalled basd on how you did.

    What is odd is NO ONE here is making the assumption that because a roster are bigger they are more skilled OTHER THAN YOU. If you are war rating 1600 you should be matched against people with similar ratings. Because even if your argument were somehow true, war rating still takes that into consideration.
    Hmm....could you repeat that again? How rewards are distributed has no bearing on how wars fights actually work....
    Pretty sure I made that same point when people argued the Brackets contained Alliances that they never fought against.
    I'm not sure what you've been seeing until last Season, but War Rating wasn't the main focus. It doesn't automatically become the only thing that matters just because they switched focus. Saying it's all that matters and everything is fine just ignores the imbalances happening right now because something else was used for many Seasons. The effects of that don't go away and don't become fair just because a system used now used to be fair before it was manipulated and set aside. War Rating is not fair in the current state.
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Navieen said:





    The alliance we have matched with in this war, has about double the rating of our alliance. How is the matchmaking even decided because this is very poor. Anyone else with the same problems?

    what does total power have to do with war? You cannot use all of those champs.
    When one side is working with much more than the other, combined with Nodes and increases to said power that passes what's possible to win against, it matters. I know people like to think any skilled Player can get past anything, but there is a point where it's not possible based on what one side is working compared to the other.
    No, it really does not. They have a wider range of champions more than likely, but that does not mean they have a wider range of skill. And yes a skilled player CAN get past anything. You can have the best champion for any of those nodes at 6* rank 3 and a skilled player can walk through them with 4*s.
    I don't know why people keep pretending it's just a number. They denote strengths and limitations as well. There's only a certain amount we can do with what we have, and that absolutely compares to what other people are using in War. Those limitations are exactly why the people who are benefiting from this are arguing for it, and I find it a bit contrary to say it's just a number. If that's the case, Prestige was just a number too, and people were stuck because they couldn't get past equal numbers. They're not just numbers. What an Alliance is working with is a representative of the strength they have. That can't be denied, and the irony is people made the judgment Alliances don't belong with higher Rewards because they have weaker Teams. A bit pick-and-choose if you ask me.
    Your inability to show wisdom is not on us. Creating a false dilemma in which you argue that the people who are supporting this are the ones benefiting from it does not help your cause one bit. Prestige is a number, but that number does not have any bearing on skill. If I rank 3 a 6* sig 200 sunspot I will have a massive prestige bonus, but that will probably not translate into a skill bump, because he is only useful to attack with. If you look at the top of the prestige list you will see it is field with a lot of champions that dont have much use in war.

    What an alliance has to work with is one part, a small part, of their ability, because skill can overcome all of that.
    It's not a small part. It sets the level of challenge the other side has to come up against.
    And you can overcome that challenge with SKILL. Period, end stop.

    2 alliances, both able to 100% the path it is not going to come down to what champions they have, but what skill they had when clearing the nodes and their deaths vs their deaths. Diversity will come in as a tie breaker.
    No, not really. That skill argument is blind to how War actually works. Had that been the case, Rewards should be proportionate to what you Fight. Win against an Alliance 3x weaker, get 3x less Rewards. Vice Versa for 3x stronger. It's not about skill at all. Let's just stop pretending a Trojan Horse is a Clydesdale. People have made the assumption that because their Rosters are bigger, they're more skilled. Now they're relying on overpowering people beyond reasonable competition and calling it skill. There's no skill in that at all. Just defaulting Wins by knocking people down with unwinnable Matches. No matter how you try to dress it up, an unfair fight is an unfair fight. Last Season, the justifications never stopped. "In a week or two, people will be where they belong.". Here we are on the second Season, and they're still happening and being brushed off. You can't pretend people don't matter forever.
    Your argument is ridiculous. How rewards are distributed has no bearing on how wars fights actually work. In addition war rewards are already scalled basd on how you did.

    What is odd is NO ONE here is making the assumption that because a roster are bigger they are more skilled OTHER THAN YOU. If you are war rating 1600 you should be matched against people with similar ratings. Because even if your argument were somehow true, war rating still takes that into consideration.
    Hmm....could you repeat that again? How rewards are distributed has no bearing on how wars fights actually work....
    Pretty sure I made that same point when people argued the Brackets contained Alliances that they never fought against.
    I'm not sure what you've been seeing until last Season, but War Rating wasn't the main focus. It doesn't automatically become the only thing that matters just because they switched focus. Saying it's all that matters and everything is fine just ignores the imbalances happening right now because something else was used for many Seasons. The effects of that don't go away and don't become fair just because a system used now used to be fair before it was manipulated and set aside. War Rating is not fair in the current state.
    Dude, one of the posts you are currently arguing on is a war between 2 plat 2 alliances. Who do you expect the second plat2 alliance to fight, someone in gold 2? plat 4? Bada$$ warriors were gold 3 last season, maybe the larger of the 2 plat 2 alliances should fight them since they have the same relative power, despite massive apparent differences in skill? How would that be fair to anyone but the top guilds? That is how the old system worked.

    Your total power does not mean much, it is a rating of potential, not skill, and even then there is a cap on potential that is much lower than the roaster.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,726 ★★★★★
    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Navieen said:





    The alliance we have matched with in this war, has about double the rating of our alliance. How is the matchmaking even decided because this is very poor. Anyone else with the same problems?

    what does total power have to do with war? You cannot use all of those champs.
    When one side is working with much more than the other, combined with Nodes and increases to said power that passes what's possible to win against, it matters. I know people like to think any skilled Player can get past anything, but there is a point where it's not possible based on what one side is working compared to the other.
    No, it really does not. They have a wider range of champions more than likely, but that does not mean they have a wider range of skill. And yes a skilled player CAN get past anything. You can have the best champion for any of those nodes at 6* rank 3 and a skilled player can walk through them with 4*s.
    I don't know why people keep pretending it's just a number. They denote strengths and limitations as well. There's only a certain amount we can do with what we have, and that absolutely compares to what other people are using in War. Those limitations are exactly why the people who are benefiting from this are arguing for it, and I find it a bit contrary to say it's just a number. If that's the case, Prestige was just a number too, and people were stuck because they couldn't get past equal numbers. They're not just numbers. What an Alliance is working with is a representative of the strength they have. That can't be denied, and the irony is people made the judgment Alliances don't belong with higher Rewards because they have weaker Teams. A bit pick-and-choose if you ask me.
    Your inability to show wisdom is not on us. Creating a false dilemma in which you argue that the people who are supporting this are the ones benefiting from it does not help your cause one bit. Prestige is a number, but that number does not have any bearing on skill. If I rank 3 a 6* sig 200 sunspot I will have a massive prestige bonus, but that will probably not translate into a skill bump, because he is only useful to attack with. If you look at the top of the prestige list you will see it is field with a lot of champions that dont have much use in war.

    What an alliance has to work with is one part, a small part, of their ability, because skill can overcome all of that.
    It's not a small part. It sets the level of challenge the other side has to come up against.
    And you can overcome that challenge with SKILL. Period, end stop.

    2 alliances, both able to 100% the path it is not going to come down to what champions they have, but what skill they had when clearing the nodes and their deaths vs their deaths. Diversity will come in as a tie breaker.
    No, not really. That skill argument is blind to how War actually works. Had that been the case, Rewards should be proportionate to what you Fight. Win against an Alliance 3x weaker, get 3x less Rewards. Vice Versa for 3x stronger. It's not about skill at all. Let's just stop pretending a Trojan Horse is a Clydesdale. People have made the assumption that because their Rosters are bigger, they're more skilled. Now they're relying on overpowering people beyond reasonable competition and calling it skill. There's no skill in that at all. Just defaulting Wins by knocking people down with unwinnable Matches. No matter how you try to dress it up, an unfair fight is an unfair fight. Last Season, the justifications never stopped. "In a week or two, people will be where they belong.". Here we are on the second Season, and they're still happening and being brushed off. You can't pretend people don't matter forever.
    Your argument is ridiculous. How rewards are distributed has no bearing on how wars fights actually work. In addition war rewards are already scalled basd on how you did.

    What is odd is NO ONE here is making the assumption that because a roster are bigger they are more skilled OTHER THAN YOU. If you are war rating 1600 you should be matched against people with similar ratings. Because even if your argument were somehow true, war rating still takes that into consideration.
    Hmm....could you repeat that again? How rewards are distributed has no bearing on how wars fights actually work....
    Pretty sure I made that same point when people argued the Brackets contained Alliances that they never fought against.
    I'm not sure what you've been seeing until last Season, but War Rating wasn't the main focus. It doesn't automatically become the only thing that matters just because they switched focus. Saying it's all that matters and everything is fine just ignores the imbalances happening right now because something else was used for many Seasons. The effects of that don't go away and don't become fair just because a system used now used to be fair before it was manipulated and set aside. War Rating is not fair in the current state.
    Dude, one of the posts you are currently arguing on is a war between 2 plat 2 alliances. Who do you expect the second plat2 alliance to fight, someone in gold 2? plat 4? Bada$$ warriors were gold 3 last season, maybe the larger of the 2 plat 2 alliances should fight them since they have the same relative power, despite massive apparent differences in skill? How would that be fair to anyone but the top guilds? That is how the old system worked.

    Your total power does not mean much, it is a rating of potential, not skill, and even then there is a cap on potential that is much lower than the roaster.
    Your total power does mean something. I don't know how people can say it doesn't. I don't know if people think they're Gods, or they don't see the incredible irony in arguing that Alliances can't be as skilled as they are because they are weaker and in the same breath say power is just a number, but regardless, it matters.
    I'm talking about the vast differences in what people are working with, and that absolutely has an effect in War. What you place in Defense has an effect on the other side, and the strength of that can denote whether it's a fair fight or not.
    This entire revert was brought about my the fact that people complained that lower Allies were getting better Rewards, and people knew for a fact if they came up against them, they'd lose. Based on what they had. That's a fact. The argument that it doesn't matter won't go over with me.
  • GreekhitGreekhit Member Posts: 2,820 ★★★★★
    Navieen said:





    The alliance we have matched with in this war, has about double the rating of our alliance. How is the matchmaking even decided because this is very poor. Anyone else with the same problems?

    The 35mil ally has been shafted here.
    They are matching an opponent with higher war rating 🤣
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Lormif said:

    Navieen said:





    The alliance we have matched with in this war, has about double the rating of our alliance. How is the matchmaking even decided because this is very poor. Anyone else with the same problems?

    what does total power have to do with war? You cannot use all of those champs.
    When one side is working with much more than the other, combined with Nodes and increases to said power that passes what's possible to win against, it matters. I know people like to think any skilled Player can get past anything, but there is a point where it's not possible based on what one side is working compared to the other.
    No, it really does not. They have a wider range of champions more than likely, but that does not mean they have a wider range of skill. And yes a skilled player CAN get past anything. You can have the best champion for any of those nodes at 6* rank 3 and a skilled player can walk through them with 4*s.
    I don't know why people keep pretending it's just a number. They denote strengths and limitations as well. There's only a certain amount we can do with what we have, and that absolutely compares to what other people are using in War. Those limitations are exactly why the people who are benefiting from this are arguing for it, and I find it a bit contrary to say it's just a number. If that's the case, Prestige was just a number too, and people were stuck because they couldn't get past equal numbers. They're not just numbers. What an Alliance is working with is a representative of the strength they have. That can't be denied, and the irony is people made the judgment Alliances don't belong with higher Rewards because they have weaker Teams. A bit pick-and-choose if you ask me.
    Your inability to show wisdom is not on us. Creating a false dilemma in which you argue that the people who are supporting this are the ones benefiting from it does not help your cause one bit. Prestige is a number, but that number does not have any bearing on skill. If I rank 3 a 6* sig 200 sunspot I will have a massive prestige bonus, but that will probably not translate into a skill bump, because he is only useful to attack with. If you look at the top of the prestige list you will see it is field with a lot of champions that dont have much use in war.

    What an alliance has to work with is one part, a small part, of their ability, because skill can overcome all of that.
    It's not a small part. It sets the level of challenge the other side has to come up against.
    And you can overcome that challenge with SKILL. Period, end stop.

    2 alliances, both able to 100% the path it is not going to come down to what champions they have, but what skill they had when clearing the nodes and their deaths vs their deaths. Diversity will come in as a tie breaker.
    No, not really. That skill argument is blind to how War actually works. Had that been the case, Rewards should be proportionate to what you Fight. Win against an Alliance 3x weaker, get 3x less Rewards. Vice Versa for 3x stronger. It's not about skill at all. Let's just stop pretending a Trojan Horse is a Clydesdale. People have made the assumption that because their Rosters are bigger, they're more skilled. Now they're relying on overpowering people beyond reasonable competition and calling it skill. There's no skill in that at all. Just defaulting Wins by knocking people down with unwinnable Matches. No matter how you try to dress it up, an unfair fight is an unfair fight. Last Season, the justifications never stopped. "In a week or two, people will be where they belong.". Here we are on the second Season, and they're still happening and being brushed off. You can't pretend people don't matter forever.
    Your argument is ridiculous. How rewards are distributed has no bearing on how wars fights actually work. In addition war rewards are already scalled basd on how you did.

    What is odd is NO ONE here is making the assumption that because a roster are bigger they are more skilled OTHER THAN YOU. If you are war rating 1600 you should be matched against people with similar ratings. Because even if your argument were somehow true, war rating still takes that into consideration.
    Hmm....could you repeat that again? How rewards are distributed has no bearing on how wars fights actually work....
    Pretty sure I made that same point when people argued the Brackets contained Alliances that they never fought against.
    I'm not sure what you've been seeing until last Season, but War Rating wasn't the main focus. It doesn't automatically become the only thing that matters just because they switched focus. Saying it's all that matters and everything is fine just ignores the imbalances happening right now because something else was used for many Seasons. The effects of that don't go away and don't become fair just because a system used now used to be fair before it was manipulated and set aside. War Rating is not fair in the current state.
    Dude, one of the posts you are currently arguing on is a war between 2 plat 2 alliances. Who do you expect the second plat2 alliance to fight, someone in gold 2? plat 4? Bada$$ warriors were gold 3 last season, maybe the larger of the 2 plat 2 alliances should fight them since they have the same relative power, despite massive apparent differences in skill? How would that be fair to anyone but the top guilds? That is how the old system worked.

    Your total power does not mean much, it is a rating of potential, not skill, and even then there is a cap on potential that is much lower than the roaster.
    Your total power does mean something. I don't know how people can say it doesn't. I don't know if people think they're Gods, or they don't see the incredible irony in arguing that Alliances can't be as skilled as they are because they are weaker and in the same breath say power is just a number, but regardless, it matters.
    I'm talking about the vast differences in what people are working with, and that absolutely has an effect in War. What you place in Defense has an effect on the other side, and the strength of that can denote whether it's a fair fight or not.
    This entire revert was brought about my the fact that people complained that lower Allies were getting better Rewards, and people knew for a fact if they came up against them, they'd lose. Based on what they had. That's a fact. The argument that it doesn't matter won't go over with me.
    I dont know how you cannot see the incredible irony in your own post..... The only one stating that they cannot be as skilled as someone else is because they are weaker is literally only you.


    PI means something, it generates a range of potential, however there is a cap to that potential. Once the 2 alliances have the 8 top 6* champs that they want to use for war none of the other champs matter. If I have every champ in the game at max rank and skill level, that does not matter, only the 8 I use matter. Also just because I have every other 6* champ but god tier champs can play to a high pi, but a low potential, because I dont have the good champs but I sure as heck have a high pi.

    Trying to argue that you should prioritize PI just makes no logical sense.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,726 ★★★★★
    This is getting argumentative. We all know it matters. We've known that since Defender Kills won Wars. I'm just going to agree to disagree because I'm not going to pretend all is well, and I'm not going to ignore the effects. This effect is still going on and I wished it was handled differently because we won't have a true Season measurement until it's balanced out again. Until then, people will still have to lose so others can be happy, and I don't agree with it at all. There's no reasoning that can call that fair in my mind. Periodt.
  • LormifLormif Member Posts: 7,369 ★★★★★

    This is getting argumentative. We all know it matters. We've known that since Defender Kills won Wars. I'm just going to agree to disagree because I'm not going to pretend all is well, and I'm not going to ignore the effects. This effect is still going on and I wished it was handled differently because we won't have a true Season measurement until it's balanced out again. Until then, people will still have to lose so others can be happy, and I don't agree with it at all. There's no reasoning that can call that fair in my mind. Periodt.

    The current effects are gold 3 rated alliances are fighting gold 3 rated alliances and plat 2 fighting plat 2, instead of plat 2 alliances fighting gold 3 because of prestige.
  • GreekhitGreekhit Member Posts: 2,820 ★★★★★
    Lormif said:

    This is getting argumentative. We all know it matters. We've known that since Defender Kills won Wars. I'm just going to agree to disagree because I'm not going to pretend all is well, and I'm not going to ignore the effects. This effect is still going on and I wished it was handled differently because we won't have a true Season measurement until it's balanced out again. Until then, people will still have to lose so others can be happy, and I don't agree with it at all. There's no reasoning that can call that fair in my mind. Periodt.

    The current effects are gold 3 rated alliances are fighting gold 3 rated alliances and plat 2 fighting plat 2, instead of plat 2 alliances fighting gold 3 because of prestige.
    Haha. Try silver1 matching platinum4 allies due prestige matchmaking. Cause these were the matches my ally had at season 18 🤣
  • ABOMBABOMB Member Posts: 564 ★★★
    Navieen said:





    The alliance we have matched with in this war, has about double the rating of our alliance. How is the matchmaking even decided because this is very poor. Anyone else with the same problems?

    I feel your pain man..unfortunately its going to take much more time for war ratings to balance out which means heartache and disappointment for alliances on the short end of stick.
  • donbakerdonbaker Member Posts: 1
    What is with Aw mathcing. Matched against an alliance 3 times ours 2m to 6m. with doubel our prestige. can kabam fix this
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