Bans for Exploiting Bugs [MERGED THREADS]

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  • LormifLormif Posts: 7,291 ★★★★★
    Mcord117 said:

    Lormif said:

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    Arsoz said:

    Lormif said:

    Arsoz said:

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    Nakuul said:

    Bro I was legit ready to actually spend some of my money on some Prof X/Apoc cav crystals (my 2 favorite ever champs released in 1 month, 2nd was doom and mr fantastic but I wasn’t playing at the time) but nah not anymore, not after how Kabam handled this situation. And I’m sure many others are gonna become ftp after this just like me. Not worth giving Kabam my money. I feel bad for the people banned who had the sigil because they’re losing value from it every second.

    I don't feel bad for anyone that exploited. If they played by the rules, they wouldn't be "losing value" from anything.
    I feel bad for them because they have a 1 week ban, their alliances are being massively affected, and rightfully, their rewards are being removed. And if they’ve given money to Kabam before that must hurt even more. I just think that’s too much. The way Kabam handled this situation tells me that I can’t trust them enough with my money. That’s a different decision for everyone else to make but I’ve made up my mind.
    Lol yes evil Kabam for banning for exploits. I bet you think shoplifters and bank robbers shouldn't be arrested and charged either.

    Let the cheaters in the game. Kabam evil, cheaters good.
    Stop comparing crimes to abusing a bug they are not similar at all
    They break rules. They are the same..
    Killing someone and abusing a bug is not similar at this point youre just talking bs
    Where did i say "killing people"
    we are talking about crimes killing people is a crime
    Not all crimes are killing people, you created a straw man argument to accuse him of a false equivalency.
    Yes not all crimes are killing people



    But none of these are comparable to abusing a bug on a mobile game as its just data nothing that will effect the developers compared to shop lifting where you are robbing from a store which will affect the store owner since they dont have an unlimited amount of products unlike in mcoc where its shards and awakening gems are unlimited as its not physical but digital.

    Does not matter how it affects someone, it is still a “crime” In addition that store owner typically has insurance, thefts will be paid back to them, I used to run a dominos pizza, I knew when my drivers went out that even if they were robbed we would still get the money from our insurance so I focused on protecting the drivers.

    In addition cheating for resources does cost MCOC lost revenue.
    Lormif said:

    Rlay02 said:

    Nakuul said:

    They banned the allys to with that desition....all of those that talk in favor of kabam they have a 45 lvl account...we pay a lot of money to lose the season cause KABAMS ban is faster than aegons bug to be fixed....this is disrespect to the allys that be punished without reason....

    It's disrespectful to Kabam to exploit in their game. Maybe tell your members not to cheat.
    Well its their fault for making the bug in the first place ots their fault.
    So if you leave your door open I can come in and rob you and you will not call the cops? If so where do you live?
    Lormif said:

    Rlay02 said:

    Nakuul said:

    They banned the allys to with that desition....all of those that talk in favor of kabam they have a 45 lvl account...we pay a lot of money to lose the season cause KABAMS ban is faster than aegons bug to be fixed....this is disrespect to the allys that be punished without reason....

    It's disrespectful to Kabam to exploit in their game. Maybe tell your members not to cheat.
    Well its their fault for making the bug in the first place ots their fault.
    So if you leave your door open I can come in and rob you and you will not call the cops? If so where do you live?
    When you leave your house you always double check to make sure your door is locked. When a developer finishes an update they should double check to find bugs the only reason why you would forget to close your door is because you are in a rush so then its entirely your fault
    So if I don't tell my murderer that I don't want to be killed, and they kill me, it's my fault?
    Once agains this is just a false equivalency, this bug is like a cop accidentally leaving 10 lbs of meth in a jail cell with addicts and being angry at meth addicts for using it. The game is created with the purpose of addiction. It is how it generates income. Kabam holds the majority of fault here. Test what you release before you release it
    The majority did not exploit the bug, also you cannot test for every bug.
    Not every bug but please do not act like this was a complex one. The game is centered on quest and rewards. There are dozens of paths in act 6 with t2a sitting on them. You don’t get more t2a by redoing paths. This is basic. Players should not be running it more than once but more so, the game developer is responsible to ensure it has a clue what it is doing
    We dont know how complex the bug is, just how complex it is to exploit ther bug.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Posts: 2,033 ★★★★★
    edited September 4
    Yay, you get a high five for having good morals. Wait...but wouldn't expecting rewards for having good morals be considered greedy?

    Morals are so overrated anyway.
  • Xmas-MonkeXmas-Monke Posts: 4,803 ★★★★★
    They pretty much are going for anyone, VERY, very ᵥₑᵣᵧ few won't be banned
  • ReferenceReference Posts: 1,449 ★★★
    Midnite93 said:

    Yes but 31 awakening gems? Nope I doubt anyone will have time to collect that many lol

    wow 31 AGs!!!! amazing, although i dunno if kabam will take them back from the bug exploiters.
  • LormifLormif Posts: 7,291 ★★★★★
    Arsoz said:

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    Rlay02 said:

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    Unio77 said:

    YOU BREAK TOS, YOU GET PUNISHED

    SIMPLE

    I'd say that nearly everyone has exploited some game mechanic in their MCOC lifetime. Does everyone get punished? No.
    As a Police Officer would say if you use the excuse, "Exploiter: but all those other people are going faster than me and breaking the law... Officer: but I caught you."
    Not excusing their behavior. Just saying that everyone shouldn't be sh*tting on the people who exploited, because they've probably exploited some aspect of the game once in their MCOC lifetime.
    I have never exploited a bug. if anything seems fishy I question it.
    You've never forced quit a fight to save a revive? You've never used bugged champions to clear content more easily? You've seriously never exploited in any way?

    If not, then props to you.
    Nope, I dont find merit in cheating, it tarnishes the accomplishment.
    Hvae u quit a match before
    Define “quit a match” I will run out the time, because that is within the rules. I will use the quit function, because that is in the design, so you need to be clear on what you are talking about.
    Why dont u just accept that kabam messed up this isnt the first time this kond of thing happened
    I never stated kabam did not mess up. However just because someone messes up does not give another person the right to break the rules. Why cannot you just accept that players have a responsibility to obey the rules....
    Arsoz said:

    Lormif said:

    Arsoz said:

    Lormif said:

    Arsoz said:

    Arsoz said:

    Arsoz said:

    Nakuul said:

    Bro I was legit ready to actually spend some of my money on some Prof X/Apoc cav crystals (my 2 favorite ever champs released in 1 month, 2nd was doom and mr fantastic but I wasn’t playing at the time) but nah not anymore, not after how Kabam handled this situation. And I’m sure many others are gonna become ftp after this just like me. Not worth giving Kabam my money. I feel bad for the people banned who had the sigil because they’re losing value from it every second.

    I don't feel bad for anyone that exploited. If they played by the rules, they wouldn't be "losing value" from anything.
    I feel bad for them because they have a 1 week ban, their alliances are being massively affected, and rightfully, their rewards are being removed. And if they’ve given money to Kabam before that must hurt even more. I just think that’s too much. The way Kabam handled this situation tells me that I can’t trust them enough with my money. That’s a different decision for everyone else to make but I’ve made up my mind.
    Lol yes evil Kabam for banning for exploits. I bet you think shoplifters and bank robbers shouldn't be arrested and charged either.

    Let the cheaters in the game. Kabam evil, cheaters good.
    Stop comparing crimes to abusing a bug they are not similar at all
    They break rules. They are the same..
    Killing someone and abusing a bug is not similar at this point youre just talking bs
    Where did i say "killing people"
    we are talking about crimes killing people is a crime
    Not all crimes are killing people, you created a straw man argument to accuse him of a false equivalency.
    Yes not all crimes are killing people



    But none of these are comparable to abusing a bug on a mobile game as its just data nothing that will effect the developers compared to shop lifting where you are robbing from a store which will affect the store owner since they dont have an unlimited amount of products unlike in mcoc where its shards and awakening gems are unlimited as its not physical but digital.

    Does not matter how it affects someone, it is still a “crime” In addition that store owner typically has insurance, thefts will be paid back to them, I used to run a dominos pizza, I knew when my drivers went out that even if they were robbed we would still get the money from our insurance so I focused on protecting the drivers.

    In addition cheating for resources does cost MCOC lost revenue.
    Lormif said:

    Rlay02 said:

    Nakuul said:

    They banned the allys to with that desition....all of those that talk in favor of kabam they have a 45 lvl account...we pay a lot of money to lose the season cause KABAMS ban is faster than aegons bug to be fixed....this is disrespect to the allys that be punished without reason....

    It's disrespectful to Kabam to exploit in their game. Maybe tell your members not to cheat.
    Well its their fault for making the bug in the first place ots their fault.
    So if you leave your door open I can come in and rob you and you will not call the cops? If so where do you live?
    Lormif said:

    Rlay02 said:

    Nakuul said:

    They banned the allys to with that desition....all of those that talk in favor of kabam they have a 45 lvl account...we pay a lot of money to lose the season cause KABAMS ban is faster than aegons bug to be fixed....this is disrespect to the allys that be punished without reason....

    It's disrespectful to Kabam to exploit in their game. Maybe tell your members not to cheat.
    Well its their fault for making the bug in the first place ots their fault.
    So if you leave your door open I can come in and rob you and you will not call the cops? If so where do you live?
    When you leave your house you always double check to make sure your door is locked. When a developer finishes an update they should double check to find bugs the only reason why you would forget to close your door is because you are in a rush so then its entirely your fault
    Even if you are in a rush and forget the lock the door does not give a robber an excuse to rob you. Also there are a lot of people who do not lock their doors because they feel safe (country people)..

    In addition I can tell you are not a programmer, because it does not work that way, especially for complex code. There are so many possible paths for bugs developers cannot find all the bugs. There is not a single bit of complex code without bugs in it, and if you exploit that code you can get into trouble. Tell the cops that it is your banks fault their ATM had a bug you exploited to get more money then in your account, the court will still throw you in jail AND make you pay it back.
    Kabam can make a beta for new content like they do for new acts except invite regular players give them a week and see if they find any bugs in the event quests and side quest's
    To prevent people from violating the TOS? Or, ya know...people could just not, like, violate the TOS???
    No to prevent people from even doing the bug as there beta testers will report it to kabam and a fix would be made
    You really have no idea what you are talking about. Beta tests will find some bugs, probably, but not all. I mean act 6 was beta tested, and it still had bugs.
  • MaxGamingMaxGaming Posts: 2,184 ★★★★
    I dont want to be that guy but I think compensation is needed for all the stuff going on
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Posts: 2,033 ★★★★★

    We get to have more rewards since we get all the keys.

    You do realize that they can still get all the keys as well?
  • Vp14Vp14 Posts: 29

    We get to play the game 7 extra days over those who did.

    We get to get AQ/AW rewards.

    We get to get more 6* shards out of the Summoner Appreciation calendar.

    We get to have more rewards since we get all the keys.

    We get to make fun of those who got banned.

    And lastly we get to know we have higher morals than cheaters.

    Lol the quest isn't out. Maybe we have to wait 1 month for the island to be released
  • ReferenceReference Posts: 1,449 ★★★
    It is not very difficult to check via system about how many runs per account, just filtering process and it is very common in banking system world. I made that similar kind of request to my IT dept periodically given regulatory requirements.
  • Liss_Bliss_Liss_Bliss_ Posts: 1,404 ★★★★

    We get to have more rewards since we get all the keys.

    You do realize that they can still get all the keys as well?
    Actually no I didn’t realize the objectives stay for the entire event. I figured they were daily. My bad.
  • jp2835jp2835 Posts: 128
    Surely there needs to be rewarded for staying neural while others got 2-3 times
    Or
    Remove the rewards (if they consumed it , ban them temporarily)
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Posts: 2,033 ★★★★★
    MaxGaming said:

    I dont want to be that guy but I think compensation is needed for all the stuff going on

    What are you missing out on?
  • LormifLormif Posts: 7,291 ★★★★★
    Mcord117 said:

    Nakuul said:

    Mcord117 said:

    Lormif said:

    Mcord117 said:

    Arsoz said:

    Lormif said:

    Arsoz said:

    Lormif said:

    Arsoz said:

    Arsoz said:

    Arsoz said:

    Nakuul said:

    Bro I was legit ready to actually spend some of my money on some Prof X/Apoc cav crystals (my 2 favorite ever champs released in 1 month, 2nd was doom and mr fantastic but I wasn’t playing at the time) but nah not anymore, not after how Kabam handled this situation. And I’m sure many others are gonna become ftp after this just like me. Not worth giving Kabam my money. I feel bad for the people banned who had the sigil because they’re losing value from it every second.

    I don't feel bad for anyone that exploited. If they played by the rules, they wouldn't be "losing value" from anything.
    I feel bad for them because they have a 1 week ban, their alliances are being massively affected, and rightfully, their rewards are being removed. And if they’ve given money to Kabam before that must hurt even more. I just think that’s too much. The way Kabam handled this situation tells me that I can’t trust them enough with my money. That’s a different decision for everyone else to make but I’ve made up my mind.
    Lol yes evil Kabam for banning for exploits. I bet you think shoplifters and bank robbers shouldn't be arrested and charged either.

    Let the cheaters in the game. Kabam evil, cheaters good.
    Stop comparing crimes to abusing a bug they are not similar at all
    They break rules. They are the same..
    Killing someone and abusing a bug is not similar at this point youre just talking bs
    Where did i say "killing people"
    we are talking about crimes killing people is a crime
    Not all crimes are killing people, you created a straw man argument to accuse him of a false equivalency.
    Yes not all crimes are killing people



    But none of these are comparable to abusing a bug on a mobile game as its just data nothing that will effect the developers compared to shop lifting where you are robbing from a store which will affect the store owner since they dont have an unlimited amount of products unlike in mcoc where its shards and awakening gems are unlimited as its not physical but digital.

    Does not matter how it affects someone, it is still a “crime” In addition that store owner typically has insurance, thefts will be paid back to them, I used to run a dominos pizza, I knew when my drivers went out that even if they were robbed we would still get the money from our insurance so I focused on protecting the drivers.

    In addition cheating for resources does cost MCOC lost revenue.
    Lormif said:

    Rlay02 said:

    Nakuul said:

    They banned the allys to with that desition....all of those that talk in favor of kabam they have a 45 lvl account...we pay a lot of money to lose the season cause KABAMS ban is faster than aegons bug to be fixed....this is disrespect to the allys that be punished without reason....

    It's disrespectful to Kabam to exploit in their game. Maybe tell your members not to cheat.
    Well its their fault for making the bug in the first place ots their fault.
    So if you leave your door open I can come in and rob you and you will not call the cops? If so where do you live?
    Lormif said:

    Rlay02 said:

    Nakuul said:

    They banned the allys to with that desition....all of those that talk in favor of kabam they have a 45 lvl account...we pay a lot of money to lose the season cause KABAMS ban is faster than aegons bug to be fixed....this is disrespect to the allys that be punished without reason....

    It's disrespectful to Kabam to exploit in their game. Maybe tell your members not to cheat.
    Well its their fault for making the bug in the first place ots their fault.
    So if you leave your door open I can come in and rob you and you will not call the cops? If so where do you live?
    When you leave your house you always double check to make sure your door is locked. When a developer finishes an update they should double check to find bugs the only reason why you would forget to close your door is because you are in a rush so then its entirely your fault
    So if I don't tell my murderer that I don't want to be killed, and they kill me, it's my fault?
    Once agains this is just a false equivalency, this bug is like a cop accidentally leaving 10 lbs of meth in a jail cell with addicts and being angry at meth addicts for using it. The game is created with the purpose of addiction. It is how it generates income. Kabam holds the majority of fault here. Test what you release before you release it
    The majority did not exploit the bug, also you cannot test for every bug.
    Not every bug but please do not act like this was a complex one. The game is centered on quest and rewards. There are dozens of paths in act 6 with t2a sitting on them. You don’t get more t2a by redoing paths. This is basic. Players should not be running it more than once but more so, the game developer is responsible to ensure it has a clue what it is doing
    If the bug wasn't complex don't you think they'd have it fixed and the quest back up by now? Depending on the code it could be VERY complex. You have no way of knowing either way.
    Ok I get your point here but in my mind is what you are saying is they screwed up so tremendously that it is taking this long to fix. Every path in 6.4 has t2a. To the best of my knowledge no one is sitting on 1,000 t2a in stash. All the needed coding to prevent this is already in place
    That is not what they are saying. Just because a bug is complex does not mean that someone screwed up so tremendously.. The code is complex, there are tons of interactions, we dont know what the cause is, and it may take some work. A simple issue can cause a complex bug because the complexity is in how you implement the fix, and testing to make sure that it does not impact some other function that is calling it.

    Also there is not that much t2a in act 6
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 25,832 ★★★★★
    Nakuul said:

    Mcord117 said:

    Lormif said:

    Mcord117 said:

    Arsoz said:

    Lormif said:

    Arsoz said:

    Lormif said:

    Arsoz said:

    Arsoz said:

    Arsoz said:

    Nakuul said:

    Bro I was legit ready to actually spend some of my money on some Prof X/Apoc cav crystals (my 2 favorite ever champs released in 1 month, 2nd was doom and mr fantastic but I wasn’t playing at the time) but nah not anymore, not after how Kabam handled this situation. And I’m sure many others are gonna become ftp after this just like me. Not worth giving Kabam my money. I feel bad for the people banned who had the sigil because they’re losing value from it every second.

    I don't feel bad for anyone that exploited. If they played by the rules, they wouldn't be "losing value" from anything.
    I feel bad for them because they have a 1 week ban, their alliances are being massively affected, and rightfully, their rewards are being removed. And if they’ve given money to Kabam before that must hurt even more. I just think that’s too much. The way Kabam handled this situation tells me that I can’t trust them enough with my money. That’s a different decision for everyone else to make but I’ve made up my mind.
    Lol yes evil Kabam for banning for exploits. I bet you think shoplifters and bank robbers shouldn't be arrested and charged either.

    Let the cheaters in the game. Kabam evil, cheaters good.
    Stop comparing crimes to abusing a bug they are not similar at all
    They break rules. They are the same..
    Killing someone and abusing a bug is not similar at this point youre just talking bs
    Where did i say "killing people"
    we are talking about crimes killing people is a crime
    Not all crimes are killing people, you created a straw man argument to accuse him of a false equivalency.
    Yes not all crimes are killing people



    But none of these are comparable to abusing a bug on a mobile game as its just data nothing that will effect the developers compared to shop lifting where you are robbing from a store which will affect the store owner since they dont have an unlimited amount of products unlike in mcoc where its shards and awakening gems are unlimited as its not physical but digital.

    Does not matter how it affects someone, it is still a “crime” In addition that store owner typically has insurance, thefts will be paid back to them, I used to run a dominos pizza, I knew when my drivers went out that even if they were robbed we would still get the money from our insurance so I focused on protecting the drivers.

    In addition cheating for resources does cost MCOC lost revenue.
    Lormif said:

    Rlay02 said:

    Nakuul said:

    They banned the allys to with that desition....all of those that talk in favor of kabam they have a 45 lvl account...we pay a lot of money to lose the season cause KABAMS ban is faster than aegons bug to be fixed....this is disrespect to the allys that be punished without reason....

    It's disrespectful to Kabam to exploit in their game. Maybe tell your members not to cheat.
    Well its their fault for making the bug in the first place ots their fault.
    So if you leave your door open I can come in and rob you and you will not call the cops? If so where do you live?
    Lormif said:

    Rlay02 said:

    Nakuul said:

    They banned the allys to with that desition....all of those that talk in favor of kabam they have a 45 lvl account...we pay a lot of money to lose the season cause KABAMS ban is faster than aegons bug to be fixed....this is disrespect to the allys that be punished without reason....

    It's disrespectful to Kabam to exploit in their game. Maybe tell your members not to cheat.
    Well its their fault for making the bug in the first place ots their fault.
    So if you leave your door open I can come in and rob you and you will not call the cops? If so where do you live?
    When you leave your house you always double check to make sure your door is locked. When a developer finishes an update they should double check to find bugs the only reason why you would forget to close your door is because you are in a rush so then its entirely your fault
    So if I don't tell my murderer that I don't want to be killed, and they kill me, it's my fault?
    Once agains this is just a false equivalency, this bug is like a cop accidentally leaving 10 lbs of meth in a jail cell with addicts and being angry at meth addicts for using it. The game is created with the purpose of addiction. It is how it generates income. Kabam holds the majority of fault here. Test what you release before you release it
    The majority did not exploit the bug, also you cannot test for every bug.
    Not every bug but please do not act like this was a complex one. The game is centered on quest and rewards. There are dozens of paths in act 6 with t2a sitting on them. You don’t get more t2a by redoing paths. This is basic. Players should not be running it more than once but more so, the game developer is responsible to ensure it has a clue what it is doing
    If the bug wasn't complex don't you think they'd have it fixed and the quest back up by now? Depending on the code it could be VERY complex. You have no way of knowing either way.
    It could also be that they're keeping it down while they recoup the Rewards. I have no idea, just something that popped into my head.
  • Vp14Vp14 Posts: 29
    Hopefully seatin makes a video about it
    Then we all get free rewards for being loyal
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 11,243 Guardian

    People are mentioning hypocrisy, the only hypocrisy I see is fixing this so fast but leaving the backdraft bug (game breaking for many player). BTW I’m not siding with the banned cry babies, just something I noticed. What do ya think @DNA3000

    I'm not going to litigate the specifics on that one, but I'll tell you what I would do if I was running a game like this. The priority for bugs always has to be bugs that can be exploited by the players for excessive or unlimited gain. A bug that costs players in some way is bad, but it is also avoidable. Players can be informed the bug exists to mitigate the damage. A bug that generates rewards can't be mitigated in the same way, because you can't tell the players to just avoid a bug that generates rewards.

    In both cases, these bugs hurt *players*. Bugs that generate huge rewards are not "pro player" - that's just ludicrous. Both bugs that cost players and bugs that give unfair advantages to players are equally damaging to the players as a whole. So the priority are the ones that can do unlimited amount of damage. Bugs that impair the players cannot create unlimited damage. Bugs that allow some players to gain unlimited advantage over other players can do unlimited damage, and thus have to be acted upon as soon as possible.
  • Notsavage19Notsavage19 Posts: 2,033 ★★★★★
    Vp14 said:

    Hopefully seatin makes a video about it
    Then we all get free rewards for being loyal

    I disagree. Not exploiting doesn't show loyalty.

    Also, why should morally good behavior be rewarded?
  • Noodes_Noodes_ Posts: 67
    Likely. But also, I don’t really care. Doesn’t affect me
  • Thicco_ModeThicco_Mode Posts: 7,318 ★★★★★
    not hard for them to do and they did it
  • Vp14Vp14 Posts: 29

    Vp14 said:

    Hopefully seatin makes a video about it
    Then we all get free rewards for being loyal

    I disagree. Not exploiting doesn't show loyalty.

    Also, why should morally good behavior be rewarded?
    If you don't want rewards don't claim it 😝

    Lol exploited people still has advantage over us. Plus we had to wait alot to even play the event and it's still not out

    7 days ban is not enough as compared to 20 5strcrystal. 1 k units and 6str crystal for free
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 25,832 ★★★★★
    The reward for not breaking the rules is freedom from punishment.
  • BDVMBDVM Posts: 67
    Lots of pro-Kabam sounding comments so far ... interesting!!!
  • Vp14Vp14 Posts: 29

    The reward for not breaking the rules is freedom from punishment.

    That's the lame reward
  • NOOOOOOOOPEEEEENOOOOOOOOPEEEEE Posts: 2,583 ★★★★
    I'm pretty sure anyone who did like 2 times won't get banned And just have their rewards reversed
  • Liss_Bliss_Liss_Bliss_ Posts: 1,404 ★★★★
    Wouldn’t it be funny if Kabam rallied up all the cheated rewards and gave everyone who didn’t cheat those rewards? I’d die from laughter.

    Make it a common practice. They way people will be more apt to not cheat when an exploit is found.
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