Throne Breaker Title Discussion [Merged Threads]

What are your thoughts? I have mixed feelings on this.

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I really, really dislike the R3 six-star requirement.

- Completing 6.4 does not award enough T5CC to get an R3. For the title, you need to have obtained enough T5CC for an R3 through means above and beyond an initial clear.
- Unless and until you have been extraordinarily lucky with pulls, the T5CC you get from Act 6 exploration and Abyss completion have a high chance of being unusable.
- Absolutely no one is going to rank up a sub-optimal champion to be their first R3. Spare me the "well you COULD rank up a six star but you WON'T" argument.
- If people have pushed to do a first clear of 6.4 with R4 and R5 five-stars, their skill alone isn't enough to get them this title.
- Those who get unlucky with bad six-star pulls and/or unusable T5CC pulls have to wait for RNG to bless them with this title.

Please consider changing the requirement to something like three R2 six-stars instead.

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XSquad

Don't include Abyss into progression titles. It is side content that requires Aegon and 3-4K units per path. There is not a lot of skill involved just a marathon. It is like binge-watching Impractical Jokers, you are not learning anything and it is a huge waste of time and you only made 4 white guys richer.

Buttehrs

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
100% Abyss is still lower than we're aiming for, honestly. This title is aimed at people that probably already have teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but we want to make it more accessible. Again, this was originally going to be for somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at players with multiple Rank 3 Champions.

So, what happens in the next 2 or 3 chapters and theres another progression title? If this was originally aimed at a team of r3 6*, then will you be saying we need a r4 6* instead? People are completing these story acts with less power than what you obviously intended them for so why force us to have the higher power just to get a title that for all intensive purposes, let's you sell us more stuff.

Liss_Bliss_

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
100% Abyss is still lower than we're aiming for, honestly. This title is aimed at people that probably already have teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but we want to make it more accessible. Again, this was originally going to be for somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at players with multiple Rank 3 Champions.
Jesus Christ. At this point just make people sacrifice a limb lol. You're talking up a storm with this title being all important, for all this it better GIVE you a R3 6 Star every day lmfao.
I don't see where we're pushing this as all important. In fact, I've been pretty adamant that Summoners know that they don't have to do this right away.

Are you going to gate Black Friday and Cyber Monday deals with this new title?

That’s the issue many people are having.

If you’re not going to gate paid offers on 2 of the 3 biggest sales day of the year that’s fine. But if you are, you’re telling the community, tough luck.

DarkEternity

I really, really dislike the R3 six-star requirement.

- Completing 6.4 does not award enough T5CC to get an R3. For the title, you need to have obtained enough T5CC for an R3 through means above and beyond an initial clear.
- Unless and until you have been extraordinarily lucky with pulls, the T5CC you get from Act 6 exploration and Abyss completion have a high chance of being unusable.
- Absolutely no one is going to rank up a sub-optimal champion to be their first R3. Spare me the "well you COULD rank up a six star but you WON'T" argument.
- If people have pushed to do a first clear of 6.4 with R4 and R5 five-stars, their skill alone isn't enough to get them this title.
- Those who get unlucky with bad six-star pulls and/or unusable T5CC pulls have to wait for RNG to bless them with this title.

Please consider changing the requirement to something like three R2 six-stars instead.

I'd say either make it something like a certain amount of R5s or R5 equivalents OR make it 100% progression based like it should be. It should be based on 100% exploring Act 6 still imo but they obviously don't want to do that.

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Eternity0

I appreciate this and the benefits look awesome overall especially the ones you’ll be adding progressively overtime but I don’t understand the r3 restriction seriously I’ve had act 6 completed for a couple months now and I’m almost half way done with exploration and I did everything else else in the game accept abyss and I’m still only half way there too a tech and cosmic t5cc I feel like it shouldn’t have that restriction cuz most players th at just completed act6 won’t have a r3
I know that nobody wants to hear this, but if there's where you're at in progress, you're just simply not ready for this yet. This is not aimed at Summoners that are still completing this content.

You guys put a 4* Ban on act 6 saying 4* cant complete paths.. Guess what 5* r2 torch can melt your act6 opponents so WE AREN’T READY that decision is for us to make! Not you guys to slap it or force it on us

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DNA3000

So I don’t just have the resources for a rank 3 and have act 6 100%.... I have 2 SCIENCE T5CC..... given that I have no science I feel comfortable ranking as a 6*, I think it is a very bad choice to base a progression title on an RNG rank up material.
This is a choice that you have to make. You are under no pressure to choose one of those Champions if you don't want to. This title is not going anywhere. As T5CC become more common, you'll have more choices, but at this time, this is the way that we have decided to separate the next tier in a way that takes into account both your progression in-game, and your roster progression.
BUT WHY?? WHY IN THE GODDAMN WHY???

I was excited and wanted to make a push and then I saw the 6* requirements. It's just act 6 gates all over again.

We really thought you had moved past it. And it's not based on skill either. People with 100% act 6 now have to r3 champs they don't want because it obviously will make a difference in the rewards and gifts from hereon.
you´re wrong! nobody has to r3 champs they dont want to!
How else are they supposed to get throne breaker title.? There's another person here with o ly a skill t5cc and no skill champs to use it on. What will they do?
i guess wait for the right champ. or would u r3 a meh champ for a stupid title? no, you r3 champs for the usefulness and fun and because u like to play with them. not because of a title with more or less no impact.
Man, you went straight to the point and still missed it. The pressure to get the title is undeniable since it will boost your progression. So now you have to choose a meh 6* to rank 3 or decide to sacrifice your progressiom boost.that f'ed up

You could say that about all progression, and in fact people do. You're supposed to play at your own pace, given your circumstances. If you don't, if you grind more hours than you want, if you spend more than you want, or if you rank up champions you don't want just to get to the next point in the game earlier than you would have otherwise, that's 100% on you. That's your choice. More than 99% of the players in the game are not, and are not soon going to be Thronebreakers. If you feel pressure to be one of the fraction of one percent that is, because it is intolerable for you to be among the 99%+ that are not, there is no way you can claim that's the fault of the game.

I'm unlikely to be a day one Thronebreaker, and that's fine with me. I'll get there when I get there. I have sometimes pushed hard to get to a progress tier: I did that with Uncollected when it was announced, and I did that with Cavalier when it came out. But in both cases I did so only because I felt it was within my ability to do, and didn't require out of the ordinary spending or out of the ordinary game play. If I didn't I wouldn't have. If I have to rank 3 someone and there's no one I want to rank 3, I'll compare the benefits of Thronebreaker to that rank 3 cost and make a decision. A voluntary decision that I make of my own accord.

Blaine_94

Like many others, I have the resources to rank 3 a 6 star but I don't have a champ that I want to rank 3. Except for who have a 6 star r3 team yet, this make this title a matter of luck (and not of worth)... Or a matter of bravery because to have it I should to use a T5CC to rank up Gambit

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ChriissR

So many salty kids here LOL
Personally, I think the requirement should be 100% Act 6 for the new title.

Regardless, I'm excited for the new title. Can't wait to see the Throne Breaker deals on Cyber Weekend

BowTieJohn

Will need to think about this. I'm Uncollected, but trying to analyze to see if it is worth pushing from Uncollected to Cavalier and then Thronebreaker.

Odachi

So many salty kids here LOL
Personally, I think the requirement should be 100% Act 6 for the new title.

Regardless, I'm excited for the new title. Can't wait to see the Throne Breaker deals on Cyber Weekend

The salt is abundant. I'm sure some of the whiners will be able to get the double on cyber weekend tho if they save their r3 rank up until after they buy the offers then do the rank up to get thronebreaker and refresh their deals - they are too full of complaints, capital letters and excess punctuation right now tho.

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CoatHang3r

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.

You’re joking right because if not then your solution is making the title more restrictive to people because they’re complaining about the restrictions?

You and Liss might want to have lunch, they seem to like syrup.

ChriissR

So many salty kids here LOL
Personally, I think the requirement should be 100% Act 6 for the new title.

Regardless, I'm excited for the new title. Can't wait to see the Throne Breaker deals on Cyber Weekend
The salt is abundant. I'm sure some of the whiners will be able to get the double on cyber weekend tho if they save their r3 rank up until after they buy the offers then do the rank up to get thronebreaker and refresh their deals - they are too full of complaints, capital letters and excess punctuation right now tho.

Yep, couldn't agree with this more! Half the people complaining here, will be the same ones buying double the offers on Cyber Weekend... People will always find a way to complain regardless. If they made it 100% Act 6, people still would've complained. It's natural

DNA3000

To be really clear here (and let the dislikes pour in), this is meant to be a differentiating factor between players in the Cavalier progression level, and those that are far advanced from there.

As you guys are well aware, there is a huge breadth of players that have hit Cavalier status, from those that have beaten Act 6 Chapter 1 just once, to those that have explored Abyss of Legends, and take on the Grandmaster and Champion bosses daily just for fun.

It becomes extremely difficult for us to make content that targets everybody in that group when one end is so far ahead of the other. As we moved away from making Act content our measuring stick for Summoner Roster and Skill Progression, we had to move to other measurements. Having 1x Rank 3 6-Star is quite low on the scale of differentiation since many of these Summoners have quite a lot more.

If you haven't hit that point yet, that's okay. There's still a lot for you to benefit from as a Cavalier, and those benefits will help you as you progress and grow towards the next level.
Why did you have to add the "1x Rank 3 6-Star" in though? That is a VERY poor move by Kabam as only the top 3% of players have r3 6 stars

If the top 3% of players have rank 3s, then the requirement is too low. The highest progression tier in the game shouldn't be something that three percent of the playerbase immediately leaps over on day one. That completely devalues that progression point.

GriZzLyRoD

Iam happy with this update. i dont understand why people complain about this.. its a great update . you dont have to rank up immediately just wait and finish quest or open some crystals. some people funny because they want everything free and with no effort , even in real life you cant get things with no effort or free. just be a reasonable. you should happy with this progress about game guys.. Thanks Kabam and @Kabam Miike

Etjama

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
You’re joking right because if not then your solution is making the title more restrictive to people because they’re complaining about the restrictions?

You and Liss might want to have lunch, they seem to like syrup.

He's saying they want this targeted at people who have 100% Abyss. So do it. THAT makes sense. What doesn't make sense is the fact that someone can have Act 6 complete and 6.1 explored, R3 a Corvus and get Thronebreaker while someone who has explored all of Act 6 can have a Cosmic T5CC and only a Groot to use it on.

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Rookiie

Because of the requirement to Rank 3 a 6-star, which puts pressure on summoners who don't have good 6-stars to R3, or the right T5CC

CoatHang3r

I'm pretty sure you guys have the statistics, but how many players actually had a R3 6 star when they completed their first run of 6.4?
The two milestone requirements simply do not match up or have any close relationship between them.
They are meant to be separate. They are 2 fold here. We could have just made it get 1x Rank 3, but then somewhere down the line, people will get Rank 3s before they complete Act 6, and that doesn't hit both milestones.
Honestly, if you guys want people to 100% Abyss before getting this title, do it. It just makes way more sense than involving RNG into titles.
100% Abyss is still lower than we're aiming for, honestly. This title is aimed at people that probably already have teams of Rank 3 6-Stars, but we want to make it more accessible. Again, this was originally going to be for somewhere in the next Act, which would have been aimed at players with multiple Rank 3 Champions.

So what I am I hearing is that this was planned to roll out in book 2 as part of long term plans and isn’t something you can put off. Being that you pushed back book 2 due to feedback you now need to get this into the game before upcoming events so future plans are not also disrupted.

The progression requirements were meant to be much more restrictive but since the content to meet those requirements has been delayed you need to at least put in something similar?

KDSuperFlash10

To be really clear here (and let the dislikes pour in), this is meant to be a differentiating factor between players in the Cavalier progression level, and those that are far advanced from there.

As you guys are well aware, there is a huge breadth of players that have hit Cavalier status, from those that have beaten Act 6 Chapter 1 just once, to those that have explored Abyss of Legends, and take on the Grandmaster and Champion bosses daily just for fun.

It becomes extremely difficult for us to make content that targets everybody in that group when one end is so far ahead of the other. As we moved away from making Act content our measuring stick for Summoner Roster and Skill Progression, we had to move to other measurements. Having 1x Rank 3 6-Star is quite low on the scale of differentiation since many of these Summoners have quite a lot more.

If you haven't hit that point yet, that's okay. There's still a lot for you to benefit from as a Cavalier, and those benefits will help you as you progress and grow towards the next level.
I’ve completed Act 6. I can 100% Cavalier difficulty. I’m no where near a R3 because RNG won’t go my way. If you plan on making t5cc truly available to where I don’t have to 100% Act or complete an AOL path just to know you’ll have a full one, then this is ok. However if you’re just going to keep giving 20% a month and in that 20% you’re giving 2% crystals that FURTHER make it an RNG dependent title, then it’s a load of BS.
There's a pretty great special Nexus Crystal and T5CC in the Abyss Rewards.

Before somebody else posts it, let me: "Don't have an R3? Kabam Miike just said beat Abyss to get this, like that's easy!"

The Abyss of Legends is an option but it's not the only way. And to be frank, this title is more aimed at those that can 100% Abyss of Legends. We just chose to make it easier than that for those that choose alternate ways to progress their Rosters.

If we hadn't shifted the philosophy for where to put this, you would have gotten it probably after Chapter 2 of Book 2 Act 1. This would have been aimed at Summoners with teams of Rank 3 Champions.

You have time. You don't have to do this today, or even right when this comes out. Use your Cavalier Benefits to help you progress our team.

EDIT: I had mistakenly said there's a T5CC Selector in the Abyss Rewards.
The edit shows how aware you are of the game and progression. So stop defending the 6* r3 restriction
Hey man, I've got to keep info on every part of the game in my head. I will definitely make mistakes, and I am going to double down on defending this requirement because this is much lower than originally intended when it was just based on Act Progression.

I don't get it. Why didn't you just leave it till Act 7 chapter 2. You keep bringing that up, again and again, defending this decision by saying that you were being generous by doing it now rather than in Act 7 chapter 2. I'd much rather have had this in Act 7 chapter 2 where it is progression based, not rank up based. You should get titles by completing challenging content, not making rank ups based on RNG.

DarkSoulDLX

I think act 6 100% needs a T5CC selector that will permanently resolve the act 6 terrible rewards saga

Rayhanaprilleo

Guess I have to r3 my unduped Diablo now

StevieManWonder

I also don’t understand why the title isn’t locked behind Act 6 100%. You can’t even get an 6r3 if you only do Act 6 Completion since you guys decided to massively hold out on the t5cc for completion (and Exploration for that matter).