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No More Cosmic ramp up Champs, PLEASE

sdexcsdexc Posts: 140 ★
edited November 2020 in General Discussion
1 Why is Hercules Cosmic? Shoudve been skill to bolster that class and bring some diversity
2 Especially beczu Hercules is cosmic, WHY IS HE A RAMP UP CHAMP
We already have so many Cosmic Ramp up Champs
Air Walker, CMM (kinda), Corvus Glaive, Cull Obsidian, Red Goblin, Terrax, VTD
*3 of them THIS YEAR
*Notice how all the ones that came out before this year r good and all the ones that came out this year are trash comparitively
If he was at least Skill, i wouldnt care if he was a ramp up. That would bring something totally diff to that class. U could have designed him like a Cosmic Champ but made him Skill at least

Guess im voting for Omega Sentinel (as if she wont win)

PS. Could u have done this Ability Preview type thing earlier. Then we would actually be informed of who we want to vote for. (Even classes would have been nice)

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  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,236 ★★★★★
    Have we even seen what Hercules will look like, or if he will win?
  • Iron_Patriot_is_litIron_Patriot_is_lit Posts: 1,860 ★★★★★
    sdexc said:

    Iron_Patriot_is_lit said:

    Why wouldn’t Hercules be cosmic? Champs are based on canon not game balance. He’s an Olympian which is a similar species to the asgardians, all of which are cosmics aside from the sole exception of Thor.

    They kinda r based on game balance.
    A lot of characters can easily have arguments made to shift their classes.
    Why is Cap not skill?
    Why is Antman, Wasp, YJ not tech?
    Why is BPCW and Killmonger not tech?
    Why is Stealth Suit Skill when Spiderman is Science and Stark Enchanced is Tech?
    green goblin not Science?
    Drax, Gamora, not Skill?
    A lot of champs could easily be many diff classes is the point. There can be arguments made for a lot of characters to be in diff classes,
    The entire cap line isn’t skill
    Pym science/tech gives them shrinking powers. Could go either way.
    Because they just have suits with kinetic energy mechanisms, not suits with advanced AIs and weaponry.
    Maybe they just wanted to make a distinction between the two. Good argument to be made there though.
    That’s a weird case. I can see arguments for both classes.
    Alien species from space.

  • ThatGuyYouSaw235ThatGuyYouSaw235 Posts: 3,144 ★★★★★
    sdexc said:

    Iron_Patriot_is_lit said:

    Why wouldn’t Hercules be cosmic? Champs are based on canon not game balance. He’s an Olympian which is a similar species to the asgardians, all of which are cosmics aside from the sole exception of Thor.

    They kinda r based on game balance.
    A lot of characters can easily have arguments made to shift their classes.
    Why is Cap not skill?
    Why is Antman, Wasp, YJ not tech?
    Why is BPCW and Killmonger not tech?
    Why is Stealth Suit Skill when Spiderman is Science and Stark Enchanced is Tech?
    green goblin not Science?
    Drax, Gamora, not Skill?
    A lot of champs could easily be many diff classes is the point. There can be arguments made for a lot of characters to be in diff classes,
    Cap has Super Soldier Serum running through him effectively making him who he is and a Science champion more than a Skill.

    Ant-Man uses pym-particles which are serum-like concoctions that are virtually his only utility aside from Wasp and YJ, Science.

    BPCW and Killmonger are primarily focused on their combat prowess as in the MCU they undergo ritual combat to be inducted as king and consume the heart-shaped herb which gives them their increased peak performance.

    Stealth-Suit Spiderman doesn't have such an abundance of tech as Starky and is more revolved around tactical operation basically making him a Black-Ops Spiderman making him more Skill than Science as a result.

    Green Goblin does have the goblin formula but uses a lot of tech in his arsenal more than just his increased strength etc. GG could go either way though, but if he was science then it'd be likely that people would wonder why he isn't tech.

    not quite balancing
  • DPXFistheGOATDPXFistheGOAT Posts: 727 ★★★
    Kabam should introduce a ramp up cosmic Iron Spider out of spite
  • 007md92007md92 Posts: 1,381 ★★★★
    He should be cosmic. But why ramp up?
    When will we get a champ like Hyperion?
    >:) Lol. We have got Hyperion.
    Thank god he exhist. Such straight forward enjoyable character.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Posts: 18,657 Guardian
    sdexc said:

    Iron_Patriot_is_lit said:

    Why wouldn’t Hercules be cosmic? Champs are based on canon not game balance. He’s an Olympian which is a similar species to the asgardians, all of which are cosmics aside from the sole exception of Thor.

    They kinda r based on game balance.
    A lot of characters can easily have arguments made to shift their classes.
    Why is Cap not skill?
    Why is Antman, Wasp, YJ not tech?
    Why is BPCW and Killmonger not tech?
    Why is Stealth Suit Skill when Spiderman is Science and Stark Enchanced is Tech?
    green goblin not Science?
    Drax, Gamora, not Skill?
    A lot of champs could easily be many diff classes is the point. There can be arguments made for a lot of characters to be in diff classes,
    Of course you can make arguments for champions being in more than one class. But that's irrelevant to the question of whether they choose class based on game balance concerns. They almost certainly do not, because champion class is set very early on the character concept creation process, before the champion's abilities and gameplay are actually designed. They don't know what they are adding to the class when they choose the class. And they can't just change it later, because class is almost certainly set in conjunction with Marvel, who approves all character concepts and character designs.
  • Sarvanga1_Sarvanga1_ Posts: 4,139 ★★★★★
    Marvel doesn't decide the class of the champs. Kabam does.
  • Moot4LifeMoot4Life Posts: 2,132 ★★★★
    sdexc said:

    DNA3000 said:

    sdexc said:

    Iron_Patriot_is_lit said:

    Why wouldn’t Hercules be cosmic? Champs are based on canon not game balance. He’s an Olympian which is a similar species to the asgardians, all of which are cosmics aside from the sole exception of Thor.

    They kinda r based on game balance.
    A lot of characters can easily have arguments made to shift their classes.
    Why is Cap not skill?
    Why is Antman, Wasp, YJ not tech?
    Why is BPCW and Killmonger not tech?
    Why is Stealth Suit Skill when Spiderman is Science and Stark Enchanced is Tech?
    green goblin not Science?
    Drax, Gamora, not Skill?
    A lot of champs could easily be many diff classes is the point. There can be arguments made for a lot of characters to be in diff classes,
    Of course you can make arguments for champions being in more than one class. But that's irrelevant to the question of whether they choose class based on game balance concerns. They almost certainly do not, because champion class is set very early on the character concept creation process, before the champion's abilities and gameplay are actually designed. They don't know what they are adding to the class when they choose the class. And they can't just change it later, because class is almost certainly set in conjunction with Marvel, who approves all character concepts and character designs.
    those argumenst were to point out how classes can be easily diff and arent necesarily based on canon
    so why did they make Hercules cosmic?
    Cosmic is already overloaded with champs with few being good (especially with ramp up champs)
    wouldve been nice for him to be skill and would have still made sense and prob better for the game
    i dont know how what ur saying is really answering what i asked?
    PS Im not calling for revolution. Hes cosmic and thats that. its simply a rant post about stupid class decisions.
    your username always reminds me of skeksis from the dark crystal
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Posts: 21,804 ★★★★★
    sdexc said:

    Ebony_Naw said:

    sdexc said:

    Iron_Patriot_is_lit said:

    Why wouldn’t Hercules be cosmic? Champs are based on canon not game balance. He’s an Olympian which is a similar species to the asgardians, all of which are cosmics aside from the sole exception of Thor.

    They kinda r based on game balance.
    A lot of characters can easily have arguments made to shift their classes.
    Why is Cap not skill?
    Why is Antman, Wasp, YJ not tech?
    Why is BPCW and Killmonger not tech?
    Why is Stealth Suit Skill when Spiderman is Science and Stark Enchanced is Tech?
    green goblin not Science?
    Drax, Gamora, not Skill?
    A lot of champs could easily be many diff classes is the point. There can be arguments made for a lot of characters to be in diff classes,
    Cap isn't skill because everything special about him came out of a bottle. Only ones I agree with are Antman, Wasp, and YJ. The rest are fairly obvious choices. Sym spidey is enhanced by cosmic entities, so he is cosmic. Stark spidey is enhanced by technology so he's tech.
    didnt mention sym spidey.
    ik why stark enchanced is tech
    imo Cap should be skill. WHy is BP skill? Even tho they are enhanced they dont fight with any special abilities. It would be cool if at least the WW2 version was skill
    Drax and Gamora same reasons as ^
    in the end who cares, these r just random examples i was taking to semi-prove a point. champs class' r malleable and can fit into multiple places so why not make Hercules Skill?
    All of Caps super powers came out of a serum, that’s why he’s science. Black Panther is skill because he has an innate fighting ability that is simply enhanced by the herb. His fighting prowess is still excellent without it, compared to wimpy pre serum Steve
  • Colinwhitworth69Colinwhitworth69 Posts: 7,172 ★★★★★
    Who needs Hercules when you have CGR, Corvus, and CMM?
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,236 ★★★★★
    GroundedWisdom said:

    Have we even seen what Hercules will look like, or if he will win?

    My bad. I hadn't seen the blueprint.
  • Kill_GreyKill_Grey Posts: 8,666 ★★★★★
    Colinwhitworth69 said:

    Who needs Hercules when you have CGR, Corvus, and CMM?

    And Hyperion. You somehow forgot Hyperion.
  • Grootman1294Grootman1294 Posts: 864 ★★★★
    Skill needs it more honestly
  • GardenerGardener Posts: 1,601 ★★★
    Grootman1294 said:

    Skill needs it more honestly

    Yup but they made him cosmic
  • Patchie93Patchie93 Posts: 1,898 ★★★★
    sdexc said:

    Aziz5253 said:

    sdexc said:

    Iron_Patriot_is_lit said:

    sdexc said:

    Iron_Patriot_is_lit said:

    Why wouldn’t Hercules be cosmic? Champs are based on canon not game balance. He’s an Olympian which is a similar species to the asgardians, all of which are cosmics aside from the sole exception of Thor.

    They kinda r based on game balance.
    A lot of characters can easily have arguments made to shift their classes.
    Why is Cap not skill?
    Why is Antman, Wasp, YJ not tech?
    Why is BPCW and Killmonger not tech?
    Why is Stealth Suit Skill when Spiderman is Science and Stark Enchanced is Tech?
    green goblin not Science?
    Drax, Gamora, not Skill?
    A lot of champs could easily be many diff classes is the point. There can be arguments made for a lot of characters to be in diff classes,
    The entire cap line isn’t skill
    Pym science/tech gives them shrinking powers. Could go either way.
    Because they just have suits with kinetic energy mechanisms, not suits with advanced AIs and weaponry.
    Maybe they just wanted to make a distinction between the two. Good argument to be made there though.
    That’s a weird case. I can see arguments for both classes.
    Alien species from space.

    effectively what im trying to say is these char can fit into a lot of diff classes. like thor rags. hes skill and not cosmic becuz kabam decided him to be. they couldve easily done the same with hercules but would have made a lot more sense since hercules is a brawler. he doesnt have lightning powers or whatever. just standard super strength etc.
    Its not kabam who decides what class he belongs into. It's Disney/Marvel for that matter
    and how do you know that? that seems highly unlikely
    When GG and Doc Oct came out as tech Champs this argument came up and kabam straight out said that Marvel Essentially tells them w
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