Cyber Weekend Sales Feedback [Merged Threads]

Djin · November 2020

When a game company prevents it's customer from spending money.....
Irony at its best.

Lovejoy72 · November 2020

GroundedWisdom said:

Yaron_aviv said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DL864 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DL864 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:
Not only are the cash offers for cavalier underwhelming, the unit offers are awful for F2P players. Disappointment would be an understatement. Why on earth would cavalier players want t4bc as part of the 1000 unit deal? I already have 10 in overflow.
It's part of the first Offer only. Which you still use them to Rank Champs.
The fact that you need to buy an offer that isn’t worth it to unlock the next deal is bs. Compare this with the 4th of July deals earlier this year, this is awful. And I’ve already mentioned that I have over 10 overflowing so I would have already ranked up champs if I wanted to.
You might, others might not. To the best of my knowledge, no one has outgrown T4CCs. At the very least, you need them to R2 a 6*.
I said T4BC not T4CC. The offers are worse than 4th of July deals period.
I don't know why people keep comparing them to the 4th of July deals. They have nothing to do with each other. The game would be in a sad state of affairs if they constantly had to do more every Offer. The bottom line is, you have a great deal of Resources that are offered this weekend which aren't normally offered for the price they are, regardless of what they gave before or what people think of them.
I'm not ignorant. I get that people are disappointed with them. Anyone with reading capabilities could see that. I'm also aware that it will affect the outcome of sales after this. I get it. I'm just not comparing it to anything else. These Offers are stand-alone.
Realistically, some people expected more towards TB. I understand that. Some even thought they'd be hitting TB with the Offers and scooping up more. A nice idea, but not a reasonable thing to assume. I'm speaking from experience. Anytime I let the hamster run and start building expectations, I end up setting myself up for disappointment because things rarely line up when they pan out. Which is why I've adopted a wait-and-see approach.
I just don't think catastrophizing and making claims of a slap in the face, or the myriad of other exaggerations are really appropriate to the situation. When people are saying it's their fault that their expectations weren't met, that's not really true. No one knew anything about what was coming. People filled in the blanks in their own minds.
I can understand that people wanted more, but I have to point out when these expectations aren't reasonable. I don't think it's reasonable for the game to know exactly what each of us need personally, and I don't think it's reasonable to think everyone that's Cav would get the Cat they needed to hit TB in one day.
Dude when they say the offers wont change in the email a week before the deals came out is basically saying we know they're **** but we will die on our sword. You can rant all you want about how great these deals are but deep down inside you know
They said the same thing last time. It means there are no new ones for Cyber Monday. What you see is what you get.
What you see is trash and that's what you get
We can tone down the exaggerating. They're not trash. They're not a slap in the face. They're not a sign of the Apocalypse. They're just not what people expected.
It IS a slap in the face. I grinded my ass off for units and saved up hoping to get better deals than last year. Something to help my game progression.
I at least expected to see a selector in the money offers.

But the decent deals are locked behind a peasant gate unlocked by luck? That makes all the time and REAL money i spent over the past year POINTLESS.

Moreover, TB real money offers are more value than CAV - despite it being the same money. The whole concept is mindblowing. As if cavalier aren't dedicated customers.

As a customer, that is EXACTLY what i call a slap in the face.
A slap in the face? They gave a significant amount of Resources which would otherwise be earned over time, in exchange for Units and/or money, and in the case of the money deals, the value of what's regularly offered was increased greatly by adding other things. You're certainly entitled to your feelings on it, but it's not a slap in the face.

Part of the problem is that each reduced the value of the other. That is, some of the cash bundles offered items completely absent in the unit offers, thus reducing the value of units. And with the value of units reduced, those units attached to the cash were also less desirable. But the cash offers (for cav, at least) aren’t strong enough to stand on their own. And the unit offers aren’t good enough to drive anyone to buy the cash bundles to get them?? These are synergistic offers, but thus time they cooperated to create a very undesirable consumer response.

Scholia · November 2020

GroundedWisdom said:
How dare they offer people things? The audacity.

Your such a d man. Constantly trolling. You add zero value, just habit of acting like a moron

Nameless_IW · November 2020

Kabam didn't; do any good by screwing over the cavalier players. because I bet the we have a lot more cavalier than throne breaker players in the market share. Anyways, these cavalier offers don't upset me one bit, I wasn't going to spend anyways. but the offers are atrocious. anyways, I will all these resources rather sooner than later. Regardless of their poor decision, I would like to Thank YOU Kabam.

GroundedWisdom · November 2020

Lovejoy72 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Yaron_aviv said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DL864 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DL864 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:
Not only are the cash offers for cavalier underwhelming, the unit offers are awful for F2P players. Disappointment would be an understatement. Why on earth would cavalier players want t4bc as part of the 1000 unit deal? I already have 10 in overflow.
It's part of the first Offer only. Which you still use them to Rank Champs.
The fact that you need to buy an offer that isn’t worth it to unlock the next deal is bs. Compare this with the 4th of July deals earlier this year, this is awful. And I’ve already mentioned that I have over 10 overflowing so I would have already ranked up champs if I wanted to.
You might, others might not. To the best of my knowledge, no one has outgrown T4CCs. At the very least, you need them to R2 a 6*.
I said T4BC not T4CC. The offers are worse than 4th of July deals period.
I don't know why people keep comparing them to the 4th of July deals. They have nothing to do with each other. The game would be in a sad state of affairs if they constantly had to do more every Offer. The bottom line is, you have a great deal of Resources that are offered this weekend which aren't normally offered for the price they are, regardless of what they gave before or what people think of them.
I'm not ignorant. I get that people are disappointed with them. Anyone with reading capabilities could see that. I'm also aware that it will affect the outcome of sales after this. I get it. I'm just not comparing it to anything else. These Offers are stand-alone.
Realistically, some people expected more towards TB. I understand that. Some even thought they'd be hitting TB with the Offers and scooping up more. A nice idea, but not a reasonable thing to assume. I'm speaking from experience. Anytime I let the hamster run and start building expectations, I end up setting myself up for disappointment because things rarely line up when they pan out. Which is why I've adopted a wait-and-see approach.
I just don't think catastrophizing and making claims of a slap in the face, or the myriad of other exaggerations are really appropriate to the situation. When people are saying it's their fault that their expectations weren't met, that's not really true. No one knew anything about what was coming. People filled in the blanks in their own minds.
I can understand that people wanted more, but I have to point out when these expectations aren't reasonable. I don't think it's reasonable for the game to know exactly what each of us need personally, and I don't think it's reasonable to think everyone that's Cav would get the Cat they needed to hit TB in one day.
Dude when they say the offers wont change in the email a week before the deals came out is basically saying we know they're **** but we will die on our sword. You can rant all you want about how great these deals are but deep down inside you know
They said the same thing last time. It means there are no new ones for Cyber Monday. What you see is what you get.
What you see is trash and that's what you get
We can tone down the exaggerating. They're not trash. They're not a slap in the face. They're not a sign of the Apocalypse. They're just not what people expected.
It IS a slap in the face. I grinded my ass off for units and saved up hoping to get better deals than last year. Something to help my game progression.
I at least expected to see a selector in the money offers.

But the decent deals are locked behind a peasant gate unlocked by luck? That makes all the time and REAL money i spent over the past year POINTLESS.

Moreover, TB real money offers are more value than CAV - despite it being the same money. The whole concept is mindblowing. As if cavalier aren't dedicated customers.

As a customer, that is EXACTLY what i call a slap in the face.
A slap in the face? They gave a significant amount of Resources which would otherwise be earned over time, in exchange for Units and/or money, and in the case of the money deals, the value of what's regularly offered was increased greatly by adding other things. You're certainly entitled to your feelings on it, but it's not a slap in the face.
Part of the problem is that each reduced the value of the other. That is, some of the cash bundles offered items completely absent in the unit offers, thus reducing the value of units. And with the value of units reduced, those units attached to the cash were also less desirable. But the cash offers (for cav, at least) aren’t strong enough to stand on their own. And the unit offers aren’t good enough to drive anyone to buy the cash bundles to get them?? These are synergistic offers, but thus time they cooperated to create a very undesirable consumer response.

I'm not sure why they would have to contain the same Items. There are Cash Offers, and there are Unit Offers. Some people might have to buy the Units to get the Unit Offers, but they're not automatically correlated. There are options on both fronts. I'm Cav, and the only one I didn't find to be particularly motivating is the Peter Parker, simply because the Frags and Units weren't much help.

Lovejoy72 · November 2020

GroundedWisdom said:

Lovejoy72 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Yaron_aviv said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DL864 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DL864 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:
Not only are the cash offers for cavalier underwhelming, the unit offers are awful for F2P players. Disappointment would be an understatement. Why on earth would cavalier players want t4bc as part of the 1000 unit deal? I already have 10 in overflow.
It's part of the first Offer only. Which you still use them to Rank Champs.
The fact that you need to buy an offer that isn’t worth it to unlock the next deal is bs. Compare this with the 4th of July deals earlier this year, this is awful. And I’ve already mentioned that I have over 10 overflowing so I would have already ranked up champs if I wanted to.
You might, others might not. To the best of my knowledge, no one has outgrown T4CCs. At the very least, you need them to R2 a 6*.
I said T4BC not T4CC. The offers are worse than 4th of July deals period.
I don't know why people keep comparing them to the 4th of July deals. They have nothing to do with each other. The game would be in a sad state of affairs if they constantly had to do more every Offer. The bottom line is, you have a great deal of Resources that are offered this weekend which aren't normally offered for the price they are, regardless of what they gave before or what people think of them.
I'm not ignorant. I get that people are disappointed with them. Anyone with reading capabilities could see that. I'm also aware that it will affect the outcome of sales after this. I get it. I'm just not comparing it to anything else. These Offers are stand-alone.
Realistically, some people expected more towards TB. I understand that. Some even thought they'd be hitting TB with the Offers and scooping up more. A nice idea, but not a reasonable thing to assume. I'm speaking from experience. Anytime I let the hamster run and start building expectations, I end up setting myself up for disappointment because things rarely line up when they pan out. Which is why I've adopted a wait-and-see approach.
I just don't think catastrophizing and making claims of a slap in the face, or the myriad of other exaggerations are really appropriate to the situation. When people are saying it's their fault that their expectations weren't met, that's not really true. No one knew anything about what was coming. People filled in the blanks in their own minds.
I can understand that people wanted more, but I have to point out when these expectations aren't reasonable. I don't think it's reasonable for the game to know exactly what each of us need personally, and I don't think it's reasonable to think everyone that's Cav would get the Cat they needed to hit TB in one day.
Dude when they say the offers wont change in the email a week before the deals came out is basically saying we know they're **** but we will die on our sword. You can rant all you want about how great these deals are but deep down inside you know
They said the same thing last time. It means there are no new ones for Cyber Monday. What you see is what you get.
What you see is trash and that's what you get
We can tone down the exaggerating. They're not trash. They're not a slap in the face. They're not a sign of the Apocalypse. They're just not what people expected.
It IS a slap in the face. I grinded my ass off for units and saved up hoping to get better deals than last year. Something to help my game progression.
I at least expected to see a selector in the money offers.

But the decent deals are locked behind a peasant gate unlocked by luck? That makes all the time and REAL money i spent over the past year POINTLESS.

Moreover, TB real money offers are more value than CAV - despite it being the same money. The whole concept is mindblowing. As if cavalier aren't dedicated customers.

As a customer, that is EXACTLY what i call a slap in the face.
A slap in the face? They gave a significant amount of Resources which would otherwise be earned over time, in exchange for Units and/or money, and in the case of the money deals, the value of what's regularly offered was increased greatly by adding other things. You're certainly entitled to your feelings on it, but it's not a slap in the face.
Part of the problem is that each reduced the value of the other. That is, some of the cash bundles offered items completely absent in the unit offers, thus reducing the value of units. And with the value of units reduced, those units attached to the cash were also less desirable. But the cash offers (for cav, at least) aren’t strong enough to stand on their own. And the unit offers aren’t good enough to drive anyone to buy the cash bundles to get them?? These are synergistic offers, but thus time they cooperated to create a very undesirable consumer response.
I'm not sure why they would have to contain the same Items. There are Cash Offers, and there are Unit Offers. Some people might have to buy the Units to get the Unit Offers, but they're not automatically correlated. There are options on both fronts. I'm Cav, and the only one I didn't find to be particularly motivating is the Peter Parker, simply because the Frags and Units weren't much help.

Because some items have been too aggressively walled behind cash, to the extant that units feel like a second rate currency. I think that point has been established by the FTP community.

New_Noob168 · November 2020

Another thing is...with Cavalier...if you bought all the deals plus the unit ones, you'd have way too many t2a and can't even upgrade any champ because no t5b. I guess Kabam didn't think about that.

Vanitelia · November 2020

I get the difficult part of satisfying a wide base of players and where they are in the game. I think that is why a lot of players are pointing to the July 4th deals. It offered options. If you are set with the champs you want, then you chose the progression route. If you wanted to bulk up your roster, then you went down that path.

I have been fortunate to pull some really good 6 stars. I have them at r2. Just can’t bring myself to spend $150 on the 1/6 chance of pulling the right cc. One of the few games out there that base progression on luck, either through having to pull the right champ AND the right cc to rank up that champ. It”s silly.

GroundedWisdom · November 2020

Lovejoy72 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Lovejoy72 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Yaron_aviv said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DL864 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DL864 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:
Not only are the cash offers for cavalier underwhelming, the unit offers are awful for F2P players. Disappointment would be an understatement. Why on earth would cavalier players want t4bc as part of the 1000 unit deal? I already have 10 in overflow.
It's part of the first Offer only. Which you still use them to Rank Champs.
The fact that you need to buy an offer that isn’t worth it to unlock the next deal is bs. Compare this with the 4th of July deals earlier this year, this is awful. And I’ve already mentioned that I have over 10 overflowing so I would have already ranked up champs if I wanted to.
You might, others might not. To the best of my knowledge, no one has outgrown T4CCs. At the very least, you need them to R2 a 6*.
I said T4BC not T4CC. The offers are worse than 4th of July deals period.
I don't know why people keep comparing them to the 4th of July deals. They have nothing to do with each other. The game would be in a sad state of affairs if they constantly had to do more every Offer. The bottom line is, you have a great deal of Resources that are offered this weekend which aren't normally offered for the price they are, regardless of what they gave before or what people think of them.
I'm not ignorant. I get that people are disappointed with them. Anyone with reading capabilities could see that. I'm also aware that it will affect the outcome of sales after this. I get it. I'm just not comparing it to anything else. These Offers are stand-alone.
Realistically, some people expected more towards TB. I understand that. Some even thought they'd be hitting TB with the Offers and scooping up more. A nice idea, but not a reasonable thing to assume. I'm speaking from experience. Anytime I let the hamster run and start building expectations, I end up setting myself up for disappointment because things rarely line up when they pan out. Which is why I've adopted a wait-and-see approach.
I just don't think catastrophizing and making claims of a slap in the face, or the myriad of other exaggerations are really appropriate to the situation. When people are saying it's their fault that their expectations weren't met, that's not really true. No one knew anything about what was coming. People filled in the blanks in their own minds.
I can understand that people wanted more, but I have to point out when these expectations aren't reasonable. I don't think it's reasonable for the game to know exactly what each of us need personally, and I don't think it's reasonable to think everyone that's Cav would get the Cat they needed to hit TB in one day.
Dude when they say the offers wont change in the email a week before the deals came out is basically saying we know they're **** but we will die on our sword. You can rant all you want about how great these deals are but deep down inside you know
They said the same thing last time. It means there are no new ones for Cyber Monday. What you see is what you get.
What you see is trash and that's what you get
We can tone down the exaggerating. They're not trash. They're not a slap in the face. They're not a sign of the Apocalypse. They're just not what people expected.
It IS a slap in the face. I grinded my ass off for units and saved up hoping to get better deals than last year. Something to help my game progression.
I at least expected to see a selector in the money offers.

But the decent deals are locked behind a peasant gate unlocked by luck? That makes all the time and REAL money i spent over the past year POINTLESS.

Moreover, TB real money offers are more value than CAV - despite it being the same money. The whole concept is mindblowing. As if cavalier aren't dedicated customers.

As a customer, that is EXACTLY what i call a slap in the face.
A slap in the face? They gave a significant amount of Resources which would otherwise be earned over time, in exchange for Units and/or money, and in the case of the money deals, the value of what's regularly offered was increased greatly by adding other things. You're certainly entitled to your feelings on it, but it's not a slap in the face.
Part of the problem is that each reduced the value of the other. That is, some of the cash bundles offered items completely absent in the unit offers, thus reducing the value of units. And with the value of units reduced, those units attached to the cash were also less desirable. But the cash offers (for cav, at least) aren’t strong enough to stand on their own. And the unit offers aren’t good enough to drive anyone to buy the cash bundles to get them?? These are synergistic offers, but thus time they cooperated to create a very undesirable consumer response.
I'm not sure why they would have to contain the same Items. There are Cash Offers, and there are Unit Offers. Some people might have to buy the Units to get the Unit Offers, but they're not automatically correlated. There are options on both fronts. I'm Cav, and the only one I didn't find to be particularly motivating is the Peter Parker, simply because the Frags and Units weren't much help.
Because some items have been too aggressively walled behind cash, to the extant that units feel like a second rate currency. I think that point has been established by the FTP community.

There is no competing with people that spend. There's no comparison. People who don't spend will never keep up with those that do. They can play alongside them, and be competitive, as BG has proven. They just can't keep up with them. That's what people are paying for. I have no idea where the F2P/P2P myth came from, but it's not going to happen.

Lovejoy72 · November 2020

New_Noob168 said:
Another thing is...with Cavalier...if you bought all the deals plus the unit ones, you'd have way too many t2a and can't even upgrade any champ because no t5b. I guess Kabam didn't think about that.

They gave no T2a to TB apparently. What a weird bunch of offers.

DrPIT · November 2020

Thank you everyone for your comments. I am also a Cavalier player who needed some T5cc and was prepared to pay with units and/or cash for a decent T5cc selector. However, the "deals" provided none of this.

Worknprogress · November 2020

Lovejoy72 said:

New_Noob168 said:
Another thing is...with Cavalier...if you bought all the deals plus the unit ones, you'd have way too many t2a and can't even upgrade any champ because no t5b. I guess Kabam didn't think about that.
They gave no T2a to TB apparently. What a weird bunch of offers.

The t5b to t2a balance has been totally out of whack for quite a while for high tier players. Same with T4cc of all things actually.

LPH_337 · November 2020

At least with 12.0 i understood where they were coming from. This completely boggles my mind. So deflating. Such a slap in the face to an entire community that has made kabam rich and kept this game running strong for so long. And that really sucks because there are really people at kabam that actually do care which makes this feel so much worse. That this would come out and nobody said "wait a minute, this is very disrespectful to our players, lets rethink this."

This is worse than 12.0 in my opinion. Worse than them trying to overheat and blow up our phones. Worse than bot plagued arenas. Worse than mercs doing legends runs. Worse than top alliances habitually cheating in AW. This is the first time ive legit thought to myself that all the time, effort, and money ive spent in this game was a poor choice. Thats a very **** feeling. Merry Christmas kabam, hope you're having a great 2020 smh 🙄

Lovejoy72 · November 2020

GroundedWisdom said:

Lovejoy72 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Lovejoy72 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Yaron_aviv said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DL864 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DL864 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:
Not only are the cash offers for cavalier underwhelming, the unit offers are awful for F2P players. Disappointment would be an understatement. Why on earth would cavalier players want t4bc as part of the 1000 unit deal? I already have 10 in overflow.
It's part of the first Offer only. Which you still use them to Rank Champs.
The fact that you need to buy an offer that isn’t worth it to unlock the next deal is bs. Compare this with the 4th of July deals earlier this year, this is awful. And I’ve already mentioned that I have over 10 overflowing so I would have already ranked up champs if I wanted to.
You might, others might not. To the best of my knowledge, no one has outgrown T4CCs. At the very least, you need them to R2 a 6*.
I said T4BC not T4CC. The offers are worse than 4th of July deals period.
I don't know why people keep comparing them to the 4th of July deals. They have nothing to do with each other. The game would be in a sad state of affairs if they constantly had to do more every Offer. The bottom line is, you have a great deal of Resources that are offered this weekend which aren't normally offered for the price they are, regardless of what they gave before or what people think of them.
I'm not ignorant. I get that people are disappointed with them. Anyone with reading capabilities could see that. I'm also aware that it will affect the outcome of sales after this. I get it. I'm just not comparing it to anything else. These Offers are stand-alone.
Realistically, some people expected more towards TB. I understand that. Some even thought they'd be hitting TB with the Offers and scooping up more. A nice idea, but not a reasonable thing to assume. I'm speaking from experience. Anytime I let the hamster run and start building expectations, I end up setting myself up for disappointment because things rarely line up when they pan out. Which is why I've adopted a wait-and-see approach.
I just don't think catastrophizing and making claims of a slap in the face, or the myriad of other exaggerations are really appropriate to the situation. When people are saying it's their fault that their expectations weren't met, that's not really true. No one knew anything about what was coming. People filled in the blanks in their own minds.
I can understand that people wanted more, but I have to point out when these expectations aren't reasonable. I don't think it's reasonable for the game to know exactly what each of us need personally, and I don't think it's reasonable to think everyone that's Cav would get the Cat they needed to hit TB in one day.
Dude when they say the offers wont change in the email a week before the deals came out is basically saying we know they're **** but we will die on our sword. You can rant all you want about how great these deals are but deep down inside you know
They said the same thing last time. It means there are no new ones for Cyber Monday. What you see is what you get.
What you see is trash and that's what you get
We can tone down the exaggerating. They're not trash. They're not a slap in the face. They're not a sign of the Apocalypse. They're just not what people expected.
It IS a slap in the face. I grinded my ass off for units and saved up hoping to get better deals than last year. Something to help my game progression.
I at least expected to see a selector in the money offers.

But the decent deals are locked behind a peasant gate unlocked by luck? That makes all the time and REAL money i spent over the past year POINTLESS.

Moreover, TB real money offers are more value than CAV - despite it being the same money. The whole concept is mindblowing. As if cavalier aren't dedicated customers.

As a customer, that is EXACTLY what i call a slap in the face.
A slap in the face? They gave a significant amount of Resources which would otherwise be earned over time, in exchange for Units and/or money, and in the case of the money deals, the value of what's regularly offered was increased greatly by adding other things. You're certainly entitled to your feelings on it, but it's not a slap in the face.
Part of the problem is that each reduced the value of the other. That is, some of the cash bundles offered items completely absent in the unit offers, thus reducing the value of units. And with the value of units reduced, those units attached to the cash were also less desirable. But the cash offers (for cav, at least) aren’t strong enough to stand on their own. And the unit offers aren’t good enough to drive anyone to buy the cash bundles to get them?? These are synergistic offers, but thus time they cooperated to create a very undesirable consumer response.
I'm not sure why they would have to contain the same Items. There are Cash Offers, and there are Unit Offers. Some people might have to buy the Units to get the Unit Offers, but they're not automatically correlated. There are options on both fronts. I'm Cav, and the only one I didn't find to be particularly motivating is the Peter Parker, simply because the Frags and Units weren't much help.
Because some items have been too aggressively walled behind cash, to the extant that units feel like a second rate currency. I think that point has been established by the FTP community.
There is no competing with people that spend. There's no comparison. People who don't spend will never keep up with those that do. They can play alongside them, and be competitive, as BG has proven. They just can't keep up with them. That's what people are paying for. I have no idea where the F2P/P2P myth came from, but it's not going to happen.

Did you watch his video?

BadPullsMarco · November 2020

I'll tell you, this was actually a blessing, I was literally about to drop $500 and in like one moment, all the sudden I completely stopped caring about the game. Wild man, been playing for 4 years, been cavalier since day one, have just been waiting on a T5CC (all of my crystals have been rolling super evenly so I'm like 40% away from any class), I have every 5 star character I want at R5 and like 50 six stars, I'm completely done with 5 stars and when I saw every single offer, I just stopped carring, its wild...Legit, never felt so ehhhh about the game before. I bought 1 Odin because I wanted to open something, the nexus was pointless, the class catalyst was the classic has the least in and I was like...well that was pointless....

GroundedWisdom · November 2020

Lovejoy72 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Lovejoy72 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Lovejoy72 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Yaron_aviv said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DL864 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DL864 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:
Not only are the cash offers for cavalier underwhelming, the unit offers are awful for F2P players. Disappointment would be an understatement. Why on earth would cavalier players want t4bc as part of the 1000 unit deal? I already have 10 in overflow.
It's part of the first Offer only. Which you still use them to Rank Champs.
The fact that you need to buy an offer that isn’t worth it to unlock the next deal is bs. Compare this with the 4th of July deals earlier this year, this is awful. And I’ve already mentioned that I have over 10 overflowing so I would have already ranked up champs if I wanted to.
You might, others might not. To the best of my knowledge, no one has outgrown T4CCs. At the very least, you need them to R2 a 6*.
I said T4BC not T4CC. The offers are worse than 4th of July deals period.
I don't know why people keep comparing them to the 4th of July deals. They have nothing to do with each other. The game would be in a sad state of affairs if they constantly had to do more every Offer. The bottom line is, you have a great deal of Resources that are offered this weekend which aren't normally offered for the price they are, regardless of what they gave before or what people think of them.
I'm not ignorant. I get that people are disappointed with them. Anyone with reading capabilities could see that. I'm also aware that it will affect the outcome of sales after this. I get it. I'm just not comparing it to anything else. These Offers are stand-alone.
Realistically, some people expected more towards TB. I understand that. Some even thought they'd be hitting TB with the Offers and scooping up more. A nice idea, but not a reasonable thing to assume. I'm speaking from experience. Anytime I let the hamster run and start building expectations, I end up setting myself up for disappointment because things rarely line up when they pan out. Which is why I've adopted a wait-and-see approach.
I just don't think catastrophizing and making claims of a slap in the face, or the myriad of other exaggerations are really appropriate to the situation. When people are saying it's their fault that their expectations weren't met, that's not really true. No one knew anything about what was coming. People filled in the blanks in their own minds.
I can understand that people wanted more, but I have to point out when these expectations aren't reasonable. I don't think it's reasonable for the game to know exactly what each of us need personally, and I don't think it's reasonable to think everyone that's Cav would get the Cat they needed to hit TB in one day.
Dude when they say the offers wont change in the email a week before the deals came out is basically saying we know they're **** but we will die on our sword. You can rant all you want about how great these deals are but deep down inside you know
They said the same thing last time. It means there are no new ones for Cyber Monday. What you see is what you get.
What you see is trash and that's what you get
We can tone down the exaggerating. They're not trash. They're not a slap in the face. They're not a sign of the Apocalypse. They're just not what people expected.
It IS a slap in the face. I grinded my ass off for units and saved up hoping to get better deals than last year. Something to help my game progression.
I at least expected to see a selector in the money offers.

But the decent deals are locked behind a peasant gate unlocked by luck? That makes all the time and REAL money i spent over the past year POINTLESS.

Moreover, TB real money offers are more value than CAV - despite it being the same money. The whole concept is mindblowing. As if cavalier aren't dedicated customers.

As a customer, that is EXACTLY what i call a slap in the face.
A slap in the face? They gave a significant amount of Resources which would otherwise be earned over time, in exchange for Units and/or money, and in the case of the money deals, the value of what's regularly offered was increased greatly by adding other things. You're certainly entitled to your feelings on it, but it's not a slap in the face.
Part of the problem is that each reduced the value of the other. That is, some of the cash bundles offered items completely absent in the unit offers, thus reducing the value of units. And with the value of units reduced, those units attached to the cash were also less desirable. But the cash offers (for cav, at least) aren’t strong enough to stand on their own. And the unit offers aren’t good enough to drive anyone to buy the cash bundles to get them?? These are synergistic offers, but thus time they cooperated to create a very undesirable consumer response.
I'm not sure why they would have to contain the same Items. There are Cash Offers, and there are Unit Offers. Some people might have to buy the Units to get the Unit Offers, but they're not automatically correlated. There are options on both fronts. I'm Cav, and the only one I didn't find to be particularly motivating is the Peter Parker, simply because the Frags and Units weren't much help.
Because some items have been too aggressively walled behind cash, to the extant that units feel like a second rate currency. I think that point has been established by the FTP community.
There is no competing with people that spend. There's no comparison. People who don't spend will never keep up with those that do. They can play alongside them, and be competitive, as BG has proven. They just can't keep up with them. That's what people are paying for. I have no idea where the F2P/P2P myth came from, but it's not going to happen.
Did you watch his video?

No, but I heard the gist of it was he was disappointed. I'm going to be totally honest here. If I had the Units I would have bought everything. Where else are you going to get a 6* AG? Not many places.
It's not a one-stop for everything we need in the game. Who would play or work towards anything after that? The most valuable Resource is T5CCs. Do I think it sucks that it's being trickled? Sure. I'm further off than most people here. I understand it. I don't have to like it. I just get it.

Lovejoy72 · November 2020

Worknprogress said:

Lovejoy72 said:

New_Noob168 said:
Another thing is...with Cavalier...if you bought all the deals plus the unit ones, you'd have way too many t2a and can't even upgrade any champ because no t5b. I guess Kabam didn't think about that.
They gave no T2a to TB apparently. What a weird bunch of offers.
The t5b to t2a balance has been totally out of whack for quite a while for high tier players. Same with T4cc of all things actually.

So, totally off the wall question: would you have bought some of the cav offers for the t2a, if you could have gotten them?

Worknprogress · November 2020

Lovejoy72 said:

Worknprogress said:

Lovejoy72 said:

New_Noob168 said:
Another thing is...with Cavalier...if you bought all the deals plus the unit ones, you'd have way too many t2a and can't even upgrade any champ because no t5b. I guess Kabam didn't think about that.
They gave no T2a to TB apparently. What a weird bunch of offers.
The t5b to t2a balance has been totally out of whack for quite a while for high tier players. Same with T4cc of all things actually.
So, totally off the wall question: would you have bought some of the cav offers for the t2a, if you could have gotten them?

Personally, no. I'm sure a lot of people may have. I stepped back from high rank AW/AQ last month so my rankups have ground to a halt compared to before and I had a decent stash of them built up prior to today

Worknprogress · November 2020

GroundedWisdom said:

Lovejoy72 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Lovejoy72 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Lovejoy72 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Yaron_aviv said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DL864 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

DL864 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:

GroundedWisdom said:

TypicalGamer said:
Not only are the cash offers for cavalier underwhelming, the unit offers are awful for F2P players. Disappointment would be an understatement. Why on earth would cavalier players want t4bc as part of the 1000 unit deal? I already have 10 in overflow.
It's part of the first Offer only. Which you still use them to Rank Champs.
The fact that you need to buy an offer that isn’t worth it to unlock the next deal is bs. Compare this with the 4th of July deals earlier this year, this is awful. And I’ve already mentioned that I have over 10 overflowing so I would have already ranked up champs if I wanted to.
You might, others might not. To the best of my knowledge, no one has outgrown T4CCs. At the very least, you need them to R2 a 6*.
I said T4BC not T4CC. The offers are worse than 4th of July deals period.
I don't know why people keep comparing them to the 4th of July deals. They have nothing to do with each other. The game would be in a sad state of affairs if they constantly had to do more every Offer. The bottom line is, you have a great deal of Resources that are offered this weekend which aren't normally offered for the price they are, regardless of what they gave before or what people think of them.
I'm not ignorant. I get that people are disappointed with them. Anyone with reading capabilities could see that. I'm also aware that it will affect the outcome of sales after this. I get it. I'm just not comparing it to anything else. These Offers are stand-alone.
Realistically, some people expected more towards TB. I understand that. Some even thought they'd be hitting TB with the Offers and scooping up more. A nice idea, but not a reasonable thing to assume. I'm speaking from experience. Anytime I let the hamster run and start building expectations, I end up setting myself up for disappointment because things rarely line up when they pan out. Which is why I've adopted a wait-and-see approach.
I just don't think catastrophizing and making claims of a slap in the face, or the myriad of other exaggerations are really appropriate to the situation. When people are saying it's their fault that their expectations weren't met, that's not really true. No one knew anything about what was coming. People filled in the blanks in their own minds.
I can understand that people wanted more, but I have to point out when these expectations aren't reasonable. I don't think it's reasonable for the game to know exactly what each of us need personally, and I don't think it's reasonable to think everyone that's Cav would get the Cat they needed to hit TB in one day.
Dude when they say the offers wont change in the email a week before the deals came out is basically saying we know they're **** but we will die on our sword. You can rant all you want about how great these deals are but deep down inside you know
They said the same thing last time. It means there are no new ones for Cyber Monday. What you see is what you get.
What you see is trash and that's what you get
We can tone down the exaggerating. They're not trash. They're not a slap in the face. They're not a sign of the Apocalypse. They're just not what people expected.
It IS a slap in the face. I grinded my ass off for units and saved up hoping to get better deals than last year. Something to help my game progression.
I at least expected to see a selector in the money offers.

But the decent deals are locked behind a peasant gate unlocked by luck? That makes all the time and REAL money i spent over the past year POINTLESS.

Moreover, TB real money offers are more value than CAV - despite it being the same money. The whole concept is mindblowing. As if cavalier aren't dedicated customers.

As a customer, that is EXACTLY what i call a slap in the face.
A slap in the face? They gave a significant amount of Resources which would otherwise be earned over time, in exchange for Units and/or money, and in the case of the money deals, the value of what's regularly offered was increased greatly by adding other things. You're certainly entitled to your feelings on it, but it's not a slap in the face.
Part of the problem is that each reduced the value of the other. That is, some of the cash bundles offered items completely absent in the unit offers, thus reducing the value of units. And with the value of units reduced, those units attached to the cash were also less desirable. But the cash offers (for cav, at least) aren’t strong enough to stand on their own. And the unit offers aren’t good enough to drive anyone to buy the cash bundles to get them?? These are synergistic offers, but thus time they cooperated to create a very undesirable consumer response.
I'm not sure why they would have to contain the same Items. There are Cash Offers, and there are Unit Offers. Some people might have to buy the Units to get the Unit Offers, but they're not automatically correlated. There are options on both fronts. I'm Cav, and the only one I didn't find to be particularly motivating is the Peter Parker, simply because the Frags and Units weren't much help.
Because some items have been too aggressively walled behind cash, to the extant that units feel like a second rate currency. I think that point has been established by the FTP community.
There is no competing with people that spend. There's no comparison. People who don't spend will never keep up with those that do. They can play alongside them, and be competitive, as BG has proven. They just can't keep up with them. That's what people are paying for. I have no idea where the F2P/P2P myth came from, but it's not going to happen.
Did you watch his video?
No, but I heard the gist of it was he was disappointed. I'm going to be totally honest here. If I had the Units I would have bought everything. Where else are you going to get a 6* AG? Not many places.
It's not a one-stop for everything we need in the game. Who would play or work towards anything after that? The most valuable Resource is T5CCs. Do I think it sucks that it's being trickled? Sure. I'm further off than most people here. I understand it. I don't have to like it. I just get it.

As he said in his video, that 6* in lots of instances (even after an AG) is essentially useless compared to 5*s due to a ridiculous lack of sig stones available.

Aznkerbz · November 2020

DrPIT said:
Thank you everyone for your comments. I am also a Cavalier player who needed some T5cc and was prepared to pay with units and/or cash for a decent T5cc selector. However, the "deals" provided none of this.

Do Abyss of Legends

Worknprogress · November 2020

I disagree with a WHOLE lot of what's been said here and other threads today. One thing I absolutely agree with is the unit cache offers for both TB and Cav were terrible. There was some decent value for money at both levels today but for units, I have no idea what they were thinking.

BadPullsMarco · November 2020

What's wild is they most likely knew this would happen, hence the blue text that they put in the offer announcements.

Lovejoy72 · November 2020

Worknprogress said:

Lovejoy72 said:

Worknprogress said:

Lovejoy72 said:

New_Noob168 said:
Another thing is...with Cavalier...if you bought all the deals plus the unit ones, you'd have way too many t2a and can't even upgrade any champ because no t5b. I guess Kabam didn't think about that.
They gave no T2a to TB apparently. What a weird bunch of offers.
The t5b to t2a balance has been totally out of whack for quite a while for high tier players. Same with T4cc of all things actually.
So, totally off the wall question: would you have bought some of the cav offers for the t2a, if you could have gotten them?
Personally, no. I'm sure a lot of people may have. I stepped back from high rank AW/AQ last month so my rankups have ground to a halt compared to before and I had a decent stash of them built up prior to today

Isn’t that something, though? Even for TB, the cav offers from July are still better, in some ways. This split made it easier to keep resource gates on both ends.

hephaestus · November 2020

I've spent at least $100 every July and November since I started playing 5 years ago. Nothing worth spending on this time.

Worknprogress · November 2020

Lovejoy72 said:

Worknprogress said:

Lovejoy72 said:

Worknprogress said:

Lovejoy72 said:

New_Noob168 said:
Another thing is...with Cavalier...if you bought all the deals plus the unit ones, you'd have way too many t2a and can't even upgrade any champ because no t5b. I guess Kabam didn't think about that.
They gave no T2a to TB apparently. What a weird bunch of offers.
The t5b to t2a balance has been totally out of whack for quite a while for high tier players. Same with T4cc of all things actually.
So, totally off the wall question: would you have bought some of the cav offers for the t2a, if you could have gotten them?
Personally, no. I'm sure a lot of people may have. I stepped back from high rank AW/AQ last month so my rankups have ground to a halt compared to before and I had a decent stash of them built up prior to today
Isn’t that something, though? Even for TB, the cav offers from July are still better, in some ways. This split made it easier to keep resource gates on both ends.

Today's TB cash offers had more of what I'm mostly concerned about (t5cc and 6* sigs), also more of what I don't really care at all about (3 champ nexus crystals), and less or none of what I still somewhat would have liked to see (6* shards, t2a, T4cc, and t4b).

No offer is going to be perfect for everyone. I got mostly shafted from everything but the t5cc selectors today. Every single champ crystal was a miss or something of minimal benefit (sigs on CMM and Ghost). Unfortunately that's the nature of the game we all choose to continue to play.

While I think the reaction to the cav offers is being blown way out of proportion (that's kind of what this community seems to do about everything though), I did think they would have been better than they were. The unit caches were just terrible for everyone and I'd really be annoyed if I was f2p and a grinder

Musicius · November 2020

Yeah thanks for shanking us this year kabam, I still spent and bought them like a fool but I’m seriously beginning to wonder if you care for the cavalier community cause over and over you keep stepping over us.

Oh and btw, thanks for this nexus

Made me really want to keep playing after paying an Odin for this

Jank39 · November 2020

As a largely ftp cavalier player who whales out and spends $$$ twice a year, you've given me no incentive to spend at all as nothing on sale will help me in the final few steps to get to thronebreaker. Those units I've saved to now will be either saved till July 4 or spent on the abyss or forthcoming content... I would suggest that you've missed catering for quite a large segment of your market.

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