Its just so absurd the different in offers, its just so hard to get around the fact that one smaller group pays $30 for a nexus and this other huge group pays $100 for the same thing when most have done the same content. 100% agree. If I were to try this with my business I’m pretty sure I’d be staring at a discrimination lawsuit. Yes, business that give discounts to certain customers due to memberships or frequent business get sued for discrimination all the time...
Its just so absurd the different in offers, its just so hard to get around the fact that one smaller group pays $30 for a nexus and this other huge group pays $100 for the same thing when most have done the same content. 100% agree. If I were to try this with my business I’m pretty sure I’d be staring at a discrimination lawsuit.
Its just so absurd the different in offers, its just so hard to get around the fact that one smaller group pays $30 for a nexus and this other huge group pays $100 for the same thing when most have done the same content.
Its just so absurd the different in offers, its just so hard to get around the fact that one smaller group pays $30 for a nexus and this other huge group pays $100 for the same thing when most have done the same content. 100% agree. If I were to try this with my business I’m pretty sure I’d be staring at a discrimination lawsuit. Yes, business that give discounts to certain customers due to memberships or frequent business get sued for discrimination all the time... Is TB based on a “membership” or frequent business? I must have missed that. People are spending the same amount and getting different stuff, that’s far from the same as your examples. Keep trying though
Its just so absurd the different in offers, its just so hard to get around the fact that one smaller group pays $30 for a nexus and this other huge group pays $100 for the same thing when most have done the same content. 100% agree. If I were to try this with my business I’m pretty sure I’d be staring at a discrimination lawsuit. Yes, business that give discounts to certain customers due to memberships or frequent business get sued for discrimination all the time... Is TB based on a “membership” or frequent business? I must have missed that. People are spending the same amount and getting different stuff, that’s far from the same as your examples. Keep trying though It's not though. It's paying less based on some arbitrary qualifier. In this instance it's having a R3 and completing 6.4. In my examples it's frequent business or a membership. Completely the same thing but keep trying to work out your own mental gymnastics to figure out how this is some egregious wrongdoing.
Its just so absurd the different in offers, its just so hard to get around the fact that one smaller group pays $30 for a nexus and this other huge group pays $100 for the same thing when most have done the same content. 100% agree. If I were to try this with my business I’m pretty sure I’d be staring at a discrimination lawsuit. Yes, business that give discounts to certain customers due to memberships or frequent business get sued for discrimination all the time... Is TB based on a “membership” or frequent business? I must have missed that. People are spending the same amount and getting different stuff, that’s far from the same as your examples. Keep trying though It's not though. It's paying less based on some arbitrary qualifier. In this instance it's having a R3 and completing 6.4. In my examples it's frequent business or a membership. Completely the same thing but keep trying to work out your own mental gymnastics to figure out how this is some egregious wrongdoing. I would take a guess and say that most of these people had no issue with the deals when they were getting the highest tier and uncollected players were excluded. They got shafted this time to be sure, and I don't want to negate that. But I find the argument disingenuous when they weren't making it 5 months ago.
What is the immediate and game changing effect of reaching Thronebreaker, and why exactly would it have been so terrible to have a flood of new TB summoners? Is there a secret quest with amazing account progressing rewards that I'm unaware of that is locked behind the title? This here is what I would like to know as well. A few people are harping about flood of TB and game balance being upset. What’s the drawback of people who are on the verge of hitting TB actually progressing all at once a couple of weeks earlier then normal by buying either cash or unit deals?
What is the immediate and game changing effect of reaching Thronebreaker, and why exactly would it have been so terrible to have a flood of new TB summoners? Is there a secret quest with amazing account progressing rewards that I'm unaware of that is locked behind the title?
Meaningful: cf. Elder’s BaneDifficult to obtain: some titles for some players, perhapsSpecific to content: champ rank requirements aren’t specific to content Dr. Zola Meaningful: If it didn't matter, do you think people would be here fighting for it? Difficult to obtain: Obvious.Specific to content: You not only need to complete Act 6, you also need to do sufficient content to get the Cat to Rank. By that time, you should at least have one Champ of that Class. The rest about Ranking only certain Champs is added on by selectiveness.
Meaningful: cf. Elder’s BaneDifficult to obtain: some titles for some players, perhapsSpecific to content: champ rank requirements aren’t specific to content Dr. Zola
Its just so absurd the different in offers, its just so hard to get around the fact that one smaller group pays $30 for a nexus and this other huge group pays $100 for the same thing when most have done the same content. 100% agree. If I were to try this with my business I’m pretty sure I’d be staring at a discrimination lawsuit. Yes, business that give discounts to certain customers due to memberships or frequent business get sued for discrimination all the time... Is TB based on a “membership” or frequent business? I must have missed that. People are spending the same amount and getting different stuff, that’s far from the same as your examples. Keep trying though It's not though. It's paying less based on some arbitrary qualifier. In this instance it's having a R3 and completing 6.4. In my examples it's frequent business or a membership. Completely the same thing but keep trying to work out your own mental gymnastics to figure out how this is some egregious wrongdoing. Because if someone else has done the same amount of content (frequent business) but doesn’t have the R3 because of rng, they are entitled to less? Your arguments don’t hold water and frankly it’s exactly what is wrong with this community. You sit on message boards (quite a few as well) and argue about why you deserve more than others. Again, no one said you don’t deserve TB or whatever else. Frankly it’s exactly why I usually avoid these forums altogether. It’s frankly not worth the time to argue with a wall. Dr. Zola is a prime example of someone that was wronged, not me. I’ve only been playing for a little bit and frankly don’t spend much on the game either way.
I see the issue when people compare 4th of July deals. The confusion was Kabam made that offer to benefit top tier players now known as “ thronebreaker ” and cavalier players alike. That was the issue they were facing as a company. someone who just beat the collector were able to get the rewards as someone who just 100% abyss. As a result the rewards became inflated because they were targeting a large audience. Cavalier players got spoiled with rewards designs for two groups. All Kabam did was separate them. The T5cc deals are not very relevant. They are small usually 4500 a pop, unless you have a steady flow coming in, it won’t make or break your account. Kabam has made it clear they want to separate the players and I’m sure they did this because cavalier players were able to progress significantly faster then what they should have been, next thing you know , you have players beating act 6 with R3 champs. You see this happening in older content where people are going into act 6.1 and even 100% act 5 with 2-3 5/65 champs. Once they get to the level of a true thronebreaker, they don’t have the skills to complete it. We saw this happen with the champion boss and players quit. In order to progress the struggling cavalier players they actually nerfed the content to push more players into higher tier progression. I guess my point is , cavalier players benefited a ton from top tier players because Kabam bundled deals. I think it is unwise to lump all Cav players in together. What you are suggesting is a type of coattails argument—that Cavs were mostly too unlucky, or too cheap or too “lazy” or just bought their way through and have been able to ride the coattails of the deserving go-getters until TB separated the wheat from the chaff—and now the non-TBs are just angry to be off the gravy train. It’s a seductive line of reasoning, especially if you believe you are one of the deserving go-getters. I would suggest that the pool of deserving go-getters is far smaller than the pool of TBs. Dr. Zola You are right . I shouldn’t have lumped them together. But people were expecting to drop max odins on the throne-breaker. I wouldn’t call it riding a coattail as much as just an inheritance of circumstances. I believe I am deserving go better as I have all the content done. I don’t believe that cavalier should benefit anymore until they stretch their roster out. This is what I can’t stand- a sense of entitlement and belief that they deserve more than others. Worry about yourself and your own progression, not what others do or get. I’ve never seen so many entitled people trying to tell other people what they do/don’t deserve. But you can have an opinion? Entitlement ? I earned them. Also, I think for the sake of the game it is important for players of all tiers to contribute. Not saying you can’t have an opinion, just not sure why some people focus on other people’s progression. I never said people don’t deserve things, I love seeing others achieve milestones, you did by stating that others don’t deserve something until they broaden their rosters. That is the difference to me. So many people worried about what others get. That’s where the entitlement came in.
I see the issue when people compare 4th of July deals. The confusion was Kabam made that offer to benefit top tier players now known as “ thronebreaker ” and cavalier players alike. That was the issue they were facing as a company. someone who just beat the collector were able to get the rewards as someone who just 100% abyss. As a result the rewards became inflated because they were targeting a large audience. Cavalier players got spoiled with rewards designs for two groups. All Kabam did was separate them. The T5cc deals are not very relevant. They are small usually 4500 a pop, unless you have a steady flow coming in, it won’t make or break your account. Kabam has made it clear they want to separate the players and I’m sure they did this because cavalier players were able to progress significantly faster then what they should have been, next thing you know , you have players beating act 6 with R3 champs. You see this happening in older content where people are going into act 6.1 and even 100% act 5 with 2-3 5/65 champs. Once they get to the level of a true thronebreaker, they don’t have the skills to complete it. We saw this happen with the champion boss and players quit. In order to progress the struggling cavalier players they actually nerfed the content to push more players into higher tier progression. I guess my point is , cavalier players benefited a ton from top tier players because Kabam bundled deals. I think it is unwise to lump all Cav players in together. What you are suggesting is a type of coattails argument—that Cavs were mostly too unlucky, or too cheap or too “lazy” or just bought their way through and have been able to ride the coattails of the deserving go-getters until TB separated the wheat from the chaff—and now the non-TBs are just angry to be off the gravy train. It’s a seductive line of reasoning, especially if you believe you are one of the deserving go-getters. I would suggest that the pool of deserving go-getters is far smaller than the pool of TBs. Dr. Zola You are right . I shouldn’t have lumped them together. But people were expecting to drop max odins on the throne-breaker. I wouldn’t call it riding a coattail as much as just an inheritance of circumstances. I believe I am deserving go better as I have all the content done. I don’t believe that cavalier should benefit anymore until they stretch their roster out. This is what I can’t stand- a sense of entitlement and belief that they deserve more than others. Worry about yourself and your own progression, not what others do or get. I’ve never seen so many entitled people trying to tell other people what they do/don’t deserve. But you can have an opinion? Entitlement ? I earned them. Also, I think for the sake of the game it is important for players of all tiers to contribute.
I see the issue when people compare 4th of July deals. The confusion was Kabam made that offer to benefit top tier players now known as “ thronebreaker ” and cavalier players alike. That was the issue they were facing as a company. someone who just beat the collector were able to get the rewards as someone who just 100% abyss. As a result the rewards became inflated because they were targeting a large audience. Cavalier players got spoiled with rewards designs for two groups. All Kabam did was separate them. The T5cc deals are not very relevant. They are small usually 4500 a pop, unless you have a steady flow coming in, it won’t make or break your account. Kabam has made it clear they want to separate the players and I’m sure they did this because cavalier players were able to progress significantly faster then what they should have been, next thing you know , you have players beating act 6 with R3 champs. You see this happening in older content where people are going into act 6.1 and even 100% act 5 with 2-3 5/65 champs. Once they get to the level of a true thronebreaker, they don’t have the skills to complete it. We saw this happen with the champion boss and players quit. In order to progress the struggling cavalier players they actually nerfed the content to push more players into higher tier progression. I guess my point is , cavalier players benefited a ton from top tier players because Kabam bundled deals. I think it is unwise to lump all Cav players in together. What you are suggesting is a type of coattails argument—that Cavs were mostly too unlucky, or too cheap or too “lazy” or just bought their way through and have been able to ride the coattails of the deserving go-getters until TB separated the wheat from the chaff—and now the non-TBs are just angry to be off the gravy train. It’s a seductive line of reasoning, especially if you believe you are one of the deserving go-getters. I would suggest that the pool of deserving go-getters is far smaller than the pool of TBs. Dr. Zola You are right . I shouldn’t have lumped them together. But people were expecting to drop max odins on the throne-breaker. I wouldn’t call it riding a coattail as much as just an inheritance of circumstances. I believe I am deserving go better as I have all the content done. I don’t believe that cavalier should benefit anymore until they stretch their roster out. This is what I can’t stand- a sense of entitlement and belief that they deserve more than others. Worry about yourself and your own progression, not what others do or get. I’ve never seen so many entitled people trying to tell other people what they do/don’t deserve.
I see the issue when people compare 4th of July deals. The confusion was Kabam made that offer to benefit top tier players now known as “ thronebreaker ” and cavalier players alike. That was the issue they were facing as a company. someone who just beat the collector were able to get the rewards as someone who just 100% abyss. As a result the rewards became inflated because they were targeting a large audience. Cavalier players got spoiled with rewards designs for two groups. All Kabam did was separate them. The T5cc deals are not very relevant. They are small usually 4500 a pop, unless you have a steady flow coming in, it won’t make or break your account. Kabam has made it clear they want to separate the players and I’m sure they did this because cavalier players were able to progress significantly faster then what they should have been, next thing you know , you have players beating act 6 with R3 champs. You see this happening in older content where people are going into act 6.1 and even 100% act 5 with 2-3 5/65 champs. Once they get to the level of a true thronebreaker, they don’t have the skills to complete it. We saw this happen with the champion boss and players quit. In order to progress the struggling cavalier players they actually nerfed the content to push more players into higher tier progression. I guess my point is , cavalier players benefited a ton from top tier players because Kabam bundled deals. I think it is unwise to lump all Cav players in together. What you are suggesting is a type of coattails argument—that Cavs were mostly too unlucky, or too cheap or too “lazy” or just bought their way through and have been able to ride the coattails of the deserving go-getters until TB separated the wheat from the chaff—and now the non-TBs are just angry to be off the gravy train. It’s a seductive line of reasoning, especially if you believe you are one of the deserving go-getters. I would suggest that the pool of deserving go-getters is far smaller than the pool of TBs. Dr. Zola You are right . I shouldn’t have lumped them together. But people were expecting to drop max odins on the throne-breaker. I wouldn’t call it riding a coattail as much as just an inheritance of circumstances. I believe I am deserving go better as I have all the content done. I don’t believe that cavalier should benefit anymore until they stretch their roster out.
I see the issue when people compare 4th of July deals. The confusion was Kabam made that offer to benefit top tier players now known as “ thronebreaker ” and cavalier players alike. That was the issue they were facing as a company. someone who just beat the collector were able to get the rewards as someone who just 100% abyss. As a result the rewards became inflated because they were targeting a large audience. Cavalier players got spoiled with rewards designs for two groups. All Kabam did was separate them. The T5cc deals are not very relevant. They are small usually 4500 a pop, unless you have a steady flow coming in, it won’t make or break your account. Kabam has made it clear they want to separate the players and I’m sure they did this because cavalier players were able to progress significantly faster then what they should have been, next thing you know , you have players beating act 6 with R3 champs. You see this happening in older content where people are going into act 6.1 and even 100% act 5 with 2-3 5/65 champs. Once they get to the level of a true thronebreaker, they don’t have the skills to complete it. We saw this happen with the champion boss and players quit. In order to progress the struggling cavalier players they actually nerfed the content to push more players into higher tier progression. I guess my point is , cavalier players benefited a ton from top tier players because Kabam bundled deals. I think it is unwise to lump all Cav players in together. What you are suggesting is a type of coattails argument—that Cavs were mostly too unlucky, or too cheap or too “lazy” or just bought their way through and have been able to ride the coattails of the deserving go-getters until TB separated the wheat from the chaff—and now the non-TBs are just angry to be off the gravy train. It’s a seductive line of reasoning, especially if you believe you are one of the deserving go-getters. I would suggest that the pool of deserving go-getters is far smaller than the pool of TBs. Dr. Zola
I see the issue when people compare 4th of July deals. The confusion was Kabam made that offer to benefit top tier players now known as “ thronebreaker ” and cavalier players alike. That was the issue they were facing as a company. someone who just beat the collector were able to get the rewards as someone who just 100% abyss. As a result the rewards became inflated because they were targeting a large audience. Cavalier players got spoiled with rewards designs for two groups. All Kabam did was separate them. The T5cc deals are not very relevant. They are small usually 4500 a pop, unless you have a steady flow coming in, it won’t make or break your account. Kabam has made it clear they want to separate the players and I’m sure they did this because cavalier players were able to progress significantly faster then what they should have been, next thing you know , you have players beating act 6 with R3 champs. You see this happening in older content where people are going into act 6.1 and even 100% act 5 with 2-3 5/65 champs. Once they get to the level of a true thronebreaker, they don’t have the skills to complete it. We saw this happen with the champion boss and players quit. In order to progress the struggling cavalier players they actually nerfed the content to push more players into higher tier progression. I guess my point is , cavalier players benefited a ton from top tier players because Kabam bundled deals.
They're literally meaningful, difficult to obtain, and specific to content. What content are they specific to? 100% story can potentially net someone the cat but rng can be r3 groot, og dd, og cap, pat, fixit or diablo. If you want to r3 those champs as I seen on forums someone loves diablo and did it cause he wants to that is fantastic but forcing anyone to rank that person is not. I am a lowly cav that does the 4* challenge itemless, nerfed act 6 champion i was doing 2 lanes in 1 go to save time itemless (bar refills not even a boost). It's a kick in the teeth seeing people that only ran through act 6 but bought all the cats available be further in progress than me. No biggie figure i could use this cyber weekend get some resources that help my act 6 push and more items that truly help my account to boot. I personally didn't ask for much just not a stupid r5 gem but the cats instead and swap that t5 random to a selector.I'm at 50% of every single t5c 7 r2 6*12 r5 5* (with 2 gems that meh I'll get around to)19 r4 5*31 6* in general 4 duped with rhulk at 60 dupeAnd I can very easily have to decide (if I get t5c skill) if I want to r3 og dd for the title.Not all cavalier are the same that is for sure. Titles should never include rng.
They're literally meaningful, difficult to obtain, and specific to content.
Its just so absurd the different in offers, its just so hard to get around the fact that one smaller group pays $30 for a nexus and this other huge group pays $100 for the same thing when most have done the same content. 100% agree. If I were to try this with my business I’m pretty sure I’d be staring at a discrimination lawsuit. Yes, business that give discounts to certain customers due to memberships or frequent business get sued for discrimination all the time... Is TB based on a “membership” or frequent business? I must have missed that. People are spending the same amount and getting different stuff, that’s far from the same as your examples. Keep trying though It's not though. It's paying less based on some arbitrary qualifier. In this instance it's having a R3 and completing 6.4. In my examples it's frequent business or a membership. Completely the same thing but keep trying to work out your own mental gymnastics to figure out how this is some egregious wrongdoing. I would take a guess and say that most of these people had no issue with the deals when they were getting the highest tier and uncollected players were excluded. They got shafted this time to be sure, and I don't want to negate that. But I find the argument disingenuous when they weren't making it 5 months ago. I would argue the difference between 5 months ago and today's offers are because 5 months ago you needed to complete content alone to gain the cavalier title. Now you need to not only complete content but have rng bless you with a worthy champ to rank as well as the correct t4cc. If thronebreaker was based solely off content completion I would 100% agree with you.
Its just so absurd the different in offers, its just so hard to get around the fact that one smaller group pays $30 for a nexus and this other huge group pays $100 for the same thing when most have done the same content. 100% agree. If I were to try this with my business I’m pretty sure I’d be staring at a discrimination lawsuit. Yes, business that give discounts to certain customers due to memberships or frequent business get sued for discrimination all the time... Is TB based on a “membership” or frequent business? I must have missed that. People are spending the same amount and getting different stuff, that’s far from the same as your examples. Keep trying though It's not though. It's paying less based on some arbitrary qualifier. In this instance it's having a R3 and completing 6.4. In my examples it's frequent business or a membership. Completely the same thing but keep trying to work out your own mental gymnastics to figure out how this is some egregious wrongdoing. I would take a guess and say that most of these people had no issue with the deals when they were getting the highest tier and uncollected players were excluded. They got shafted this time to be sure, and I don't want to negate that. But I find the argument disingenuous when they weren't making it 5 months ago. I would argue the difference between 5 months ago and today's offers are because 5 months ago you needed to complete content alone to gain the cavalier title. Now you need to not only complete content but have rng bless you with a worthy champ to rank as well as the correct t4cc. If thronebreaker was based solely off content completion I would 100% agree with you. The content it's supposed to be behind doesn't exist yet bc they had to stop for months and fiddle with Act 6 to cater to a lot of the people complaining this weekend.
Its just so absurd the different in offers, its just so hard to get around the fact that one smaller group pays $30 for a nexus and this other huge group pays $100 for the same thing when most have done the same content. 100% agree. If I were to try this with my business I’m pretty sure I’d be staring at a discrimination lawsuit. Yes, business that give discounts to certain customers due to memberships or frequent business get sued for discrimination all the time... Is TB based on a “membership” or frequent business? I must have missed that. People are spending the same amount and getting different stuff, that’s far from the same as your examples. Keep trying though It's not though. It's paying less based on some arbitrary qualifier. In this instance it's having a R3 and completing 6.4. In my examples it's frequent business or a membership. Completely the same thing but keep trying to work out your own mental gymnastics to figure out how this is some egregious wrongdoing. I would take a guess and say that most of these people had no issue with the deals when they were getting the highest tier and uncollected players were excluded. They got shafted this time to be sure, and I don't want to negate that. But I find the argument disingenuous when they weren't making it 5 months ago. I would argue the difference between 5 months ago and today's offers are because 5 months ago you needed to complete content alone to gain the cavalier title. Now you need to not only complete content but have rng bless you with a worthy champ to rank as well as the correct t4cc. If thronebreaker was based solely off content completion I would 100% agree with you. The content it's supposed to be behind doesn't exist yet bc they had to stop for months and fiddle with Act 6 to cater to a lot of the people complaining this weekend. Another way to put this is “they did such a terrible job understanding their players and designing content that they had to stop altogether and delay for months.”
Totally agree with dshu right there. Also, to the trolls out arguing against this obvious injustice, saying that were all just complaining because act 6 was too hard and they had to nerf it and that's why thronebreaker is locked behind an R3, what do you say to us that beat act 6 pre-nerf and have just gotten exact rng? I.E. true 1/6 on all are cc crystals and therefore no one total to use?
I bought the offers hoping i would get closer to having a fully formed T5CC and I instantly regretted the decision after RNG didn't go my way. After opening everything I felt as if i decided to go to the Casino and spend 500.00 and lost it all. Horrible feeling. My own fault but I can tell you right now with Christmas around the corner I don't plan to spend a dime on the gifting event this year and I usually spend a few hundred dollars. As well if I had not just sank all of that money into the game I would have just outright quit. Now i'm stuck somewhere in between. I'll be playing so I don't feel like I wasted my money on nothing but I don't know how enjoyable that will really be. My own fault. Likely won't make Thronebreaker until months from now...not because of my skill level but because of bad RNG. There is something wrong with that picture. RNG plays a good portion of the game I get that but when the requirement to progress is weighted so much on RNG skilled players are getting punished because of no fault of their own.Gotta enjoy all those expiring T2A's because of the lack of T5B in the offers so I can't rank anyone up.