Thoughts on Daredevil (Hell's Kitchen) Buff after trying him out?

Rookiie · December 2020

Guys, and mods, I'm giving this poll another go.
Not to come off as entitled, or angry, I just genuinely believe that numbers help paint a better picture. So please have another look here and pick which area you think could best use an improvement. Kabam have done great work on DD Flix, we just want to help them go all the way.

Crcrcrc · December 2020

He has miss😂
In all honesty, the only mechanic that I see doing something useful is the cruelty. That really shouldn’t be that way.

Rookiie · December 2020

Crcrcrc said:
He has miss😂
In all honesty, the only mechanic that I see doing something useful is the cruelty. That really shouldn’t be that way.

Yeah but it's not built in which seems to be a point of contention.
Edit: I guess I should have stated that explicitly in the poll. Anyway ..

BigPoppaCBONE · December 2020

I would have liked if he shrugged non-damaging debuffs and reduced potency of damaging debuffs as his combo meter increased but increased their duration as well. I think that would've been a good balance and fit into the idea for the build and the character better than straight gimping his healing.

Pulli · December 2020

They should implement one of Spider-Ham's abilities where when you dash back and hold block for a certain amount of time, he gets an evade passive, that allows him to evade all attacks over a certain period of time.

I would also like their him to be the best Void counter that we could have in the game, where Voids debuffs have no effect on him. This one might sound stupid, but it's nice to have a character that when you play, you don't have to worry about Void and his debuffs. (Man with no fear, can't fear the Void)

CoolFlame · December 2020

Also what about abilities like dodging projectiles? That's something that should be a part of his kit

TED355 · December 2020

i ll will be honest..he isnt that great.. and yes...if at all he would have had a passive true strike or something..wud have been helpful..

Kill_Grey · December 2020

He mostly just feels confusing and relatively clunky to play imo.

Shish15 · December 2020

I feel, if he had more utility, it would make him better, but his numbers are pretty pathetic, especially with all the cruelties and fury.

Cliffordcan · December 2020

Literally just put his regen back to 100% and he will be fine. Then people can actually use him with Suicides to get the damage they want out of him.

Lordabck · December 2020

This guy deserves true strike at least, while rage is active.

Ghost12 · December 2020

Sungj said:

GAMEOVERJames said:
R5 unawakened DD Vs. Winter Soldier after buffed (4-5min fight):

R5 unawakened DD vs. Winter Soldier before buffed (7-8min fight):

Conclusion: his damage output is significantly improved after buffed, but it’s still underwhelming....
If this was a rank 5 5* you played him very very wrong

Then suggest the play style bro its first day, not like all of us are gonna know how to use him

Ghost12 · December 2020

GAMEOVERJames said:
R5 unawakened DD Vs. Winter Soldier after buffed (4-5min fight):

R5 unawakened DD vs. Winter Soldier before buffed (7-8min fight):

Conclusion: his damage output is significantly improved after buffed, but it’s still underwhelming....

I don't think he even got a buff it feels like a nerf XD like taking the armor break hmm don't know why, it just feeks like with old man Logan we got over hyped and men did he turn out to be somewhat a dissapointing

Lvernon15 · December 2020

Very simple solution for the suicides issue, heal reduction is only on non damaging debuffs

Danyal_39 · December 2020

From I've seen on CCPs and from other's opinions, I made a misconception i my mind that DDHK is a bad character still after overhaul, but when i tried him myself as my 3 star high six one, i found him quite good as i don't suicides and after a minute's ramp up, he was hitting casual 4-5K mediums and 2-3K lights which were real good for a 3 star, also he was really consistent with his crits as he had about 3 to 4 furies and cruelties up.

I also don't think people are able to figure out his ideal or even consistent rotation. Anyway, I used this rotation.
i used MLLLM combo until 20 hits to get rage, then parried and threw heavy. Rinse and repeat until SP3, then get Righteous Wraith, the again used MLLLM till 20 hits and heavy to keep up cruelties and furies till SP2 then throw SP2, and repeat the entire cycle.

Mr_Platypus · December 2020

Giving him some way to refresh his buffs would probably go a long way too. As of now you have him designed with lots of little buffs that could stack up nicely, if they lasted longer or he had a refresh mechanic.

Troy_Elric123 · December 2020

https://youtu.be/HntUv5TRDr0

Troy_Elric123 · December 2020

16+ hits= 65% AAR + 35% Disorient = Not 100% ??

Danyal_39 · December 2020

Ghost12 said:
I've given him a few good tries and I still haven't seeing him done nothing to impressive but if anyone has figured out a good rotation plz let me know

@Ghost12 First use MLLLM combo until 20 hits to get rage then throw heavy to get cruelty anr to convert rage to fury, repeat it till SP3 to get righteous wrath, after that again do MLLLM combo till 20 hits and heavy until you SP2 then throw SP2 and repeat the entire cycle.

i was able to get 3-4 cruelties and furies stacks consistently using this rotation, and my 3 star DDHK was hitting 3-4.5K mediums crits and 2-3K light crits consistently.

ThatGuyYouSaw235 · December 2020

His combo was broken in that you couldn't weave in a Special Attack properly because of his animations.

Might as well add that a bunch of old champions are suicide friendly because their kits largely don't go to in depth into sps and it's kinda just split across the board.

Holros · December 2020

Berserker22 said:

Holros said:
I don't run suicides so I wouldn't know, but DD is not as bad as people are making him to be, not even close, he has solid utility and his damage is way above average.
I don't know what you guys are doing differently but DD is no dud
Silver surfer for example has above average damge and comparing his to DD damge, DD damge isn't even close to average

If that's what you feel who am I to change your opinion?, I have played around with him a lot and for me his damage is not bad, agreed not OP but bad?, nah fam, my 5* r3 was taking winter soldier in 300 hits, above average if you ask me.
Feel free to stick to your opinion though, I will stick to mine, taking mine to r5 in the nearest future.

Sadane · December 2020

The skill class so far has 2 great champions: Aegon and Nick Fury.
It has a specialist: Blade (arguably also Stealthy for his slow, but he’s more versatile).
It has great versatile champions: Falcon, Stealthy, Hit-Monkey, Elsa.
It has some fun champs, that are one utility piece away from glory: Black Widow (DO), Gwenpool, Masacre, Squirrel Girl.

And then there’s the champs that are so mediocre either in the damage or utility department, that there is no point in choosing them over the above mentioned.

ThatGuyYouSaw235 · December 2020

Sadane said:
The skill class so far has 2 great champions: Aegon and Nick Fury.
It has a specialist: Blade (arguably also Stealthy for his slow, but he’s more versatile).
It has great versatile champions: Falcon, Stealthy, Hit-Monkey, Elsa.
It has some fun champs, that are one utility piece away from glory: Black Widow (DO), Gwenpool, Masacre, Squirrel Girl.

And then there’s the champs that are so mediocre either in the damage or utility department, that there is no point in choosing them over the above mentioned.

*4 great skill champs, Stealthy and Hit-Monkey are definetely great champions all round.

Sadane · December 2020

Holros said:

Berserker22 said:

Holros said:
I don't run suicides so I wouldn't know, but DD is not as bad as people are making him to be, not even close, he has solid utility and his damage is way above average.
I don't know what you guys are doing differently but DD is no dud
Silver surfer for example has above average damge and comparing his to DD damge, DD damge isn't even close to average
If that's what you feel who am I to change your opinion?, I have played around with him a lot and for me his damage is not bad, agreed not OP but bad?, nah fam, my 5* r3 was taking winter soldier in 300 hits, above average if you ask me.
Feel free to stick to your opinion though, I will stick to mine, taking mine to r5 in the nearest future.

300 hits at r3 to take down WS is very, very bad. For reference, Havok takes 160, Hit Monkey 200, Storm X 150, Magneto 55, Colossus 60, Sym Supreme 220, Guardian 190, Elsa Bloodstone 210, Namor 140, Silver Surfer 180.

Sadane · December 2020

ThatGuyYouSaw235 said:

Sadane said:
The skill class so far has 2 great champions: Aegon and Nick Fury.
It has a specialist: Blade (arguably also Stealthy for his slow, but he’s more versatile).
It has great versatile champions: Falcon, Stealthy, Hit-Monkey, Elsa.
It has some fun champs, that are one utility piece away from glory: Black Widow (DO), Gwenpool, Masacre, Squirrel Girl.

And then there’s the champs that are so mediocre either in the damage or utility department, that there is no point in choosing them over the above mentioned.
*4 great skill champs, Stealthy and Hit-Monkey are definetely great champions all round.

I put them in versatile because they each have at least one flaw. For example, Stealthy relies on debuffs and has a low block proficiency. They are great, just not Aegon, Nick Fury level great.

Ghost12 · December 2020

Danyal_39 said:

Ghost12 said:
I've given him a few good tries and I still haven't seeing him done nothing to impressive but if anyone has figured out a good rotation plz let me know
@Ghost12 First use MLLLM combo until 20 hits to get rage then throw heavy to get cruelty anr to convert rage to fury, repeat it till SP3 to get righteous wrath, after that again do MLLLM combo till 20 hits and heavy until you SP2 then throw SP2 and repeat the entire cycle.

i was able to get 3-4 cruelties and furies stacks consistently using this rotation, and my 3 star DDHK was hitting 3-4.5K mediums crits and 2-3K light crits consistently.

You sir are a genius can't wait to try this

magnus_xix · December 2020

TripleB said:

magnus_xix said:
He has a comparable dps to Elsa Bloodstone and she has a religious cult following. So what's all the whining about?
@magnus_xix Where is your data?? I have both at r5 as 5*s and I can say they are DEFINITELY not even close in DPS. She beats him in nearly every way possible. Don’t spread false data.

6* rank 3 fully boosted, suicide masteries and dead nick fury:

5* rank 5 no boosts, no suicides and no meaningful attack synergies took down ROL Captain marvel in roughly 2:20 (with ideal rotation), Winter soldier in 2:45 (not ideal rotation) and Rhino in 2:15. From Seatin's r5 game play.

I'm not spreading false data, you need to check your numbers again 👍 @TripleB

Voltolos · December 2020

Berserker22 said:
From a class that considered as the weakest in game I can easily name like 7 charcters who's better than him, lol even falcon is better

"even falcon" as if thats a bad thing.

Thoughts on Daredevil (Hell's Kitchen) Buff after trying him out?

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