Act 7 critical assessment after doing it 100%.

BeroMan · December 2020

Okay, I am emotionally ready to get all dislikes for this post here but still wanted to share my perspective of act 7 after doing it 100% yesterday.

The content is definitely fun most of the time but I had a feeling that I was doing Variant content rather than newest act content that historically speaking always was challenging for end-game players. This was not at all, for people that done initial act 6 100% before nerfs this act 7 is a joke difficulty wise.

I understand why most of the people could like this kind of content more, but if Kabam plans to make Act content like Variants then they have to release something else for players that prefer to be challenged like it was initial act 6.2...If the game becomes only fun and not challenging, many will lose interest at some point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgXj2YdDKc8

Kill_Grey · December 2020

Not everybody has teams and alternate teams of rank 3 6*s like you probably do.

BeroMan · December 2020

Kill_Grey said:
Not everybody has teams and alternate teams of rank 3 6*s like you probably do.

That's true. That's why I am saying that there must be some content where even best rosters will be challenged, otherwise, it would feel like we finished this game and it's time to retire.

Iron_Patriot_is_lit · December 2020

Act 6 was painful and challenging with little to no fun. For people that don’t have a team filled with R3’s this seems like fun content with lesser difficulty. Whether you think this is too easy or not, this is a step in the right direction as kabam is still trying to figure out the balance between fun and difficultly.

Sungj · December 2020

Kill_Grey said:
Not everybody has teams and alternate teams of rank 3 6*s like you probably do.

I mean there should be end game content for people who have teams of rank 3 six stars. I agree 7.1 was slightly overturned to the easy side but I think it shows a very good design shift from kabam. I think the paths were fun and challenging but the bosses for the most part were no worse than most path fights. In the first quest I fought the BW boss and didn't even realize she was the boss until the quest just ended. I think by concentrating on diversifying the boss fights kabam had to lower the quality of design of the bosses individually. I think if they can keep up this design philosophyin general in terms of quest lanes but add bosses with more depth to their mechanics in Future act 7 chapters it will be perfect

IKON · December 2020

Faseeh said:
This is just chapter 1. Wait for chapter 2. Take a look at act 6 and you might find out where it all started going wrong.....

These takes are the worst. You're not comparing 6.1 and 7.1, you compare 5.4 to 6.1 and 6.4 to 7.1. 6.1 was comparable difficulty to 5.4, 6.4 is significantly more difficult than 7.1.

Smitty · December 2020

Book 2 is a “joke” difficulty wise if you have skill and a very mature roster.

Don’t forget there are other players who don’t have a diverse roster or R3s.

StevieManWonder · December 2020

I mean, story content is no longer endgame content.

Arifutera · December 2020

I have r3's and I can say it's fun but not challenging, Hope 7.2 will be challenging

pseudosane · December 2020

You still have folks not doing act6.... if they are motivated to do act7 i think it is a step in the right direction. Act6 was and is horrible and tedious. Content is meant to be played. Story content is meant to be completed, not like dark soul's type content that is so hard only a small percent is willing to subject themselves to it.

_Kill_Switch_ · December 2020

We often praise the execution of Variants. If Act 7.1 is along those lines then I'm not complaining.
Story content has to be more than just about difficulty, it must be inventive, progressive and most impostantly, entertaining. That's precisely how I felt completing 7.1 and I'm absolutely satisfied with that. One of the few nicely balanced aspects of the game in an ocean of imbalance.

Madman_marvin · December 2020

pseudosane said:
You still have folks not doing act6.... if they are motivated to do act7 i think it is a step in the right direction. Act6 was and is horrible and tedious. Content is meant to be played. Story content is meant to be completed, not like dark soul's type content that is so hard only a small percent is willing to subject themselves to it.

THIS RIGHT HERE
This content was fun with the right amount of challenge. No 10 winding paths where you have to do punishing and tedious fights over and over. I have no desire to 100% act 6 because of the gates, other mechanisms. I actually want to 100% 7.1.

Stagedear85 · December 2020

Don't worry summer of Pain or Spring of Pain will coming soon and that's something the "END GAME" players can Whale out and challenge them self with, i think story modes should be fun and interactive, im ok with LOL and Abbys being difficult because those content is not for everyone.

Stagedear85 · December 2020

ok and ill add 90 % of people that did Act 6 100% including myself hated it we did it for the resources but other that the collector fight in Act 6.4 it was just a horrible design with many pain point, if you ask me i would rather Variant be hard but a story should be fun and interactive.

Thedancingkid · December 2020

Smitty said:
Book 2 is a “joke” difficulty wise if you have skill and a very mature roster.

Don’t forget there are other players who don’t have a diverse roster or R3s.

I’ve only done completion and a few more paths but so far it doesn’t need that much skill or mature roster, and definitely not r3 champs. Some path have even been pretty much explicitly designed so they could
be done with anyone, pleasure to burn path in 711 or brute force in 714 for instance. I definitely won’t do itemless exploration (just like I haven’t done itemless completion), but it’s so far the easiest story content I’ve faced since I’ve finished act3 (considering my roster when first reaching 456).

KnightZero · December 2020

Haji_Saab said:
A lot of subjective things have been said in the thread.

I will just comment on one objective thing. Top of top level content was easily cleared within a day of its launch by anyone in a platinum level alliance. There will always be freak who clear everything really quickly but 7.1 was cleared by very average rosters in a day and will be explored by this weekend by a lot of people. That says a lot.

They still have to find a balance. It might have been easy, but I don't think 'anyone' in a Plat alliance cleared it on the first day. Also, I don't understand the rosters part. Content shouldn't be tuned to having specific champs. I'm not saying that higher level content should be easy, but it should be fun. Content should have people disinterested in completing it. They will find a balance to make content both hard and fun.

Mr_Platypus · December 2020

KnightZero said:

Haji_Saab said:
A lot of subjective things have been said in the thread.

I will just comment on one objective thing. Top of top level content was easily cleared within a day of its launch by anyone in a platinum level alliance. There will always be freak who clear everything really quickly but 7.1 was cleared by very average rosters in a day and will be explored by this weekend by a lot of people. That says a lot.
They still have to find a balance. It might have been easy, but I don't think 'anyone' in a Plat alliance cleared it on the first day. Also, I don't understand the rosters part. Content shouldn't be tuned to having specific champs. I'm not saying that higher level content should be easy, but it should be fun. Content should have people disinterested in completing it. They will find a balance to make content both hard and fun.

I’ve never played past gold 1 level and found an initial run to be incredibly easy. Could’ve gone itemless but I wasn’t boosting, played poorly at times and I have revived expiring anyways.

KnightZero · December 2020

Mr_Platypus said:

KnightZero said:

Haji_Saab said:
A lot of subjective things have been said in the thread.

I will just comment on one objective thing. Top of top level content was easily cleared within a day of its launch by anyone in a platinum level alliance. There will always be freak who clear everything really quickly but 7.1 was cleared by very average rosters in a day and will be explored by this weekend by a lot of people. That says a lot.
They still have to find a balance. It might have been easy, but I don't think 'anyone' in a Plat alliance cleared it on the first day. Also, I don't understand the rosters part. Content shouldn't be tuned to having specific champs. I'm not saying that higher level content should be easy, but it should be fun. Content should have people disinterested in completing it. They will find a balance to make content both hard and fun.
I’ve never played past gold 1 level and found an initial run to be incredibly easy. Could’ve gone itemless but I wasn’t boosting, played poorly at times and I have revived expiring anyways.

I'm not saying that people haven't done it. I'm saying that you can't generalize. I didn't do it since I'm doing other content, just saying that they are still at a stage where they're finding a balance between fun and hard content. It will improve. But there is no point in making Story content that people don't want to do. Act 6 with it's initial difficulty wasn't worth the rewards. So people weren't doing it.

BigManOnCampus · December 2020

BeroMan said:
Okay, I am emotionally ready to get all dislikes for this post here but still wanted to share my perspective of act 7 after doing it 100% yesterday.

The content is definitely fun most of the time but I had a feeling that I was doing Variant content rather than newest act content that historically speaking always was challenging for end-game players. This was not at all, for people that done initial act 6 100% before nerfs this act 7 is a joke difficulty wise.

I understand why most of the people could like this kind of content more, but if Kabam plans to make Act content like Variants then they have to release something else for players that prefer to be challenged like it was initial act 6.2...If the game becomes only fun and not challenging, many will lose interest at some point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgXj2YdDKc8

amen bro !!!

Colinwhitworth69 · December 2020

BeroMan said:
Okay, I am emotionally ready to get all dislikes for this post here but still wanted to share my perspective of act 7 after doing it 100% yesterday.

The content is definitely fun most of the time but I had a feeling that I was doing Variant content rather than newest act content that historically speaking always was challenging for end-game players. This was not at all, for people that done initial act 6 100% before nerfs this act 7 is a joke difficulty wise.

I understand why most of the people could like this kind of content more, but if Kabam plans to make Act content like Variants then they have to release something else for players that prefer to be challenged like it was initial act 6.2...If the game becomes only fun and not challenging, many will lose interest at some point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgXj2YdDKc8

Why they released content that is easier and more fun than the content you have to do to get to act 7, is bizarre.

Charlie21540 · December 2020

What is the counter to this path?

If damage is done through healing to the defender and the defender also has Spectre (reverse the healing) how do you do any real damage? Do passive versions of healing work? Just not sure. Any insight would be awesome

Worknprogress · December 2020

Haji_Saab said:
A lot of subjective things have been said in the thread.

I will just comment on one objective thing. Top of top level content was easily cleared within a day of its launch by anyone in a platinum level alliance. There will always be freak who clear everything really quickly but 7.1 was cleared by very average rosters in a day and will be explored by this weekend by a lot of people. That says a lot.

Yep. Whether or not that's a good thing is subjective but as others have said it felt like basically another Variant. Even I've never fully explored a new story chapter within 24hrs of it dropping until this one and it was done with basically zero prep/scouting/planning.

We'll all get used to it at some point. Legend runs are gonna be insanely tight windows going forward I have a feeling though

BigManOnCampus · December 2020

BeroMan said:

Kill_Grey said:
Not everybody has teams and alternate teams of rank 3 6*s like you probably do.
That's true. That's why I am saying that there must be some content where even best rosters will be challenged, otherwise, it would feel like we finished this game and it's time to retire.

I agree , it wont be no point in getting higher rank champs ie 6* R4... R3's are overkill ..

H3t3r · December 2020

Charlie21540 said:
What is the counter to this path?

If damage is done through healing to the defender and the defender also has Spectre (reverse the healing) how do you do any real damage? Do passive versions of healing work? Just not sure. Any insight would be awesome

Just wait for spectre to go on cooldown.

Skkc · December 2020

Completion should be easy. Exploration should be lot more challenging

Player1994 · December 2020

mate i get you but it's 7.1 chapter 1 is always easy anyway
the previous act ( i did it in nightmare mode ) was abused tough

the attk rating do interact badly with most of the nodes in a crazy way now this is not the case if you use ghost/quake but that's not actual gameplay

problem is that health pools/ attk should always keep in line with attakers means there should be some max point they don't pass

let's say for a content designed for R3 6* Which attk is in 3000-3500 range defenders should not go over 5x the attk since the attacker healthpool is a joke when it comes to attack a 20k attk defender will smack you up by blocking

Mesurements should be kept

parry should not exceed 1% of your health at all times
cowardly damages like limbos ... should be kept at the original attk value

Anyway i think they should start designing questes for big rosters rather than one or two champions and as long as they are going i think its fine

also i reckon the bad compensation for the act6 i won't even bother approaching another content like the way i did and i'm a very hardcore player

Act 7 critical assessment after doing it 100%.

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